Father Nature

[soul man]

and I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. - Genesis 3:15.

Jesus the Christ took on himself the likeness of a human being. Jesus never experienced sin as we do (by a nature). He did not have a sin nature as humanity when they were born into the world. Sin was all around him, and he knew when he came into the world he was coming to save the world from the 'sin of the world' (kill out the sin nature by dieing on a cross). The cup Jesus drank from had in it the 'sin of the world' - which is the sinning nature of the original sinner that entered into the world by one man..Adam, Roman's 5:11. The world was in condemnation (by the sin death nature). The father of Jesus is God, but Jesus in the likeness of man dwelled among men and their sin.

What makes Jesus sinless: was it because he was never mean, never told a lie, didnt cuss, and kept all Jewish traditions. Those things are true - but what makes Jesus sinless is; his father is God. He has the nature of his father (Gen. 3:15). I understand that may sound like the beating of a drum, because we mention it often. But what helps the believer in the understanding of scripture is; to see everything comes from a nature. Humanity lives by a nature - you dont live in sin because you are evil, you do what you do by nature. Sin was derived by man doing evil, evil acted on is sin.

We can express evil (as we see in the world on a daily basis), but that is just an expression of the sin nature.

Simplest way to say it is; human beings have a nature, and live by nature - but that nature comes from another. You cannot find nature derived out of humanity in the scriptures - nature came from another. When you start to put scripture together somewhat - you can see the life we lived was by the life..nature..spirit..seed..of another. As it is today for the born again..they have the nature of their father,

4 whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. - 2 Peter 1:4.

Read scripture close and you see there is only two people directly addressed in scripture. The first Adam - and the last Adam! Human beings are in one or the other. You are in Adam - or in Christ. No other to be in. There is no third party to derive nature from. We partook of the sinning nature but it is not derived out of a human being ..it comes from Lucifer the first and original rebellious sinner,

He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. - 1 John 3:8.

If you go to genesis 3:15, you can see everything is in the seed (nature). So look close and you see what! yes two people, or two seeds only that is going to impact the world. Satan seed - and the seed of God which is in Christ! Genesis 3:15.

The seed of a woman is; Jesus birthed by the Mary. You have a body (natural birth), and Christ (the seed of God) in that body Mary carried. Seeing the two natures in scripture - as well as the birthing (everything comes out of a birth) will open up much of the scriptures to believers. The word we use for these verses, as well as a few others is; keystone. They are 'keystone' to the believer's understanding - which means; the proper understanding of those scriptures are imperative to a believers growth in scripture! Reason being - Central principal on which all else depends! They are ground floor to knowing scripture. Christianity 101 we can call it.

Now the question always comes up "why dont we live the Christ in us like we should if he is our life and nature." First thing is; we don't know it (soul/mind) - and second thing is; we are still growing in soul/mind. Learning Christ who is our life. We can see by the scripture that if something is to be lived - it first must be known.

 

[farouk]

and I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. - Genesis 3:15.

Jesus the Christ took on himself the likeness of a human being. Jesus never experienced sin as we do (by a nature). He did not have a sin nature as humanity when they were born into the world. Sin was all around him, and he knew when he came into the world he was coming to save the world from the 'sin of the world' (kill out the sin nature by dieing on a cross). The cup Jesus drank from had in it the 'sin of the world' - which is the sinning nature of the original sinner that entered into the world by one man..Adam, Roman's 5:11. The world was in condemnation (by the sin death nature). The father of Jesus is God, but Jesus in the likeness of man dwelled among men and their sin.

What makes Jesus sinless: was it because he was never mean, never told a lie, didnt cuss, and kept all Jewish traditions. Those things are true - but what makes Jesus sinless is; his father is God. He has the nature of his father (Gen. 3:15). I understand that may sound like the beating of a drum, because we mention it often. But what helps the believer in the understanding of scripture is; to see everything comes from a nature. Humanity lives by a nature - you dont live in sin because you are evil, you do what you do by nature. Sin was derived by man doing evil, evil acted on is sin.

We can express evil (as we see in the world on a daily basis), but that is just an expression of the sin nature.

