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"False Armageddon"

Discussion in 'Eschatology & Prophecy Forum' started by Christina, Feb 28, 2007.

  1. Christina

    Christina New Member

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    The abomination of desolation takes place 1260 days AFTER the treaty of Daniel 9:27 is signed. 1260 days after Passover is Tabernacles, another typologically significant Feast of Israel. The Feast of Tabernacles alludes to another significant prophetic event, Because the treaty of Daniel 9:27 occurs on the eve of Passover "of some year", our studies conclude that a "False Armageddon" scenario will occur JUST BEFORE this treaty, perhaps around Purim. Interestingly enough, this Feast of Israel does occur just before Passover, and the typology seems appropriate for the timing of the Gog/Magog scenario of Ezekiel -- which will SEEM like Armageddon. Haman has been viewed as a "type" of antichrist, and the prophecy of Ezekiel specifically calls the defeated forces of Gog/Magog "Haman - Gog". Some groups among religious Jews believe that the messiah himself will miraculously come and build a new temple in Jerusalem. However, the Bible points out that men will build the temple, and messiah will come soon after. Adherents to the former view are vulnerable to the lies of a false messiah. When the Antichrist makes possible the miraculous restoration of sacrifice on the temple mount, many in Israel, and the world, will view this as evidence that he is the long awaited messiah. Without faith in Jesus, many will be blinded to the facts and timing of prophecy. When considering the identity of the antichrist, keep in mind he must be acceptable to Israel Antichrist Will SEEM Like the Messiah to Israel The Coming of Antichrist Will be a Counterfeit Fulfillment of ProphecyAnother scenario might see the Gog Magog War occur just prior to antichrist's treaty, with Ezekiel 's Gog prophecy being fulfilled, and the Arab enemies of Israel no longer an obstacle. ......................................................................................................I found the above rather interesting considering we have Purim coming upin a few days March 3/4 at the same time as a full Lunar eclipse where the moon will appear blood red in Israel. If their scenerio is right and this is the year we should see a war break out sometime shortly after Purim.We shall soon see what happens. God is in control.
     
  2. betchevy

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    I'd say your eyes are wide open..... Watcher....Thanks for the great post Kriss I hope we all will be ready and not panic should these things come to pass... It will only mean a few more days on this earth weighed down by these fleshly bodies. It will mean the true coming of Messiah is not far behind the false...I am like a child waiting for my Beloved , there may be trouble all around me but He has prepared me in my mind and physically with the Truth of His Word. If it is not this year than I pray it will be the next for this world is nothing to me....only a place I wait in for my Beloved to take me away from.... Halleighluyah !!!!!
     
  3. Christina

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    Just a note of interest here on March 19,2007 there will be a eclipse of the Sun. So what we have here is a Lunar eclipse (on Purim) and a solar eclipse in the same month. The sun darkening and the moon turning to blood? Will a earthquake happen?As far as a war starting soon it is of interest that on the day of the Solar eclipse (March 26/nissan7) it is the anniversary of Joshua sending out spies to Jericho: Thirty days after the passing of Moses on Adar 7, Joshua dispatched two scouts-- Caleb and Pinchas--across the Jordan River to Jericho, to gather intelligence in preparation of the Israelites' battle with the first city in their conquest of the Holy Land. In Jericho, they were assisted and hidden by Rahab.Does this mean anything maybe, maybe not but we are to watch for the signs.
     
  4. servant_of_the_end

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    Kriss,You are correct in calculating the falsness of the Tyrant. Anitchirst means psuedo christ. The man of sin will appear as christ and will reinterpret the scriptures with great deception so as to deceive those who look for the pre-tribulation rapture as the signal for the rise of the one they call the Antichrist. This is all part of the strong delusion, but there is more. The Beast that rises from the Abyss will wield great power over mankind during the time of the man who would be king, the prophet who calls the confused and the beast and his burden in the time of sorrow and wrath, because these great and mighty fallen creatures will cause the world to be amazed and astonished at what they do with their power and with their very appearance. They will be shown to have been the power that the Harlot rode throughout history. This is the false Bride, the assembly of the apostate believers. But the Harlot is more than just a liturgous entity of apostates. It is the human and spiritual appliance of Satan and the body of govenors who have ruled in both the material and spirituals realms since the fall of man. I have for some time believed this rising to be the rise of the sons of God, the agents of Lucifer who captained the rebellion and who are the Nephilim as we know them. It will be a time of strong delusion and apostasy. But those of us who know will also tell others of this endgame sting, right now and during the tribulation.
     
