Free will and robots

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I'm sure you've all heard it before. That free will is the reason that our Love to God has any power at all. God didn't create us, the elect, as robots, to Love Him. That would not be Love at all. Love is a free will choice, for Him, and this is the very reason He gave us free will in the first place, by Adam. God Loves us and yet, He is a respecter of our free will. Our will to choose life in Him through Christ, and our will to reject Christ for the things of this world and the deceptions of the evil one. And yet God loves each of His creation still.

In the Garden of Eden, we died in Adam, and sin was imputed to all men. Christ redeemed us by His blood. Animal sacrifices were but a foreshadow of Christ's atoning sacrifice, and this is why blood had to be shed at all. Because of Him. Christ became as man, so that man may be reacquired through Christ, in spite of our rebellion. Jesus took upon Himself our sin and was made sin for us so that we might become the sons of God. This is penalty substitutionary atonement. This is scriptural.

One day in the future we are told that we will be freed from all sin and taken out of the bondage of the corruptible, and to put on, as it were, sinless incorruption. Our new bodies, living lives of perfect obedience and communion throughout eternity? But then how will we live? If free will is present, then how will sin be put away forever? Would we not be then made like the atomaton who cannot choose evil? How does that work? If the sin nature is gone by our union with God, would that not make us robots again? Does free will exist in Heaven?

 

[ThePuffyBlob]

One day in the future we are told that we will be freed from all sin and taken out of the bondage of the corruptible, and to put on, as it were, sinless incorruption. Our new bodies, living lives of perfect obedience and communion throughout eternity? But then how will we live? If free will is present, then how will sin be put away forever? Would we not be then made like the atomaton who cannot choose evil? How does that work? If the sin nature is gone by our union with God, would that not make us robots again? Does free will exist in Heaven?

I asked the same questions before but now I know the fitting answer
the answer is I don't know there are things that shouldn't be known until it was fulfilled those things are not really important to ponder yet
best not to think about it God holds the answer to it and you'll never steal it from him if you want to know then ask him if he did not reply then you ask amiss the answer isn't rightfully be handed to you

 

[Robert Gwin]

I'm sure you've all heard it before. That free will is the reason that our Love to God has any power at all. God didn't create us, the elect, as robots, to Love Him. That would not be Love at all. Love is a free will choice, for Him, and this is the very reason He gave us free will in the first place, by Adam. God Loves us and yet, He is a respecter of our free will. Our will to choose life in Him through Christ, and our will to reject Christ for the things of this world and the deceptions of the evil one. And yet God loves each of His creation still.

In the Garden of Eden, we died in Adam, and sin was imputed to all men. Christ redeemed us by His blood. Animal sacrifices were but a foreshadow of Christ's atoning sacrifice, and this is why blood had to be shed at all. Because of Him. Christ became as man, so that man may be reacquired through Christ, in spite of our rebellion. Jesus took upon Himself our sin and was made sin for us so that we might become the sons of God. This is penalty substitutionary atonement. This is scriptural.

One day in the future we are told that we will be freed from all sin and taken out of the bondage of the corruptible, and to put on, as it were, sinless incorruption. Our new bodies, living lives of perfect obedience and communion throughout eternity? But then how will we live? If free will is present, then how will sin be put away forever? Would we not be then made like the atomaton who cannot choose evil? How does that work? If the sin nature is gone by our union with God, would that not make us robots again? Does free will exist in Heaven?

For life, free will means keeping oneself within Jehovah's guidelines. Adam and Eve chose to step outside those boundaries, and chose to be their own gods.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

I'm sure you've all heard it before. That free will is the reason that our Love to God has any power at all. God didn't create us, the elect, as robots, to Love Him. That would not be Love at all. Love is a free will choice, for Him, and this is the very reason He gave us free will in the first place, by Adam. God Loves us and yet, He is a respecter of our free will. Our will to choose life in Him through Christ, and our will to reject Christ for the things of this world and the deceptions of the evil one. And yet God loves each of His creation still.

Jesus refutes this paragraph in one sentence: "

"No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day". John 6:44
So how did you will yourself to Christ without God first enabling you to do so?
Another verse would be,
" For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast. Eph. 2:8-9
How can grace be grace if it depends on our will completely? Grace is not only unmerited favor, but it is God choosing us. The Bible says we a chosen/elect.
He draws us supernaturally through a series of events and people that He sends into our lives to give us the gospel. Faith comes by the Word. We hear it, we read it and it penetrates and changes our view. God persuades us to change our minds that were previously against Him/rebellious. So He turns on the light, lifts our veils so we can see. THEN WE OPEN THE DOOR AND SAY YES, a choice that now makes sense.
All along it appears that you are making the decision without Him enabling you to. It is a spiritual thing. We can't jumpstart this divine appointment. We do not have this control of spiritual things nor these unique events that surround this special appointment. It appears that it is only your intellect, your reason and sole choice.
All the thoughts that come into your mind are not all self generated. Some come from others or outside sources and some important and crucial ones come from God.
This does not imply that we are robots. Is an infant child a robot because the mother protects, provides for and teaches him and prepares him for life as he grows so that someday he can make decisions and be responsible for himself? I suppose left to himself he can do all that? We equip him with the help if God for life. The Bible says we can doing nothing good without God.

Why didn't any pre-Flood wretched, wicked, evil to the core people freely will themselves with reason to be persuaded to get into Noah's Ark? Noah was a preacher, a good man that others should have been influenced by. There were millions, maybe tens of millions. You would think some should have been persuaded? They could not because God did not choose them. He did put into the minds of all the animals to enter the Ark willingly as if that was their sole purpose AND when One they arrived to be peaceful, sedate and in harmony with all.. One day, the thought came into their mind, to find and get into that Ark and God led them there. What do you think, they chose to be corraled by Noah? Did Noah just go out and capture young offspring of 10 thousand different kinds of animals, male and female and they went along with him willingly without God's power behind it? I'm sure Momma bears or lions would not allow him to take there cubs willingly unless God changed their minds. Otherwise that would have been the end of Noah. How about poisonous snakes and spiders? Actually all wild animals are dangerous. Try messing with a racoon. But Noah had no problem with God overseeing that event. Likewise, there was no problem for God's elect (billions of Christians) to be drawn to Him willingly.

One day in the future we are told that we will be freed from all sin and taken out of the bondage of the corruptible, and to put on, as it were, sinless incorruption. Our new bodies, living lives of perfect obedience and communion throughout eternity? But then how will we live? If free will is present, then how will sin be put away forever? Would we not be then made like the atomaton who cannot choose evil? How does that work? If the sin nature is gone by our union with God, would that not make us robots again? Does free will exist in Heaven?

When evil is not present or capable of entering into heaven, your pure will can only choose what is good. You will be free to make thousands of purely good decisions. You will only have pure desires to worship God and live in love and peace.
BTW, the phrase "free will" is deceptive. Our nature's have bothered Spirit and flesh (where sin dwells). So we wrestle with good and bad choices in life because, even though as Christians, we are no longer slaves to sin, nor do we practice sin, we sometimes slip and fall and are tempted. Once we lose the fleash, our sin nature, then we will truly be free from evil.