Simplest way to say it is; human beings have a nature, and live by nature - but that nature comes from another. You cannot find nature derived out of humanity in the scriptures - nature came from another. When you start to put scripture together somewhat - you can see the life we lived was by the life..nature..spirit..seed..of another. As it is today for the born again..they have the nature of their father,

4 whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. - 2 Peter 1:4.

Read scripture close and you see there is only two people directly addressed in scripture. The first Adam - and the last Adam! Human beings are in one or the other. You are in Adam - or in Christ. No other to be in. There is no third party to derive nature from. We partook of the sinning nature but it is not derived out of a human being ..it comes from Lucifer the first and original rebellious sinner,

He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. - 1 John 3:8.

If you go to genesis 3:15, you can see everything is in the seed (nature). So look close and you see what! yes two people, or two seeds only that is going to impact the world. Satan seed - and the seed of God which is in Christ! Genesis 3:15.

The seed of a woman is; Jesus birthed by the Mary. You have a body (natural birth), and Christ (the seed of God) in that body Mary carried. Seeing the two natures in scripture - as well as the birthing (everything comes out of a birth) will open up much of the scriptures to believers. The word we use for these verses, as well as a few others is; keystone. They are 'keystone' to the believer's understanding - which means; the proper understanding of those scriptures are imperative to a believers growth in scripture! Reason being - Central principal on which all else depends! They are ground floor to knowing scripture. Christianity 101 we can call it.

Now the question always comes up "why dont we live the Christ in us like we should if he is our life and nature." First thing is; we don't know it (soul/mind) - and second thing is; we are still growing in soul/mind. Learning Christ who is our life. We can see by the scripture that if something is to be lived - it first must be known.

@soul man As per Romans 8, how one craves to be led of the Spirit Who causes us to cry, Abba, Father!

 

[soul man]

@soul man As per Romans 8, how one craves to be led of the Spirit Who causes us to cry, Abba, Father!

Amen!

And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. - Galatians 4:6.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

4 whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these you might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. - 2 Peter 1:4.

Father Nature …great topic! Which makes me think of the passage on fathers in
Hebrews 12:9 where ‘Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?’

I have never noticed a connection between the verse you shared in 2 Peter and the passage in Hebrews 12:10-11 (thank you for posting it!). A few that stand out is

1) exceedingly great and precious promises
2)that by these ‘exceedingly great and precious promises’ you might be partakers of His divine nature.
3) having escaped corruption in the world through lust. (James 1:14-17)Then when lust has conceived, it brings forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, brings forth death.

your quote in connection with the following has me asking: what are these exceedingly great and precious promises …that by them we might be partakers of the divine nature? 1) in contrast we had fathers after the flesh who corrected us after their pleasure. He (Father Nature) for our profit.
Profit sounds like (an exceedingly great and precious promise) partakers of his holiness.

2) No chastening seems joyous but grievous nevertheless afterward it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness. (Sounds also like an exceedingly great and precious promise), just as: would you much rather be in subjection to The Father of spirits and “Live”?

• Reference: For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness. [11] Now no chastening for the present seems to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.

 

[Jay Ross]

Moved from Father Nature 2 to this thread as it seems to be the same topic being discussed. Why Soulman insists on starting multiply threads is difficult to understand.

QUOTE="soul man, post: 1194247, member: 7727"]And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are. - John 17:11.

Jesus one in nature with His Father!
So what is it that we see in scripture about the Father's nature that is in you by Christ? In 'thine own name' is the nature of the Father. What is it about a Christian that God can rely on, or depend on? His nature! We should take a long look at scripture if the believer feels God is depending on them to do a certain thing. God trusts his nature in us to work out of us. To come to the forefront if you will. If he was going to rely on the life and nature of humanity He would not have crucified His only Son. So what it means to be a Father is to trust your own nature . . the seed in you.

Religion is funny - they can preach all we are by the cross and what Jesus did and who he is - and then they tell you go out and live it, straighten up. It is complete they say but you must do something to make it work. Funny folks! I say if you could have done something - God would not have killed his son. We love the Old Testament but don't believe it - men in themselves cannot give God what he wants, but we kill ourselves trying to do something and please God. Read the OT if you are still felling good about yourself.