  5. kendal

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    You are interpreting Daniel 9:27 as the antichrist. This prophecy is Jesus.70 weeks - 490 years you cannot take one year off a time prophecy.Summary...490 years declared on the Jews.Written decree by Artaxerxes in 457 BC (Ezra 7 i believe) declaring restoration of Israel483 years later (69 weeks) Jesus is baptised in 27 AD3.5 years later Jesus is crucified in 31 AD; causing the sacrifice and oblation to cease (rending the veil in 2, and nailing the ceremonial law to the cross)3.5 years after this, the gospel is still only being preached to Jews (Acts 1-7) untill Stephen is stoned (34 AD). The nation rejected the covenant which was being confirmed by Jesus and his disciples, the Gospel went to the Gentiles in chapter 8, 34 AD.You are listening to a Jesuit doctrine. type 70 weeks in google and study study study for yourself. check history, check dates. This is the foundation of the 7 year trib theory, which does not exist. You cannot get 7 year trib from the Bible, neither can you get a rapture, secret or not before the 2nd coming.[​IMG]
     
  6. Christina

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    Kendalwhat are you replying to you have completly lost me
     
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    Yeah....like Kendal, what are you saying ...Antichrist isn't going to come to earth? or what? You don't believe in rapture....I think we agree on that..... but what are you saying?
     
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    i was replyign to the information you put in your post, using Daniel 9:27 for the antichrist and not Jesus.I believe in a rapture, but it will only happen when Jesus comes the second time. The antichrist is not a person, although there will be a false messiah, claiming to be Jesus etc.God bless
     
  9. Christina

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    Yes we will all be changed at the 7th trump at the end of this age when Christ returns I think we agree here.but I'm not sure where you get the rest.Anti christ is a person the hebrew here means "instead of" christ the false messiah claming to be Christ is the anti christ(instead of Christ)the anti christ. Only a being can declare himself God which is what the anti-christ(satan)will do.
     
  10. servant_of_the_end

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    (kendal;7843)
    i was replyign to the information you put in your post, using Daniel 9:27 for the antichrist and not Jesus.I believe in a rapture, but it will only happen when Jesus comes the second time. The antichrist is not a person, although there will be a false messiah, claiming to be Jesus etc.God bless
    I agree with kendall. The antichrist is not a person in the sense where this was spoken of by John. Now the man of sin and the son of perdition is another matter altogether and can be identified as this false messiah, or as I label him pseudo-christ. This man will appear to all who become confused under the strong delusion as christ. He will deceive all who are looking for the other man they know as the Antichrist and will with his prophet deceive the world. But not the elect or those who listen to the servants when the time comes for us to rise to our final duty as servants.
     
