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There’s nothing more encouraging and comforting than realizing that at rebirth, believers have all they will ever require to be pronounced innocent before Christ’s judgment seat! I often wonder how many believers there are who may at least wish or hope that rebirth is permanent. One truth is certain, it requires God to give the understanding that there is nothing He does in Christ that is not permanent! Unless I’m wrong, I have yet to encounter anything in His Word that appears to refute this issue. Yes, there is a change in the manner of dispensing His plans and mind between the OT and the NT, but this only concerns Him revealing more of His mind in all He is going do.

In His choosing Israel to be the first dispensing of the revelation of Himself to man, He has retained those who believed in Him (Jn 14:1), and the Jews who believe in Him at His last coming, them God will also retain and complete His plans for them in the Millennium. The only changes God makes are those concerning the manner of the dispensation He chooses to use to reveal His will. I have learned though, that the primary delay in understanding the issue of permanent security in Christ is in attempting to attribute to ourselves (other than receiving) anything that either effects and retains salvation.

It’s clear to all that only God effects salvation, but I believe the fullness of this understanding is gauged in how we comprehend its retention (afto pou paragei apokleistika, diatirei apo mono tou; what solely produces, solely retains; literal: what it produces exclusively, it maintains on its own). The Scriptural order is that salvation procures works, and not the inverse (believing and receiving are not works but gifts). Works manifest and not produces! James 2:24 “Ye see then how that by works a man is justified.” In this context, “justified” is defined as “to show or manifest one is righteous.” Not “to make one righteous,” as in Rom 8:33, “It is God who justifies.”
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“There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus” (Ro 8:1). If this can be successfully shown, many a doubt will disappear from weary hearts. In turning to John 5:24, we see “Hath everlasting life, and shall not come into judgement, but is passed from death into life.”

Who has the authority to pronounce absolute unconditional security of the believer and to guarantee immunity from coming judgement? None other than the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the Quickener of the dead! His right and authority to announce beforehand the ultimate destiny of His own is unquestionable. Instead of standing in the dock as sinners and rebels, we shall sit on the bench as judges (1Co 6:2, 3).

At the Rapture, the believers are raised in glory (1Co 15:43). Consider the absurdity of believers in their glorified bodies, crowned and robed, morally and physically like the glorified Lord Jesus, standing trial before Him to see if they are fit for heaven and glory. A mere casual examination of the Scriptures must reverse such a conclusion.

The Judge was once God’s victim on the Cross for our sin (2Co 5:21). He bore our judgment, divine judgment due us. Our trial and judgment at Calvary are long since passed (since eternity past He’s known who will be His—NC). We are completely beyond judgment as is the Judge Himself. “Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the “Day of Judgment,” because as He is, so are we in this world (1Jn 4:17).

The feeblest and weakest of the Lord’s own are as safe from judgment as is Christ. Do not permit your assurance to be shaken by either your thoughts of unfitness, or the use of certain passages of Scripture that are wrested from their meaning and applied by blind leaders of the blind to undermine themselves and others.

We refer to such Scriptures as Matthew 24:13: “But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.” An examination of the context will immediately clear up any doubt as to the meaning of this Scripture. There are dispensational differences in the Word, and this one has to do with the tribulation period.

Then, many have been troubled by Hebrews 6:1-12. This Epistle was written to Jewish professors who had renounced Judaism and turned to Christianity. These were in danger of apostasy from Christianity; therefore, there would be nothing else to turn to but a fearful looking forward to judgment (10:27). Verses 9 and 10 (chp. 6) show true believers, while the others were mere professors and not believers at all.

Condemnation is future and necessarily succeeds judgment. Romans 8:1 states no judgment and no condemnation. What a glorious position for the believer!


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We refer to such Scriptures as Matthew 24:13: “But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.” An examination of the context will immediately clear up any doubt as to the meaning of this Scripture. There are dispensational differences in the Word, and this one has to do with the tribulation period.

Then there is Matthew 10:22, which does not in context refer to the GT.

In turning to John 5:24, we see “Hath everlasting life, and shall not come into judgement, but is passed from death into life.”

I believe that the kjv is more accurate in saying that they shall not come into condemnation (as opposed to judgment).

All will be judged (2 Corinthians 5:10). Believers will be judged at the bema seat, spoken of in 1 Corinthians 3:11-15.

Romans 8:1 states no judgment and no condemnation.