-- In the nature of God; you see God is a father. The fatherhood of God is seen in Jesus Christ, the Son of God born into the world. We did not know God was a father until we witnessed He had a Son. He has always been father but he could not be a father to anyone in the Old Testament because He had no birthed (born again) children in the Old Testament to be father to. So we never get to see God as father until Jesus is born into the world. In the Old Testament we see exactly how God see's sin. In the New Testament we see exactly how he would destroy that sin. Crucifying the nature - sin was destroyed once and for all.

-- In the nature of God is; The fruit of the Spirit. The nature of God in you is the fruit of the Spirit. This is the life that is in every believer. The fruit of the Spirit is an attribute of who Jesus Christ is in you. The character and personality of Christ in you is; the fruit of the Spirit. Who He is!
Such as; he is your peace, your joy. your hope, he does not give you peace - he is all of these things to you.

In the nature of God is; the rest. The rest is the person of Christ in you the hope of glory!

14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. - Romans 8:14-15.

It is by the Spirit confirmation; a birth has taken place. You are who you are by a birth - and in that birth a son was born. Just like Jesus was a Son, or was the Son of God. The Holy Spirit confirms to the believers "they are son's by a birth." It is in the nature of the Father for his children to know him as Father. He is a good Father, what is meant by that? He knows how to be a father to you. All your temptation, all the worse you can do, falling short of his glory (plan and purpose for you), he still knows how to be father to you. The rest is "Christ in you," by a birthing - and by that birthing is the rest. You do not work up the rest! You see you are who you are by that new birth, the nature of the father in you. Father nature.

It is in the Father's nature - that is what you see in growing maturing saint's. You see more and more of the father's nature (Christ in you) expressed. You grow in the grace and knowledge of the father's nature in you. After all that is Christian expression. Expressing who they are (they are who they are - by a nature, a birth). This is not something you work on and get better at - it is who you are! You learn who you are. That sounds like a cliché we have heard it so many times, believers can know the nature of the father - by Christ in them.[/QUOTE]

 

[soul man]

Moved from Father Nature 2 to this thread as it seems to be the same topic being discussed. Why Soulman insists on starting multiply threads is difficult to understand.

QUOTE="soul man, post: 1194247, member: 7727"]And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are. - John 17:11.

Jesus one in nature with His Father!
So what is it that we see in scripture about the Father's nature that is in you by Christ? In 'thine own name' is the nature of the Father. What is it about a Christian that God can rely on, or depend on? His nature! We should take a long look at scripture if the believer feels God is depending on them to do a certain thing. God trusts his nature in us to work out of us. To come to the forefront if you will. If he was going to rely on the life and nature of humanity He would not have crucified His only Son. So what it means to be a Father is to trust your own nature . . the seed in you.

Religion is funny - they can preach all we are by the cross and what Jesus did and who he is - and then they tell you go out and live it, straighten up. It is complete they say but you must do something to make it work. Funny folks! I say if you could have done something - God would not have killed his son. We love the Old Testament but don't believe it - men in themselves cannot give God what he wants, but we kill ourselves trying to do something and please God. Read the OT if you are still felling good about yourself.

-- In the nature of God; you see God is a father. The fatherhood of God is seen in Jesus Christ, the Son of God born into the world. We did not know God was a father until we witnessed He had a Son. He has always been father but he could not be a father to anyone in the Old Testament because He had no birthed (born again) children in the Old Testament to be father to. So we never get to see God as father until Jesus is born into the world. In the Old Testament we see exactly how God see's sin. In the New Testament we see exactly how he would destroy that sin. Crucifying the nature - sin was destroyed once and for all.

-- In the nature of God is; The fruit of the Spirit. The nature of God in you is the fruit of the Spirit. This is the life that is in every believer. The fruit of the Spirit is an attribute of who Jesus Christ is in you. The character and personality of Christ in you is; the fruit of the Spirit. Who He is!
Such as; he is your peace, your joy. your hope, he does not give you peace - he is all of these things to you.

In the nature of God is; the rest. The rest is the person of Christ in you the hope of glory!

14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. - Romans 8:14-15.

