For those who deny the Most Holy Trinity!

[theefaith]

A creed is a statement of divine and catholic (universal) faith and a form of prayer!

The Apostles Creed!

I believe in one God, the Father almighty,
creator of heaven and earth.
And in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord, who was conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary. He suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died, and was buried; he descended to hell. The third day he rose again from the dead. He ascended to heaven and is seated at the right hand of God the Father almighty. From there he will come to judge the living and the dead. I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy catholic church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and the life everlasting. Amen.

Nicene Creed!

We believe in one God, the Father almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all things visible and invisible. And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only Son of God,
begotten from the Father before all ages,
God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made; one in being with the Father. Through him all things were made. For us and for our salvation he came down from heaven; he became incarnate by the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary, and was made man. He was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate; he suffered and was buried. The third day he rose again, according to the Scriptures. He ascended to heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again with glory to judge the living and the dead. His kingdom will never end.

And we believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life. He proceeds from the Father and the Son, and with the Father and the Son is worshiped and glorified. He spoke through the prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic church. We affirm one baptism for the forgiveness of sins. We look forward to the resurrection of the dead,
and to life in the world to come. Amen.

 

[theefaith]

Athanasius Creed!

Whoever desires to be saved must above all hold to the catholic faith.

Anyone who does not keep it whole and entire will doubtless perish eternally.

Now this is the catholic faith:

That we worship one God in trinity and the trinity in unity, neither blending their persons nor dividing their essence. For the person of the Father is a distinct person, the person of the Son is another,
and that of the Holy Spirit still another.
But the divinity of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is one, their glory equal, their majesty coeternal.

What quality the Father has, the Son has, and the Holy Spirit has. The Father is uncreated, the Son is uncreated, the Holy Spirit is uncreated.

The Father is immeasurable, the Son is immeasurable, the Holy Spirit is immeasurable.

The Father is eternal, the Son is eternal,
the Holy Spirit is eternal.

And yet there are not three eternal beings; there is but one eternal being.
So too there are not three uncreated or immeasurable beings, there is but one uncreated and immeasurable being.

Similarly, the Father is almighty, the Son is almighty, the Holy Spirit is almighty. Yet there are not three almighty beings;
there is but one almighty being.

Thus the Father is God,
the Son is God,
the Holy Spirit is God.
Yet there are not three gods;
there is but one God.

Thus the Father is Lord,
the Son is Lord,
the Holy Spirit is Lord.
Yet there are not three lords;
there is but one Lord.

Just as Christian truth compels us
to confess each person individually
as both God and Lord, so catholic religion forbids us to say that there are three gods or lords.

The Father was neither made nor created nor begotten from anyone. The Son was neither made nor created; he was begotten from the Father alone. The Holy Spirit was neither made nor created nor begotten; he proceeds from the Father and the Son.

Accordingly there is one Father, not three fathers; there is one Son, not three sons;
there is one Holy Spirit, not three holy spirits.

Nothing in this trinity is before or after,
nothing is greater or smaller; in their entirety the three persons are coeternal and coequal with each other.

So in everything, as was said earlier,
we must worship their trinity in their unity and their unity in their trinity.

Anyone then who desires to be saved
should think thus about the trinity.

But it is necessary for eternal salvation
that one also believe in the incarnation
of our Lord Jesus Christ faithfully.

Now this is the true faith:

That we believe and confess
that our Lord Jesus Christ, God's Son,
is both God and human, equally.

He is God from the essence of the Father,
begotten before time; and he is human from the essence of his mother, born in time; completely God, completely human, with a rational soul and human flesh; equal to the Father as regards divinity, less than the Father as regards humanity.

Although he is God and human,
yet Christ is not two, but one.
He is one, however, not by his divinity being turned into flesh, but by God's taking humanity to himself.He is one,
certainly not by the blending of his essence, but by the unity of his person.
For just as one human is both rational soul and flesh, so too the one Christ is both God and human.

