Flu Vaccines Snake Oil

[Lapidem]

There's a vaccine related thread going on in the Christian Forum section which unfortunately I can't contribute to. Why it's there I do not know.
However I'd like to engage on the topic.

@Jim B
Stated:

"The vaccines are effective and have been for years. They will never prevent all deaths. Your "lol" is childish."

This is in fact utter nonsense.

The prestigious and highly independent Cochrane Institute which sets the gold standard for medical testing protocols and which is used extensively by the NHS, tested Flu vaccines a few years back. This is what they found and concluded:

Vaccines to prevent influenza in healthy adults

www.cochrane.org

"Injected influenza vaccines probably have a small protective effect against influenza and ILI (moderate-certainty evidence), as 71 people would need to be vaccinated to avoid one influenza case"


Just read that again. You have to jab 71 people just to prevent 1 case of Flu. 70 people aren't going to get much benefit at all.

That IS NOT the definition of effective. That's snake oil right there.

 

[Lapidem]

The problem is much worse than the dire level of effectiveness though. Scientific evidence has poured in over the years which shows that REPEATED FLU SHOTS are detrimental to health in some cases and reduce the effectiveness of the shots even futher. Read these:

The Oxford Academic - Journal Of Infectious Diseases

Repeated Seasonal Influenza Vaccination: How Much Is Too Much of a Good Thing?

(See the Brief Report by Richards et al., on pages 273–7.)

academic.oup.com

"there is accumulating evidence suggesting that repeat seasonal vaccination may, in specific instances, result in reduced antibody responses and diminished vaccine effectiveness"

"The so-called “Canadian Problem” was one of the most notorious recent examples of a possible increase in risk of infection associated with prior vaccination. Skowronski et al [10, 11] reported that individuals who had been vaccinated in the 2008–2009 season, before the emergence of the 2009 swine flu pandemic, experienced higher rates of infection with the pandemic strain than individuals who were not vaccinated in the preceding year"

"Similar observations were reported during the 2014–2015 influenza season, where vaccine effectiveness was modestly reduced in individuals who had received the vaccine in the previous season and more substantially reduced in repeat vaccinees who had received both the current and prior season’s vaccines [12]."

"Repeat vaccination was also reported to interfere with vaccine effectiveness in a Japanese cohort during the 2016–2017 influenza season, where children immunized in the prior season were found to be more likely to develop influenza"



Repeated flu shots may blunt effectiveness

Repeated flu shots may blunt effectiveness

Universal influenza immunization programs, available in virtually every province and territory, may need to be reconsidered in light of emerging evidence that repeated flu shots may blunt the vaccine’s effectiveness in subsequent seasons. That phenomenon was seen in the Jan. 29, 2015 interim

www.cmaj.ca

Study adds more data on effects of consecutive-year flu shots

Study adds more data on effects of consecutive-year flu shots

The study yields more evidence that getting a flu shot 2 years in a row may lower effectiveness.

www.cidrap.umn.edu

Increased Risk of Noninfluenza Respiratory Virus Infections Associated With Receipt of Inactivated Influenza Vaccine

Increased Risk of Noninfluenza Respiratory Virus Infections Associated With Receipt of Inactivated Influenza Vaccine

We randomized 115 children to trivalent inactivated influenza vaccine (TIV) or placebo. Over the following 9 months, TIV recipients had an increased risk of virologically-confirmed non-influenza infections (relative risk: 4.40; 95% confidence interval: ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

"In 115 participants, those who received trivalent influenza vaccines had higher risk of acute respiratory infection associated with confirmed non-influenza respiratory virus infection (RR, 4.40; 95% CI, 1.31–14.8) compared to placebo recipients. The agents were mainly rhinoviruses and coxsackie/echoviruses; ILI episodes occurred shortly after a peak of influenza activity"

Flu shots are just big business imho. Snake oil taken by gullible people who believe the scaremongering campaigns that occur every year. Pharma, GPs and the NHS are all culpable for this nonsense and exploitation of vulnerable people.

 

[Lapidem]

Another statement by @Jim B

"Big pharma" does not run the FDA. Your comment is baseless and false nonsense.

Here's an interview with an FDA executive that suggests you are wrong:

FDA-Executive-Officer-Exposes-Close-Ties-Between-Agency-and-Pharmaceutical-Companies

FDA Executive Officer Exposes Close Ties Between Agency and Pharmaceutical Companies - Project Veritas 02.16.22

FDA Executive Officer Exposes Close Ties Between Agency and Pharmaceutical Companies - Project Veritas 02.16.22

odysee.com

Quotes from this interview:

"Basically we charge the [Pharma] industry millions of dollars in order to hire more drug reviewers and vaccine reviewers,
which will speed up the approval process they make more money"

"Like our budget's, it's like five and a half billion"

"There's almost a billion dollars a year going into FDA's budget from the people we regulate."

"The drug companies, the food companies, the vaccine companies they pay us hundreds of millions dollars a year to hire and keep the reviewers to approve their products"

@Jack

 

[Lapidem]

Source please for that 80,000 people?

The situation in the UK is that Flu deaths have been rising year on year. Here's the UK Gov ONS figures:

Deaths caused by Flu (ICD category J09)

2009 - 78
2010 - 37
2011 - 109
2012 - 76
2013 - 140
2014 - 86
2015 - 274
2016 - 313
2017 - 454

You'd think if thee Flu shots were effective that the deaths would go down not up.

Flu deaths in the USA are purposely mixed in with Pneumonia daths

2006: 56,326
2007: 52,717
2008: 56,284
2009: 53,692
2010: 50,097
2011: 53,826
2012: 50,636
2013: 56,979
2014: 55,227
2015: 57,062
2016: 51,537

Here are the links to the Vital Statistic Reports where these numbers were published:

2006 & 2007: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr59/nvsr59_08.pdf
2008 & 2009: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr61/nvsr61_07.pdf
2010: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr61/nvsr61_04.pdf (Pg 39)
2011: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr63/nvsr63_03.pdf (Pg 40)
2012 & 2011: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_10.pdf
2013 & 2014: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr65/nvsr65_05.pdf
2015: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr66/nvsr66_06.pdf
2016: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr67/nvsr67_05.pdf


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