It is by the Spirit confirmation; a birth has taken place. You are who you are by a birth - and in that birth a son was born. Just like Jesus was a Son, or was the Son of God. The Holy Spirit confirms to the believers "they are son's by a birth." It is in the nature of the Father for his children to know him as Father. He is a good Father, what is meant by that? He knows how to be a father to you. All your temptation, all the worse you can do, falling short of his glory (plan and purpose for you), he still knows how to be father to you. The rest is "Christ in you," by a birthing - and by that birthing is the rest. You do not work up the rest! You see you are who you are by that new birth, the nature of the father in you. Father nature.

It is in the Father's nature - that is what you see in growing maturing saint's. You see more and more of the father's nature (Christ in you) expressed. You grow in the grace and knowledge of the father's nature in you. After all that is Christian expression. Expressing who they are (they are who they are - by a nature, a birth). This is not something you work on and get better at - it is who you are! You learn who you are. That sounds like a cliché we have heard it so many times, believers can know the nature of the father - by Christ in them.

[/QUOTE]

It is a title name..I don't really pay attention to what all the titles have been posted. Probably should but it is a title.. not click bait. I'm more interested in content.. which in imo wains more in content because of the lack of time you can spend writing and putting something together just about every day. I post all over the world, in various out-lets and really don't spend the amount of time on an article I would like to. And I'm not a writer, punctuation is horrendous so titles nah I get them off at times.

I'm trying to start a blog on here..not having much luck on my tech skills!

 

[VictoryinJesus]

@soul man you wrote ‘It is a title name..I don't really pay attention to what all the titles have been posted. Probably should but it is a title.. not click bait. You write ‘I'm more interested in content.. which in imo wains more in content because of the lack of time you can spend writing and putting something together just about every day. I post all over the world, in various out-lets and really don't spend the amount of time on an article I would like to. And I'm not a writer, punctuation is horrendous so titles nah I get them off at times.

I'm trying to start a blog on here..not having much luck on my tech skills!’

I’m horrible at punctuation also. All grammar is a challenge for me. I don’t think i took it seriously enough in school. I started a blog here. I would study in word-pad and then copy and paste it to a new blog post. That made it easy for me since if you write in the post; you can loose it and it won’t be saved. One thing I noticed is you can’t make anything bold that you want accentuated. Unless I’ve missed how to do it. At one point I knew how to add photos to the blog post but now I have forgotten how. I hope you have success in starting a blog! Happy Holidays!

by the way I have a new job now which requires a lot of computer work …and I found I really struggle with it!

 

[soul man]

@soul man you wrote ‘It is a title name..I don't really pay attention to what all the titles have been posted. Probably should but it is a title.. not click bait. You write ‘I'm more interested in content.. which in imo wains more in content because of the lack of time you can spend writing and putting something together just about every day. I post all over the world, in various out-lets and really don't spend the amount of time on an article I would like to. And I'm not a writer, punctuation is horrendous so titles nah I get them off at times.

I'm trying to start a blog on here..not having much luck on my tech skills!’

I’m horrible at punctuation also. All grammar is a challenge for me. I don’t think i took it seriously enough in school. I started a blog here. I would study in word-pad and then copy and paste it to a new blog post. That made it easy for me since if you write in the post; you can loose it and it won’t be saved. One thing I noticed is you can’t make anything bold that you want accentuated. Unless I’ve missed how to do it. At one point I knew how to add photos to the blog post but now I have forgotten how. I hope you have success in starting a blog! Happy Holidays!

by the way I have a new job now which requires a lot of computer work …and I found I really struggle with it!

Thank you that will be helpful. Yes punctuation..when I first started online posting. I didn't really think it was necessary, until the school teachers started rebuking me. It must pass the test because I don't get as much feedback on my punctuation as I once did. Hope you get the job figured out.. I'm sure you will

 

[Jay Ross]

It is a title name..I don't really pay attention to what all the titles have been posted. Probably should but it is a title.. not click bait. I'm more interested in content.. which in imo wains more in content because of the lack of time you can spend writing and putting something together just about every day. I post all over the world, in various out-lets and really don't spend the amount of time on an article I would like to. And I'm not a writer, punctuation is horrendous so titles nah I get them off at times.

