FRED

[BOWnQUIVER]

Fred was a north american Indian who lived in the 1300s. Fred was a good ole boy. He help the widows of his tribe. Fred put food on the tables of those who were less fortunate than he. He helped all those who had a need. Seeing Fred lived in the 1300s he never had a chance to know Christ. Never heard of him. There are those who now claim poor Fred is in hell because he never accepted Christ. Where do you think Fred will end up. Hell? Will he attain eternal life at the great white throne resurrection because of his good works toward man?

 

[justbyfaith]

Fred was a north american Indian who lived in the 1300s. Fred was a good ole boy. He help the widows of his tribe. Fred put food on the tables of those who were less fortunate than he. He helped all those who had a need. Seeing Fred lived in the 1300s he never had a chance to know Christ. Never heard of him. There are those who now claim poor Fred is in hell because he never accepted Christ. Where do you think Fred will end up. Hell? Will he attain eternal life at the great white throne resurrection because of his good works toward man?

Fred will be given an opportunity to receive or reject Christ at his own judgment seat is what I believe.

See 1 Peter 3:19 and 1 Peter 4:6.

 

[Randy Kluth]

Fred will probably end up in "Heaven." That being said, an old friend of mine just died. He was one of the nicest unbelievers you will ever know, but to the end rejected Christ as a self-proclaimed Agnostic.

This friend, "Bill," will probably end up in "Hell." Although he was a good guy, he rejected the critical New Nature that we must receive to become truly good. He will probably live on the outskirts of the City of God, closer to it than most others in "Hell."

Fred will probably end up in "Heaven" because had he been told of the New Nature in Christ, he probably would've gladly embraced it. Some people are good and want to be changed. Some people are good, but don't want to be changed, and therefore, want good and bad to coexist in them. That is not acceptable with God, for purposes of "Heaven."

Romans 2 makes it clear that God sees into the consciences of men even when they don't have the full knowledge of God. If they act on what they know, and meet God's standards, they will make "Heaven," even though they had not yet converted. The purpose of the Gospel is to let men know they can change.

 

[Joseph77]

Romans 2 makes it clear that God sees into the consciences of men even when they don't have the full knowledge of God. If they act on what they know, and meet God's standards, they will make "Heaven," even though they had not yet converted. The purpose of the Gospel is to let men know they can change.

Good Romans 2.
Note that those who are justified by God, not only DO what God Says to DO,

but also it is written that they show by their lives that GOD HAS PUT TORAH ON THEIR HEARTS - HE HAS WRITTEN TORAH ON THEIR HEARTS.

i.e. multitudes who think they are doing good, are told be gone from Me, I never knew you.
So with fear and trembling let everyone work out their own salvation as written- daily .

 

[justbyfaith]

No one is good but God (Luke 18:19) and the one who has not been regenerated by Christ is not good (Romans 3:12).

Barnabas was good (Acts of the Apostles 11:22-24), not because he was God but because God dwelt in him. The fruit of the Spirit is among other things goodness (Galatians 5:22-23).

So then, we can be good in God; but apart from God, any goodness that can be found in us is on the level of filthy rags (Isaiah 64:6). This is the righteousness of the law / conscience.

The righteousness which is of God by faith (Philippians 3:9) is as fine linen, clean and white (Revelation 19:8 (kjv)).

 

[Joseph77]

Seeing Fred lived in the 1300s he never had a chance to know Christ.

He did have a chance, and it is perhaps not only possible, but likely , that he knew Christ.

 

[Joseph77]

Will he attain eternal life at the great white throne resurrection because of his good works toward man?

No. Not unless it was by faith in God. Without faith, it is impossible to please God.

Many might do many good works (so-called), for show, and they lose... they are told to get lost on judgment day by the boss himself... the judge, the righteous holy one , because they did not honor Him. They did not obey Him.

 

[BOWnQUIVER]

No. Not unless it was by faith in God. Without faith, it is impossible to please God.

JOHN 5 [28]Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, [29] And shall come forth; THEY THAT HAVE DONE GOOD, unto the resurrection of life; and THEY THAT HAVE DONE EVIL, unto the resurrection of damnation.

See how that an hour is coming where the evil and the good shall be raise. Most denominations would have you to believe that only the evil will be raised at this time {the great white throne}. Youll notice theres nothing in the above scripture about belief in Christ or faith in God.

 

[Joseph77]

JOHN 5 [28]Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, [29] And shall come forth; THEY THAT HAVE DONE GOOD, unto the resurrection of life; and THEY THAT HAVE DONE EVIL, unto the resurrection of damnation.

See how that an hour is coming where the evil and the good shall be raise. Most denominations would have you to believe that only the evil will be raised at this time {the great white throne}. Youll notice theres nothing in the above scripture about belief in Christ or faith in God.

Did you on purpose neglect that no one can do any good on their own, as nothing that is born of the flesh profits at all ?

 

[justbyfaith]

JOHN 5 [28]Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, [29] And shall come forth; THEY THAT HAVE DONE GOOD, unto the resurrection of life; and THEY THAT HAVE DONE EVIL, unto the resurrection of damnation.

See how that an hour is coming where the evil and the good shall be raise. Most denominations would have you to believe that only the evil will be raised at this time {the great white throne}. Youll notice theres nothing in the above scripture about belief in Christ or faith in God.

That scripture brings up an interesting point....because all have done evil (Romans 3:10-18, Romans 3:23, Galatians 3:22, 1 John 1:10).