  11. Christina

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    Servant you know I love ya dearly but the Man of pertition,the man of sin is Satan. Satan has a sidekick called the false prophet w/him propbaly the one world religious leader it's possiable you two are confusing the False prophet with the False messiah(Satan).There have been many TYPES of antichrists in the world,Nebucaneezer is one type. Son of perdition “3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.” 2 Thessalonians 2:3,4Names of SatanThe Bible calls Satan by many different names. Each name has a slightly different meaning. The many other names for Satan give a fuller picture of who Satan is and what he does. There are more names for Satan in the Bible than for anyone else except Jesus Christ.AbaddonHebrew name for Satan meaning “Destruction”. “And they had as king over them the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, but in Greek he has the name Apollyon.” Revelation 9:11 Accuser“Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, ‘Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down.’” Revelation 12:10Adversary“Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.” 1 Peter 5:8Angel of light“And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light.” 2 Corinthians 11:14Angel of the bottomless pit“And they had as king over them the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, but in Greek he has the name Apollyon.” Revelation 9:11 Antichrist“And every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.” 1 John 4:3 ApollyonGreek name for Satan meaning “Destroyer”. “And they had as king over them the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, but in Greek he has the name Apollyon.” Revelation 9:11 Beast“9 Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, ‘If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.’” Revelation 14:9,10 Who is the beast?Beelzebub“Now when the Pharisees heard it they said, ‘This fellow does not cast out demons except by Beelzebub, the ruler of the demons.’” Matthew 12:24Belial“And what accord has Christ with Belial? Or what part has a believer with an unbeliever?” 2 Corinthians 6:15Deceiver “So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.” Revelation 12:9 Ruler of this world “31 Now is the judgment of this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out. 32 And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all peoples to Myself.” John 12:31,32Satan “And He was there in the wilderness forty days, tempted by Satan, and was with the wild beasts; and the angels ministered to Him.” Mark 1:13 Serpent of old “So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.” Revelation 12:9 Tempter “Now when the tempter came to Him, he said, ‘If You are the Son of God, command that these stones become bread.’” Matthew 4:3 This list of names for Satan has been taken from the New King James Version of the Bible.There are other names for Satan in the Bible. Very soon Satan will leave the spirit world that he has lived in for thousands of years. He will become visible to us and will claim that he is God.
     
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    Well there are many antichrists, but "the antichrist" is a different story.Even in John's day there were antichrists among them,God bless!!
     
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    Quote:Originally Posted by kendal {quote}I believe in a rapture, but it will only happen when Jesus comes the second time. The antichrist is not a person, although there will be a false messiah, claiming to be Jesus etc.{quote}(servant_of_the_end;7847)
    I agree with kendall. The antichrist is not a person in the sense where this was spoken of by John. Now the man of sin and the son of perdition is another matter altogether and can be identified as this false messiah, or as I label him pseudo-christ. This man will appear to all who become confused under the strong delusion as christ. He will deceive all who are looking for the other man they know as the Antichrist and will with his prophet deceive the world. But not the elect or those who listen to the servants when the time comes for us to rise to our final duty as servants.
    I don't understand what either one of you are talking of a false messiah that isn't antichrist ? Antichrist not a person? who do you guys think the false messiah is if not Antichrist ? there is only one false messiah one who claims to be christ and that is Satan himself.That man of sin,the Son of perdition
     
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    The son of perdition Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them. And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down it. (Job 1:6-7) And so it was with Satan to roam the earth, till Christ was led to the wilderness to be tempted by Satan in the book of Matthew chapter 4. Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. (Matthew 4:10) This is when Satan left and was bound in heaven till this day, and will remain till his return as Anti-Christ. But, his spirit still roams the earth at the present time. So what are some of the titles of Satan, and what is the fate of his future? We can start back in the Old Testament book of Ezekiel, when the Lord came to him and said: Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord God; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God. (Ezekiel 28:2) This prince of Tyrus is a type to describe Satan. The Lord would go on to explain: Therefore thus saith the Lord God; Because thou hast set thine heart as the heart of God; Behold, therefore I will bring strangers upon thee, the terrible of the nations: and they shall draw their swords against the beauty of thy wisdom, and they shall defile thy brightness. They shall bring thee down to the pit, and thou shalt die the deaths of them that are slain in the midst of the seas. (Ezekiel 28:6-8) Satan has his sentence already, and his sentence is death. Satan is the only one sentenced to death at this time because of his disobedience to God in the first earth age, when he drew one third of the angels with him causing God to destroy that first dispensation or the first earth age. Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. (II Peter 3:5-6) Reference: (Three Earth Ages) While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled. (John 17:12) We all have a chance, even the fallen angels, but Satan is lost, for he is the son of perdition. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. (II Thessalonians 2:3-4) There is a great falling away from the church at this time, as people still search for the truth instead of tradition. An soon Satan will appear as anti-Christ for a short time when Michael and his angels boots him out of heaven and down to earth. And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, and prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast with him. (Revelation 12:7-9) Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and of the sea! For the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. (Revelation 12:12) When Satan and his band of angels arrive in person, their time is short and their wrath will be great to those without the seal of God. That great old serpent the dragon, called Satan the son of perdition deceiver of the world whose spirit roams from city to city and country to country will have his short time again down on earth. Then his total destruction will follow. He was alive but isn't now. And yet, soon he will come up out of the bottomless pit and go to eternal destruction; and the people of earth, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life before the world began, will be dumbfounded at his reappearance after being dead. (Revelation 17:8) This is after Satan has been bound in chains for 1,000 years in the bottomless pit, the millennium period, then he is released for a short time. (Reference: Revelation 20:1-6) When the thousand years end, Satan will be let out of his prison. (Revelation 20:7) He will make war with God's people and will deceive even more, but God will intervene and Satan will not prevail. And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (Revelation 20:10) So what ever name you may know him by: Satan, Lucifer, The Serpent, The Dragon or the Devil. He is all the same and is the Son of Perdition, the only one to perish or sentenced to death at this time. So, do not fear Satan but revere the Lord. Christ would best explain in the book of Matthew: Fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. (Matthew 10:28)http://www.goodnewsministry.com/topics/perdition.htm
     