He suffered for our salvation; he descended to hell; he arose from the dead; he ascended to heaven; he is seated at the Father's right hand; from there he will come to judge the living and the dead. At his coming all people will arise bodily and give an accounting of their own deeds. Those who have done good will enter eternal life, and those who have done evil will enter eternal fire.

This is the catholic faith:
one cannot be saved without believing it firmly and faithfully.

Holy, Holy, Holy is the Lord God of hosts!

 

[jaybird]

one cannot be saved without believing it firmly and faithfully.

the bible never says this, you might as well say you cant be saved without giving us your credit card, no different.

if there was any emphisis on Christology then it is at the end of John:
John 20 30-31
30Now Jesus did many other signs in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; 31but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

no trinity mentioned.

there was no trinity until 400 years after Jesus, and it wasnt taught in churches for anothr 200 or more years, thats 600 years after Jesus. how in the world can anyone think this is from the bible when it was 600 years after Jesus. why did it take so long to form, because it was always against scripture, every time they made a change to the doctrine to make it sync to scripture it would open up a whole new can of worms.
more people were burned alive over this doctrine than any other doctrine in the history of the faith, hundreds of thousands of men, women and children being burned. there are records of 14 year old kids being burned alive over this doctrine.
if this is not the bad fruit Jesus warned us about then i dont know what is.

 

[theefaith]

the bible never says this, you might as well say you cant be saved without giving us your credit card, no different.

if there was any emphisis on Christology then it is at the end of John:
John 20 30-31
30Now Jesus did many other signs in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; 31but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

no trinity mentioned.

there was no trinity until 400 years after Jesus, and it wasnt taught in churches for anothr 200 or more years, thats 600 years after Jesus. how in the world can anyone think this is from the bible when it was 600 years after Jesus. why did it take so long to form, because it was always against scripture, every time they made a change to the doctrine to make it sync to scripture it would open up a whole new can of worms.
more people were burned alive over this doctrine than any other doctrine in the history of the faith, hundreds of thousands of men, women and children being burned. there are records of 14 year old kids being burned alive over this doctrine.
if this is not the bad fruit Jesus warned us about then i dont know what is.

the Bible does say many times
Eph 4:5 one faith
Jn 10:16 on church
Titus 2
But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine: That the aged men be sober, grave, temperate, sound in faith, in charity, in patience. The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things; ...

1. 1 Timothy 1:10
   For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sounddoctrine;
   
   your Protestant rebellion follows
   
   
2. 2 Timothy 4:3
   For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

 

[jaybird]

the Bible does say many times
Eph 4:5 one faith
Jn 10:16 on church
Titus 2
But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine: That the aged men be sober, grave, temperate, sound in faith, in charity, in patience. The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things; ...

1. 1 Timothy 1:10
   For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sounddoctrine;
   
   your Protestant rebellion follows
   
   
2. 2 Timothy 4:3
   For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

the bible says what? what do you think these passages are teaching in response to what i posted? i dont follow.

 

[theefaith]

Thee catholic and divine faith revealed by Christ to the apostles is biblical
Jude 1:3

read my post on dogma that’s a list of thee faith, or send a list of your beliefs

 

[jaybird]

Thee catholic and divine faith revealed by Christ to the apostles is biblical
Jude 1:3

read my post on dogma that’s a list of thee faith, or send a list of your beliefs

dogma is nothing more than mans opinions. your free to have any dogma you like. but when you start telling people they are not saved because they dont follow your personal opinions, thats when you cross the line, you are not the final authority.
this way of thinking is what lead to people being burned alive, people being tortured, and villages full of women and children being burned to the ground.

 

[theefaith]

dogma is nothing more than mans opinions. your free to have any dogma you like. but when you start telling people they are not saved because they dont follow your personal opinions, thats when you cross the line, you are not the final authority.
this way of thinking is what lead to people being burned alive, people being tortured, and villages full of women and children being burned to the ground.

no one is saved until death math 24:13

13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

 

[jaybird]

no one is saved until death math 24:13

13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

when you ignore people posts and reply with random passages that you know have nothing to do with anything, people will never take you serious.