So then, are all raised unto the resurrection of condemnation?

 

[BOWnQUIVER]

That scripture brings up an interesting point....because all have done evil (Romans 3:10-18, Romans 3:23, Galatians 3:22, 1 John 1:10).

So then, are all raised unto the resurrection of condemnation?

I would have to say no. Only cause scripture says so. God will be the Judge

 

[justbyfaith]

I would have to say no. Only cause scripture says so. God will be the Judge

You're right...

The reason being that, while all have done evil, the evil that some of us have done is blotted out / erased from the record because the blood of Jesus Christ was shed; and we have also been given a new nature that is inclined towards doing good.

So then, those who have been redeemed by the blood of the Lamb will be raised to the resurrection of life; while those who have not been forgiven will be raised unto the resurrection of condemnation.

 

[theophilus]

Fred was a north american Indian who lived in the 1300s. Fred was a good ole boy. He help the widows of his tribe. Fred put food on the tables of those who were less fortunate than he. He helped all those who had a need. Seeing Fred lived in the 1300s he never had a chance to know Christ. Never heard of him. There are those who now claim poor Fred is in hell because he never accepted Christ. Where do you think Fred will end up. Hell? Will he attain eternal life at the great white throne resurrection because of his good works toward man?

Every person will be judged on the basis of how much of the truth he knew. God has revealed his existence and power through his creation. Everyone has an inborn knowledge of right and wrong. Fred will be judged by whether or not he lived up to the truth that was revealed through those two sources.

We would all like to think that somehow Fred lived up to his knowledge and is now in Heaven but the Bible says that is not the case.

For all who have sinned without the law will also perish without the law, and all who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law.
Romans 2:12 ESV

Fred will be condemned because he fell short of doing what he knew was right, but his punishment will be much less than that of people who have heard the gospel and rejected it.

(Of course it is possible that God somehow made a way for him to hear the gospel and he believed and was saved. But we have no assurance that that was the case.)

 

[BOWnQUIVER]

(Of course it is possible that God somehow made a way for him to hear the gospel and he believed and was saved. But we have no assurance that that was the case.)

You are SAVED to the kingdom. The 1000yr period of rest. Fred aint goin there. He can attain eternal life by his works at the great white throne

REV. 20 [11]And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. [12] And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and THE BOOKS WERE OPENED: and another book was opened, which is THE BOOK OF LIFE: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, ACCORDING TO THEIR WORKS.

 

[BOWnQUIVER]

You can get there Freddy boy. Im rooten for ya!!!

 

[bbyrd009]

Fred was a north american Indian who lived in the 1300s. Fred was a good ole boy. He help the widows of his tribe. Fred put food on the tables of those who were less fortunate than he. He helped all those who had a need. Seeing Fred lived in the 1300s he never had a chance to know Christ. Never heard of him. There are those who now claim poor Fred is in hell because he never accepted Christ. Where do you think Fred will end up. Hell? Will he attain eternal life at the great white throne resurrection because of his good works toward man?

No one knows where they go when they die
All go to the same place
We do not yet know what we will become
No one has ever gone up to heaven
He who digs a pit for others to fall into ends up in it himself

Eternal
Strong's Greek: 166. αἰώνιος (aiónios) -- agelong, eternal
Strong's Greek: 165. αἰών (aión) -- a space of time, an age

 

[justbyfaith]

You are SAVED to the kingdom. The 1000yr period of rest. Fred aint goin there. He can attain eternal life by his works at the great white throne

REV. 20 [11]And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. [12] And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and THE BOOKS WERE OPENED: and another book was opened, which is THE BOOK OF LIFE: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, ACCORDING TO THEIR WORKS.

Men will be judged by their works at the GWT judgment; but those who are saved are saved by grace through faith; and that not of ourselves: it is the gift of God; not of works, lest any man should boast.

Those who are saved may not even appear at the GWT judgment; they will very likely be judged for reward at their "bema seat" (1 Corinthians 3:11-15)...

But if the saved do appear at the GWT judgment, their names are written in the Lamb's Book of Life because of the grace of God; and as that grace during their lives was sure to produce a change, what is written in the books would bear out that they were saved by grace through faith; as they would have been walking as new creatures in Christ.

 

[bbyrd009]

for all must appear before the judgement seat to be judged for their works done while in the body...

 

[justbyfaith]

for all must appear before the judgement seat to be judged for their works done while in the body...

Yes indeed.

Some stand before the bema seat; and others before the Great White Throne.

 

[Angelina]

Fred was a north american Indian who lived in the 1300s. Fred was a good ole boy. He help the widows of his tribe. Fred put food on the tables of those who were less fortunate than he. He helped all those who had a need. Seeing Fred lived in the 1300s he never had a chance to know Christ. Never heard of him. There are those who now claim poor Fred is in hell because he never accepted Christ. Where do you think Fred will end up. Hell? Will he attain eternal life at the great white throne resurrection because of his good works toward man?

Agreed @Joseph77 Romans 2 AMP
14 When Gentiles, who do not have the Law [since it was given only to Jews], do instinctively the things the Law requires [guided only by their conscience], they are a law to themselves, though they do not have the Law. 15 They show that the essential requirements of the Law are written in their hearts; and their conscience [their sense of right and wrong, their moral choices] bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or perhaps defending them 16 on that day when, as my gospel proclaims, God will judge the secrets [all the hidden thoughts and concealed sins] of men through Christ Jesus.

He's gonna be fine...