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    Satan is not bound in heaven. He is very much on earth. Look at the music which be-littles mankind, look at the filth all over the world, the Dragon in Revelation 12 is Rome. It is basically the 4th beast of Daniel 7. Satan and Rome are described as the same person, just like in Ezekiel 28 he is described as the prince of Tyre. Fallen angels don't have a second chance, they are lost. eternally. they have together caused billions of people to be forever lost, they cannot be saved.There is no 7 year tribulation, Satan is amongst us now, along with atleast 50 million of his angels. (maybe even billions). This is a Jesuit doctrine, a doctrine used to prevent people from pointing to the church of Rome as antichrist.God bless!
     
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    Sorry to disagree, but it states in Rev. 12:7, 8,9 that Michael throws Satan and his angels out of HEAVEN. This is the beginning of the end of days and the end of Satan... he fights against Michael because he knows this means his end...Satan has been in heaven accusing the saints since the time of Jesus as stated in Rev. 12:10 at the time when Christ defeated him on the earth and gained the keys to death and hell. Satan could not longer roam here at will in his physical form. but is still in the place Christ commanded him to be behind Him.. When Satan is thrown out the Word states there will be quiet for a period of time. Thats because his big ol loud mouth will down here telling lies...Satan has a spirit just like the rest of us and as God's spirit is here on earth to influence help heal and advise us. The spirit of Satan is allowed to roam the earth, inhablit, inflict and confuse those who will allow him to do so. He has increased his spirit here in the last days as has the Holy Spirit been poured out in greater amounts to those who are filled. In the very last days the Holy Spirit will again be increased as Satan in here in person and in his spiritual body.
     
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    Kendall please start a new thread about this last post.... I am interested to hear more about it and would like for you to give us some biblical references regarding these statement of 50 million of his angels...I really would like to discuss this in the appropriate place...
     
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    Very interesting thread, Satan is definately the son of perdition, who set up the rebellion or beast that makes the abomination of desolation could the antichrist have been Gnostics perhaps, maybe Satan had them killed too.
     
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    I don't understand all this antichrist not antichrist. The son of perdition is the antichrist, as in false christ. there were in the days of David people having the spirit of Christ. today there are a few who are in Christ. They are not the Christ though. There were in the days of David people who were not of the spirit of Christ, they are antichrist. Any one who is not of Christ is antichrist, but there is a son of perdition coming who is not of Christ. Would you call him antichrist, of course you would. as a matter of fact he will be the ultimate anti-Christ. the most anti-Christian of all. Why would anyone object to calling him the antichrist. 1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. Seems perfectly right to say there is an antichrist coming, and that there are many antichristians throughout history. That doesn't mean there can't be one son who will outshine them all. If i call him the antichrist you should know who im talking about. Why all the fuss.
     
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