 

[theefaith]

Dogma is de fide “thee faith” revealed by Christ to the apostles Jude 1:3

 

[amadeus]

@theefaith And if someone does not deny what you call the "most holy trinity" but simply cannot embrace that which he cannot see, where does that leave him? From where comes a person's faith in God?

"So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." Rom 10:17

Is there somewhere that tells us that our faith must be in a trinity?

Is not our faith to be the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen? For what does one hope? How would you know if someone else's hope was misplaced or misdirected?

 

[mjrhealth]

Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

Yes you better open your eys, its dark when your eyelids are closed. Just another promoting/ trying to justify a lie.

 

[mjrhealth]

Dogma is de fide “thee faith” revealed by Christ to the apostles Jude 1:3

Dogma is mens food that you get from a bowl on the floor. Has nothing to do with Jesus, and ewe know that as it is not Him you promote. Salvation is in Christ alone, not dogma, religion, studying, mens doctines, but in the one who is the Truth denied by so many, made the last when He should be first and above all things.

 

[theefaith]

@theefaith And if someone does not deny what you call the "most holy trinity" but simply cannot embrace that which he cannot see, where does that leave him? From where comes a person's faith in God?

"So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." Rom 10:17

Is there somewhere that tells us that our faith must be in a trinity?

Is not our faith to be the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen? For what does one hope? How would you know if someone else's hope was misplaced or misdirected?

yes but who says the word of God is limited to the 66 books in the Protestant bible?

Lk 3:2 Annas and Caiaphas being the high priests, the word of God came unto John the son of Zacharias in the wilderness.

did the Word of God come to John by the Protestant Bible?

 

[theefaith]

Dogma is mens food that you get from a bowl on the floor. Has nothing to do with Jesus, and ewe know that as it is not Him you promote. Salvation is in Christ alone, not dogma, religion, studying, mens doctines, but in the one who is the Truth denied by so many, made the last when He should be first and above all things.

does this salvation in Christ alone include baptism?

 

[amadeus]

yes but who says the word of God is limited to the 66 books in the Protestant bible?

You did not answer my question rather asking an unrelated question expecting an answer? I thought you were talking about the trinity?

Are you presuming I believe something I made no statement about one way or the other? Why would you derail your own thread?

Lk 3:2 Annas and Caiaphas being the high priests, the word of God came unto John the son of Zacharias in the wilderness.

did the Word of God come to John by the Protestant Bible?

What is the Word of God? What is a Protestant Bible? Why do you assume I believe there are 66 books in the Bible? Are you presuming that I believe the Bible is the Word of God?

 

[mjrhealth]

does this salvation in Christ alone include baptism?

Are you about to spill more catholic doctrine onto this forum.

Act_11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.

This is the only one that matters, the other has no bearing on ones salvation,

 

[mjrhealth]

yes but who says the word of God is limited to the 66 books in the Protestant bible?

Lk 3:2 Annas and Caiaphas being the high priests, the word of God came unto John the son of Zacharias in the wilderness.

did the Word of God come to John by the Protestant Bible?

Never came by yours, and the Word is limited to Christ God and the Holy Spirit, since Jesus is the word of God, and God is where His words came from. No ta book written and corrupted by men.

 

[theefaith]

You did not answer my question rather asking an unrelated question expecting an answer? I thought you were talking about the trinity?

Are you presuming I believe something I made no statement about one way or the other? Why would you derail your own thread?

What is the Word of God? What is a Protestant Bible? Why do you assume I believe there are 66 books in the Bible? Are you presuming that I believe the Bible is the Word of God?

Ok the trinity is one God in three divine persons, the athanasius creed is the best explanation I know of.

 

[theefaith]

Are you about to spill more catholic doctrine onto this forum.

Act_11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.

This is the only one that matters, the other has no bearing on ones salvation,

the first refers to johns baptism in f repentance

the second by water and the spirit Jn 3:5 Titus 3:5 refers to Christian sacrament of baptism