I'm trying to start a blog on here..not having much luck on my tech skills!

Perhaps if you spent more time on less forums all over the world, then you would be able to follow the treads that you start without spreading them in the many threads that you start on the same topic. You are spreading yourself too thinly to be effective in following the threads that you start and paste.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Thank you that will be helpful. Yes punctuation..when I first started online posting. I didn't really think it was necessary, until the school teachers started rebuking me. It must pass the test because I don't get as much feedback on my punctuation as I once did. Hope you get the job figured out.. I'm sure you will

about the job. If you don’t mind my sharing because to me it is a testimony of His goodness. I’ve had major panic attacks and anxiety since I was a teenager. I’m 52 now. There was a time when I was housebound and a recluse. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve set in the car crying because I couldn’t go in stores to do the simplest daily task like groceries. I would pray asking Him why I’m not normal. A while back I prayed acknowledging that if I ever was in the public and working a job, there would be no doubt it is God who helped this happen. One of my worst places to go into, where I set out in the car the most was Lowes department store. My husband would want me to go in with him when he needed something for working on a house…but no matter how hard I tried I just couldn’t do it. Now I’m working at Lowes. I’ve had to drive the Bali Lift where you get in the cage and harness yourself in and the machine lifts you up to top stock, then you can drive it down the aisle while lifted up in the air. I am not that good at it…getting stuck on a corner aisle once BUT the miracle for me is that I am even in that machine when I used to be by an exit. Now they have put me in sales which requires being right in the center of the traffic and speaking to the customers; total contrast to be a recluse. So yes, I struggle with all the computers and there has been times of embarrassment of my lack of skills BUT I haven’t walked out. One reason, the biggest reason, is knowing how strange it is that I am even there and reminding myself if God helped me get to standing in the middle of all the commotion, then He will help with the rest. And even if this job fails one day or I fail…still I am beginning to see it won’t be a failure but maybe the next step in where He wants me to go. A lady came in the other day and she showed all the symptoms I once had…sweating, anxious, she kept apologizing with every breath. Gushing with apologizing for even being “so messed up”. honestly I didn’t even notice or assume what battle she was going through internally but I ended up at the check out with her. She needed help getting things to her car. While we waited at the check out she started to apologize again, explaining some of her struggles. She was a mirror image of myself and I said “me too!” She said “can I ask how you are working here? How did you get past it?” I responded “you wouldn’t believe me if I told you.” She said “I might” …so I shared with her and she started crying. I don’t mean to disrupt your thread but I have all kinds of deficiencies. One thing I have learned is God is okay with that because …He is a Helper

 

[soul man]

about the job. If you don’t mind my sharing because to me it is a testimony of His goodness. I’ve had major panic attacks and anxiety since I was a teenager. I’m 52 now. There was a time when I was housebound and a recluse. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve set in the car crying because I couldn’t go in stores to do the simplest daily task like groceries. I would pray asking Him why I’m not normal. A while back I prayed acknowledging that if I ever was in the public and working a job, there would be no doubt it is God who helped this happen. One of my worst places to go into, where I set out in the car the most was Lowes department store. My husband would want me to go in with him when he needed something for working on a house…but no matter how hard I tried I just couldn’t do it. Now I’m working at Lowes. I’ve had to drive the Bali Lift where you get in the cage and harness yourself in and the machine lifts you up to top stock, then you can drive it down the aisle while lifted up in the air. I am not that good at it…getting stuck on a corner aisle once BUT the miracle for me is that I am even in that machine when I used to be by an exit. Now they have put me in sales which requires being right in the center of the traffic and speaking to the customers; total contrast to be a recluse. So yes, I struggle with all the computers and there has been times of embarrassment of my lack of skills BUT I haven’t walked out. One reason, the biggest reason, is knowing how strange it is that I am even there and reminding myself if God helped me get to standing in the middle of all the commotion, then He will help with the rest. And even if this job fails one day or I fail…still I am beginning to see it won’t be a failure but maybe the next step in where He wants me to go. A lady came in the other day and she showed all the symptoms I once had…sweating, anxious, she kept apologizing with every breath. Gushing with apologizing for even being “so messed up”. honestly I didn’t even notice or assume what battle she was going through internally but I ended up at the check out with her. She needed help getting things to her car. While we waited at the check out she started to apologize again, explaining some of her struggles. She was a mirror image of myself and I said “me too!” She said “can I ask how you are working here? How did you get past it?” I responded “you wouldn’t believe me if I told you.” She said “I might” …so I shared with her and she started crying. I don’t mean to disrupt your thread but I have all kinds of deficiencies. One thing I have learned is God is okay with that because …He is a Helper