There is no condemnation for them who are in Christ Jesus. Certain translations have the definition of what it means to be in Christ Jesus...you will not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
 

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Then there is Matthew 10:22, which does not in context refer to the GT.
Hi, good point and it's true, it's a general reference and not specific, e.g. end of ones life or end of this life.

I believe that the kjv is more accurate in saying that they shall not come into condemnation (as opposed to judgment).
I can relate to why you say that, but they are synonymous in the Greek: G2920 - krisis - Strong's Greek Lexicon (KJV)

Judgment here doesn't mean a decision will then be determined, but rather a sentence will be passed, because determination is made in life, prior to death. We are condemned or justified in life, and sentenced or rewarded in death; e.g. those whom God knows will never choose to believe (majority of mankind - Mat 7:13, 14) "are condemned already" (Jhn 3:18).
 
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you sure get around lol hope your holding cfnet down with jlb
 

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you sure get around lol hope your holding cfnet down with jlb
Hi! Thanks for the greeting. JLB is very nice and respectful. But as most are on the dozen of sites I share, our spiritual growth opinions have much variance. God bless!
 

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There’s nothing more encouraging and comforting than realizing that at rebirth, believers have all they will ever require to be pronounced innocent before Christ’s judgment seat! I often wonder how many believers there are who may at least wish or hope that rebirth is permanent. One truth is certain, it requires God to give the understanding that there is nothing He does in Christ that is not permanent! Unless I’m wrong, I have yet to encounter anything in His Word that appears to refute this issue. Yes, there is a change in the manner of dispensing His plans and mind between the OT and the NT, but this only concerns Him revealing more of His mind in all He is going do.

In His choosing Israel to be the first dispensing of the revelation of Himself to man, He has retained those who believed in Him (Jn 14:1), and the Jews who believe in Him at His last coming, them God will also retain and complete His plans for them in the Millennium. The only changes God makes are those concerning the manner of the dispensation He chooses to use to reveal His will. I have learned though, that the primary delay in understanding the issue of permanent security in Christ is in attempting to attribute to ourselves (other than receiving) anything that either effects and retains salvation.

It’s clear to all that only God effects salvation, but I believe the fullness of this understanding is gauged in how we comprehend its retention (afto pou paragei apokleistika, diatirei apo mono tou; what solely produces, solely retains; literal: what it produces exclusively, it maintains on its own). The Scriptural order is that salvation procures works, and not the inverse (believing and receiving are not works but gifts). Works manifest and not produces! James 2:24 “Ye see then how that by works a man is justified.” In this context, “justified” is defined as “to show or manifest one is righteous.” Not “to make one righteous,” as in Rom 8:33, “It is God who justifies.”
NC (apologize for the winded prologue)




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“There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus” (Ro 8:1). If this can be successfully shown, many a doubt will disappear from weary hearts. In turning to John 5:24, we see “Hath everlasting life, and shall not come into judgement, but is passed from death into life.”

Who has the authority to pronounce absolute unconditional security of the believer and to guarantee immunity from coming judgement? None other than the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the Quickener of the dead! His right and authority to announce beforehand the ultimate destiny of His own is unquestionable. Instead of standing in the dock as sinners and rebels, we shall sit on the bench as judges (1Co 6:2, 3).

At the Rapture, the believers are raised in glory (1Co 15:43). Consider the absurdity of believers in their glorified bodies, crowned and robed, morally and physically like the glorified Lord Jesus, standing trial before Him to see if they are fit for heaven and glory. A mere casual examination of the Scriptures must reverse such a conclusion.

The Judge was once God’s victim on the Cross for our sin (2Co 5:21). He bore our judgment, divine judgment due us. Our trial and judgment at Calvary are long since passed (since eternity past He’s known who will be His—NC). We are completely beyond judgment as is the Judge Himself. “Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the “Day of Judgment,” because as He is, so are we in this world (1Jn 4:17).

The feeblest and weakest of the Lord’s own are as safe from judgment as is Christ. Do not permit your assurance to be shaken by either your thoughts of unfitness, or the use of certain passages of Scripture that are wrested from their meaning and applied by blind leaders of the blind to undermine themselves and others.

We refer to such Scriptures as Matthew 24:13: “But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.” An examination of the context will immediately clear up any doubt as to the meaning of this Scripture. There are dispensational differences in the Word, and this one has to do with the tribulation period.

