First Resurrection / Second Death

[marks]

But there is nowhere written either "the second resurrection", or, "the first death".

I can't help but thinking of the First Man, Adam, and the Last Man, Christ, and wonder how that may relate.

Any thoughts?

Much love!

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Huh?
Your bible doesn’t say: this is the second death anywhere? Mine says: this is the second death. It also says some will: not be harmed by the second death.
And it doesn’t say: the rest of the dead did not come to life until the 1000 years were completed, this is the first resurrection?

 

[stunnedbygrace]

There might be more times but those are the ones I remember…

 

[marks]

Huh?
Your bible doesn’t say: this is the second death anywhere? Mine says: this is the second death. It also says some will: not be harmed by the second death.
And it doesn’t say: the rest of the dead did not come to life until the 1000 years were completed, this is the first resurrection?

Yes.

My thought here is, I just realized, while the Bible says, "This is the second death", there's no place that gives a corresponding "This is the first death". There is much about death, but not those words.

And in the same way, there is a place that says, This is the first resurrection, but no place that uses the corresponding words, "This is the second resurrection."

I'm thinking about the difference between the first resurrection, and the unnamed 'second resurrection', of the dead.

Maybe the first resurrection is the one that brings true life, and the second death the one that brings true death?

Making sense?

Maybe?

I was just thinking about this in reference to the first Man, and the Last Man, from 1 Corinthians 15. It seems like there is something there, I just can't seem to get ahold of it.

Much love!

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Yes.

My thought here is, I just realized, while the Bible says, "This is the second death", there's no place that gives a corresponding "This is the first death". There is much about death, but not those words.

And in the same way, there is a place that says, This is the first resurrection, but no place that uses the corresponding words, "This is the second resurrection."

I'm thinking about the difference between the first resurrection, and the unnamed 'second resurrection', of the dead.

Maybe the first resurrection is the one that brings true life, and the second death the one that brings true death?

Making sense?

Maybe?

I was just thinking about this in reference to the first Man, and the Last Man, from 1 Corinthians 15. It seems like there is something there, I just can't seem to get ahold of it.

Much love!

hmm…well, I can’t off the top of my head recall the exact words, “this is the first death,” but saying “this is the second death” necessarily means there must be a “ first death.”
If I say, “ this is my second bowl of ice cream,” would you wonder how to know if I had a first bowl…? I said it but without saying the exact words. It would be safely and logically inferred that I necessarily had to have had a first bowl if that was my second bowl. (Ya’ dope)

but as to the thought that there must be some correlation to Adam and Jesus, even though you can’t quite see it, happens to me all the time that I think some things might be a type or shadow even though I can’t quite see it. Then again, sometimes I do see it but even when I explain it, no one else can see it. Lol!

 

[marks]

It would be safely and logically inferred that I necessarily had to have had a first bowl if that was my second bowl. (Ya’ dope)

Exactly! We know there is second resurrection, and a first death.

Adam as the First Man died when he ate from the tree, and I think the correct way to understand that is "Man died", rather than "a man died". This would be why Eve didn't feel naked until Adam ate.

So it occurs to me to ask, was the death of the First Man the first death?

Much love!

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Mmm…kay.

 

[Desire Of All Nations]

The Bible does in fact, speak of a "first death" and a second resurrection:

"For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive." - 1 Cor. 15:22

"Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come." - Rom. 5:14

The first death is the physical death everybody has to experience. As for the second resurrection:

"Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books." - Rev. 20:11-13

"Also He said to me, “Prophesy to the breath, prophesy, son of man, and say to the breath, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD: “Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe on these slain, that they may live.” ’ ” So I prophesied as He commanded me, and breath came into them, and they lived, and stood upon their feet, an exceedingly great army...“Therefore prophesy and say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD: “Behold, O My people, I will open your graves and cause you to come up from your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel." - Eze. 37:9-10, 12

“Most assuredly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God; and those who hear will live...Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice“and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation."- Jhn 5:25, 28-29

"On the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried out, saying, “If anyone thirsts, let him come to Me and drink." - Jhn 7:37

 

[Davy]

But there is nowhere written either "the second resurrection", or, "the first death".

I can't help but thinking of the First Man, Adam, and the Last Man, Christ, and wonder how that may relate.

Any thoughts?

Much love!

Understanding that will only come by covering all the relevant Bible Scripture, and through prayer.

The first death should be obvious, it is the death of our flesh body.

The "second death" also should be obvious, since we are told it is the casting into the future "lake of fire" along with death and the abode of hell (Rev.20). So that is not pointing to another flesh death (1st death), but to a 2nd death, a death of the spirit with soul.

A 2nd resurrection LIKE... the 1st resurrection is implied. The mistake most make is with thinking the 2nd resurrection is the 'resurrection of damnation' for casting of the wicked into the future "lake of fire". It's not. It's a 2nd resurrection unto LIFE through Lord Jesus. How's that?

Per John 5:28-29, ALL the dead are resurrected on the day of Christ's return, those who did good to the "resurrection of life" (i.e., 1st resurrection), and those who did evil to the "resurrection of damnation" (not a 2nd, but a resurrection of the unjust that will stand in judgment throughout Christ's "thousand years" reign with His elect. These are the nations of unsaved that Jesus and His elect rule over with the "rod of iron").

At the end of the future "thousand years" of Rev.20, the Books are opened at the GWT Judgment, to see if any of the names of the unsaved that believed on Jesus during the Millennium are written in the Book of Life. Those... make up the implied... 2nd resurrection of Life. The mistake many make with this is not recognizing that the 1st resurrection implies... at least one more LIKE it, which means another resurrection of those in Christ Jesus. Apostle Paul actually covered this concept in the Greek of 1 Corinthians 15 about the difference between the 2 'types' of resurrection, one for the Just and another at the same time for the unjust. This is why Paul in Acts 24:15 said it was his hope there will be both a resurrection of the Just and of the unjust.

Christ's enemies that preach against this try to say it is a "second chance" theory, but it's not. That because many in this world will not have had their opportunity to hear with ears to hear The Gospel of Jesus Christ and be held accountable for their choice. Among these especially are the unbelieving true Jews of Apostle Paul's brethren which he said God spiritually blinded away from The Gospel, so The Gospel would go to the Gentiles (Romans 11). Zechariah 12 reveals when Jesus returns many of them will mourn for Him like a long lost son, and in Luke 23 Lord Jesus showed many of them will wish for the hills and mountains to fall upon them because of the shame they will feel at His appearance.

 

[Robert Gwin]

But there is nowhere written either "the second resurrection", or, "the first death".

I can't help but thinking of the First Man, Adam, and the Last Man, Christ, and wonder how that may relate.

Any thoughts?

Much love!

Hi Marks, the first resurrection is different than the second because of whom is resurrected. The anointed Christians who have already attained the judgment are those of the first resurrection. verse 5 pointed out how the rest of us who are not part of them come to life at the end of the thousand year reign of Christ. We have to be tested by the releasing of satan from his prison.