No please do share. I could feel your emotion in your testamony. I never struggled with that type of thing. I have seen it first hand and my heart goes out to those that struggle with anxiety and other deficiencies. I knew a sister that could not be touched by anything including the water from a shower. Amazing how you were there for the lady that was suffering the same thing, and you probably knew more about what she was going through than her. And giving a witness for how you were helped. I don't understand what we think about life, and christian living. But life has to do with everyday living and experience. A word of knowledge can come from someone's everyday living and learning. The wisdom of God is experienced! We can share that wisdom. When I write, I try to keep it light hearted so people can feel comfortable to talk about their experience's.

I'll make myself vulnerable online, as well as in person to open up conversation. I don't know if there is a place on here that people could write about those deep experiences, but it would be a good room to have people open up and be vulnerable. You may have to turn the other cheek at times because of the online insults, but for the most part I think it could be a blessing. The world is real, the struggle, these bodies, emotions, and people go through hell in this world. Emotions are always the biggest of what we go through!

When you are in it - it doesn't matter if it is God - the devil - or chemical imbalance. The suffering is real! That is what matters.

 

[charity]

Hello @soul man,

I agree that acknowledging the presence of the two natures in the child of God is vital to our spiritual well-being and our peace of mind.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[charity]

Thank you, @VictoryinJesus,

For sharing your experience with us. What a testament to God's mercy and grace, and His great love for us.

With love in Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Bob Estey]

and I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. - Genesis 3:15.

Jesus the Christ took on himself the likeness of a human being. Jesus never experienced sin as we do (by a nature). He did not have a sin nature as humanity when they were born into the world. Sin was all around him, and he knew when he came into the world he was coming to save the world from the 'sin of the world' (kill out the sin nature by dieing on a cross). The cup Jesus drank from had in it the 'sin of the world' - which is the sinning nature of the original sinner that entered into the world by one man..Adam, Roman's 5:11. The world was in condemnation (by the sin death nature). The father of Jesus is God, but Jesus in the likeness of man dwelled among men and their sin.

What makes Jesus sinless: was it because he was never mean, never told a lie, didnt cuss, and kept all Jewish traditions. Those things are true - but what makes Jesus sinless is; his father is God. He has the nature of his father (Gen. 3:15). I understand that may sound like the beating of a drum, because we mention it often. But what helps the believer in the understanding of scripture is; to see everything comes from a nature. Humanity lives by a nature - you dont live in sin because you are evil, you do what you do by nature. Sin was derived by man doing evil, evil acted on is sin.

We can express evil (as we see in the world on a daily basis), but that is just an expression of the sin nature.

Simplest way to say it is; human beings have a nature, and live by nature - but that nature comes from another. You cannot find nature derived out of humanity in the scriptures - nature came from another. When you start to put scripture together somewhat - you can see the life we lived was by the life..nature..spirit..seed..of another. As it is today for the born again..they have the nature of their father,

4 whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. - 2 Peter 1:4.

Read scripture close and you see there is only two people directly addressed in scripture. The first Adam - and the last Adam! Human beings are in one or the other. You are in Adam - or in Christ. No other to be in. There is no third party to derive nature from. We partook of the sinning nature but it is not derived out of a human being ..it comes from Lucifer the first and original rebellious sinner,

He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. - 1 John 3:8.

If you go to genesis 3:15, you can see everything is in the seed (nature). So look close and you see what! yes two people, or two seeds only that is going to impact the world. Satan seed - and the seed of God which is in Christ! Genesis 3:15.