Then, many have been troubled by Hebrews 6:1-12. This Epistle was written to Jewish professors who had renounced Judaism and turned to Christianity. These were in danger of apostasy from Christianity; therefore, there would be nothing else to turn to but a fearful looking forward to judgment (10:27). Verses 9 and 10 (chp. 6) show true believers, while the others were mere professors and not believers at all.

Condemnation is future and necessarily succeeds judgment. Romans 8:1 states no judgment and no condemnation. What a glorious position for the believer!


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It is good to see you again, Netchaplain. I once knew you under another name and avatar on another forum some six years ago. Though we may not always agree, I've always profited by your threads. May God bless you!
 

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There’s nothing more encouraging and comforting than realizing that at rebirth, believers have all they will ever require to be pronounced innocent before Christ’s judgment seat!

This kind of teaching is in error and leads many to never attain to grace. We will all be judged before Christ...and believers are more strictly judged than non-believers.

Unfortunately they who seem to be teachers don't understand God's ways and lead people astray with their presumptions and assumptions. Many will be rejected...disqualified...spit out of the mouth of Jesus...cut off...told to depart: And these among the many who have learned to claim much for themselves but without running the race of faith in a faithful way.
It's one thing to be saved onto the dock...but fish will rot there unless brought into the process of preparing them for preservation. Likewise many new converts rot on the docks because of a lack of discipleship. "My people perish from a lack of knowledge." In this case a lack of understanding of what it takes to prepare for a holy kingdom.

Discipleship has been neglected in order to increase numbers. But those numbers are going to be whittled down to a large extent. The promises of so many "ministers" will prove to have been vain. The part that many believe is under salvation is the very part that God means to get out of the way through crucifixion. Our ways don't mix with God's ways...much to the chagrin of many modern believers.
 

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It is good to see you again, Netchaplain. I once knew you under another name and avatar on another forum some six years ago. Though we may not always agree, I've always profited by your threads. May God bless you!
Hi, thanks for the greeting and the comments! Always nice running into other saints. God be blessed!!
 
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This kind of teaching is in error and leads many to never attain to grace. We will all be judged before Christ...and believers are more strictly judged than non-believers.

Unfortunately they who seem to be teachers don't understand God's ways and lead people astray with their presumptions and assumptions. Many will be rejected...disqualified...spit out of the mouth of Jesus...cut off...told to depart: And these among the many who have learned to claim much for themselves but without running the race of faith in a faithful way.
It's one thing to be saved onto the dock...but fish will rot there unless brought into the process of preparing them for preservation. Likewise many new converts rot on the docks because of a lack of discipleship. "My people perish from a lack of knowledge." In this case a lack of understanding of what it takes to prepare for a holy kingdom.

Discipleship has been neglected in order to increase numbers. But those numbers are going to be whittled down to a large extent. The promises of so many "ministers" will prove to have been vain. The part that many believe is under salvation is the very part that God means to get out of the way through crucifixion. Our ways don't mix with God's ways...much to the chagrin of many modern believers.
The believers Judgment is not for salvation/damnation it for rewards of service/works whether they are good or bad( 2 Cor 5:10) Some will burn like wood,hay and stubble while others with works of gold,silver and precious stones will be purified through fire. ( 1 Cor 3:12-15)

hope this helps !!!
 

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This kind of teaching is in error and leads many to never attain to grace.
Though we disagree I appreciate your input! No offense taken and none intended to you, but everything we want to say can be shared in a kind way.
Thankfully, those who will come to faith cannot ultimately be misled (Mat 24:24). Every name in the Book will inevitably come to faith.

God bless!
 
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The believers Judgment is not for salvation/damnation it for rewards of service/works whether they are good or bad( 2 Cor 5:10) Some will burn like wood,hay and stubble while others with works of gold,silver and precious stones will be purified through fire. ( 1 Cor 3:12-15)

hope this helps !!!


That is also a miscalculation...since the loss of all things would be equivalent to losing all your own and even your clothes so that you are now eternally naked and shamed.

In a great house there are both vessels of honour AND dishonour. I hope you pray about it.
 
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That is also a miscalculation...since the loss of all things would be equivalent to losing all your own and even your clothes so that you are now eternally naked and shamed.

In a great house there are both vessels of honour AND dishonour. I hope you pray about it.
No since Paul declared they will be saved by escaping the fire but their works will be burned.

1 Cor 3:10-15
By the grace God has given me, I laid a foundation as a wise builder, and someone else is building on it. But each one should build with care. 11 For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, 13 their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work. 14 If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. 15 If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be savedeven though only as one escaping through the flames.