The seed of a woman is; Jesus birthed by the Mary. You have a body (natural birth), and Christ (the seed of God) in that body Mary carried. Seeing the two natures in scripture - as well as the birthing (everything comes out of a birth) will open up much of the scriptures to believers. The word we use for these verses, as well as a few others is; keystone. They are 'keystone' to the believer's understanding - which means; the proper understanding of those scriptures are imperative to a believers growth in scripture! Reason being - Central principal on which all else depends! They are ground floor to knowing scripture. Christianity 101 we can call it.

Now the question always comes up "why dont we live the Christ in us like we should if he is our life and nature." First thing is; we don't know it (soul/mind) - and second thing is; we are still growing in soul/mind. Learning Christ who is our life. We can see by the scripture that if something is to be lived - it first must be known.

Father Nature? In church today the lady leading the congregation in a hymn - she happened to be the pastor's wife - had a slip of the tongue, and instead of referring to God as "he," she referred to him as "she." I thought she was making a political statement, so I felt the need to talk to her at the end of the service. She assured me that it was just a slip of the tongue, and I'm convinced she was telling the truth.

But "Father Nature"?

 

[soul man]

Father Nature? In church today the lady leading the congregation in a hymn - she happened to be the pastor's wife - had a slip of the tongue, and instead of referring to God as "he," she referred to him as "she." I thought she was making a political statement, so I felt the need to talk to her at the end of the service. She assured me that it was just a slip of the tongue, and I'm convinced she was telling the truth.

But "Father Nature"?

Good story and funny. We all know there is neither male nor female. But scripture refered to that since for a scriptural since. We can get a since of what is being said. My opinion. Others who are better versed in the vernacular of the masculine and feminine of writing can answer better than I.

"But nature" you see anything in scripture about nature. Human nature - sin nature - father nature - Satan nature - Adam nature. We can see the seeds in nature bring forth after their own kind. We see the seeds in man - what is the drive in man?

 

[Bob Estey]

Good story and funny. We all know there is neither male nor female. But scripture refered to that since for a scriptural since. We can get a since of what is being said. My opinion. Others who are better versed in the vernacular of the masculine and feminine of writing can answer better than I.

"But nature" you see anything in scripture about nature. Human nature - sin nature - father nature - Satan nature - Adam nature. We can see the seeds in nature bring forth after their own kind. We see the seeds in man - what is the drive in man?

What is the drive in man? I've been wondering that for along time. I had an idea today - was thinking of starting a thread about it. Maybe our drive is that we need honor. So the question arises, "How do we achieve honor?"

 

[soul man]

What is the drive in man? I've been wondering that for along time. I had an idea today - was thinking of starting a thread about it. Maybe our drive is that we need honor. So the question arises, "How do we achieve honor?"

Thanks for reply. Drive may not be the best word to describe what makes up a human being, and them doing what they do - be it good or bad or whatever they do. We have a motivator.. that thing in man that pushes them to do what they do. 'Thing' another bad word for a description lol a little okie talk I guess

 

[Bob Estey]

Thanks for reply. Drive may not be the best word to describe what makes up a human being, and them doing what they do - be it good or bad or whatever they do. We have a motivator.. that thing in man that pushes them to do what they do. 'Thing' another bad word for a description lol a little okie talk I guess

I've used the word "motivator" a lot lately. What is my motivator today? Today it is living a life worthy of honor.

 

[soul man]

I've used the word "motivator" a lot lately. What is my motivator today? Today it is living a life worthy of honor.

Look at the new birth - Christ in you. A new creature of two. Christ in you! The two made one by the cross and a new birth.. born again. In spirit completed, and being completed in soul.

I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. - Galatians 2:20.

Paul said he was crucified, yet lived but it was Christ that lived in him. He had a new life, and he lived by the life that had been put in him at the new birth.

 

[Bob Estey]

Look at the new birth - Christ in you. A new creature of two. Christ in you! The two made one by the cross and a new birth.. born again. In spirit completed, and being completed in soul.

I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. - Galatians 2:20.

Paul said he was crucified, yet lived but it was Christ that lived in him. He had a new life, and he lived by the life that had been put in him at the new birth.

I try to walk with Jesus, but I've had a lot of problems with boredom in recent years.