Fundamental teaching on : Great Tribulation Salvation

[Behold]

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Here are the basics you need to learn, regarding how SALVATiON is offered by God during the "time of the Gentiles", vs, how its offered to the JEWS, by the 144,000 Jews, (Hebrews) in the Great Tribulation.
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In the Great Trib, God is not corporally dealing with the GENTILES.
God has again started dealing with the : JEW.... corporally.
This is why the CHURCH is not found preaching in the Great Tribulation verses....but rather you find the 144,000 JEWS (Hebrews) preaching.

And why did God stop dealing with the Nation of Israel, to "graft in" the Gentiles, in the "time of the Gentiles"?
ITs because the JEWS, corporally, REJECTED THEIR MESSIAH, who hung for them ON THE CROSS.

Jews are all about the LAW. They rejected their Messiah, (corporally) and are still "going about to establish their OWN Righteousness", and that can't be done.

So, God is offering GRACE to the Gentiles "in the time of the Gentiles'...because the JEWS would not have Grace, who is Christ their Messiah, they rejected.

Paul was sent by Jesus, to the GENTILES, to give them "the gift of Salvation".
This GIFT is not found, is not offered in the Great Trib, and that is why you can't find it in any verse that deals with the JEWS being dealt with by GOD, in the Great Trib.

Listen...
In the Great Trib, God begins again to deal with the JEW, as the "Time of the Gentiles" is OVER.
And God does not offer them again,""" GRACE Through Faith""", using the 144,000 Jews
This is why the phrase "GRACE of GOD" does not appear during the Great Trib.
NOT IN ONE VERSE.
Read it for yourself, then burn all your commentaries that lied to you.
There is no GRACE OF GOD in the Grt TRB,. There is NO "GIFT OF SALVATiON" as you find it freely given in the "time of the Gentiles"..

God's "GIFT OF SALVATION and "GIFT OF RIGHTEOUSNESS, ENDS, = when the "time of the Gentiles" is over.

Reader,
the Jewish nation, the JEWS, =HEBREWS.... would not submit to the Grace of God, as they would not have JESUS as their Messiah.
= Jesus IS God's Grace.
This is Hebrews Chapter 6, and 10:26, and the last 7 verses in ACTS 28
This GIFT OF GOD, JESUS THEIR MESSIAH = they "willfully sinned" = rejected.

Listen,
God deals differently with all who are left left behind, in the Great Trib.
They are going to deal with Satan, the "mark", Martyrdom, and the 2nd worst part of all, is having to "endure to the end" of the Grt Trib, if you want to go to heaven.
We dont have to do that now, in the "church age", that is not the GREAT TRIBULATiON 7 yrs.
= Right NOW, in the time of the Gentiles, were are given "Justification by FAITH, and NOT..>"enduring to the end' of the Great Tribulation.
See that?
Those who are here in the GRT TRIB, are in for HELL ON EARTH... as you will have to NOT Take the Mark of the Beast, and you will have to die as a MARTYR, or "endure to the end" of the Great Tribulation.

Reader, you dont want to be there...........
What you want to do, is receive Christ NOW...... and be born again NOW, as that is "the simplicity that is IN CHRIST"< and its a "FREE GIFT".
Salvation is a FREE GIFT.

There is no "GIFT OF SALVATiON" or "Gift of Righteousness"< found in the Great Tribulation as "the Gospel".

 

[Robert Gwin]

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Here are the basics you need to learn, regarding how SALVATiON is offered by God during the "time of the Gentiles", vs, how its offered to the JEWS, by the 144,000 Jews, (Hebrews) in the Great Tribulation.
----------------------------------------------------------

In the Great Trib, God is not corporally dealing with the GENTILES.
God has again started dealing with the : JEW.... corporally.
This is why the CHURCH is not found preaching in the Great Tribulation verses....but rather you find the 144,000 JEWS (Hebrews) preaching.

And why did God stop dealing with the Nation of Israel, to "graft in" the Gentiles, in the "time of the Gentiles"?
ITs because the JEWS, corporally, REJECTED THEIR MESSIAH, who hung for them ON THE CROSS.

Jews are all about the LAW. They rejected their Messiah, (corporally) and are still "going about to establish their OWN Righteousness", and that can't be done.

So, God is offering GRACE to the Gentiles "in the time of the Gentiles'...because the JEWS would not have Grace, who is Christ their Messiah, they rejected.

Paul was sent by Jesus, to the GENTILES, to give them "the gift of Salvation".
This GIFT is not found, is not offered in the Great Trib, and that is why you can't find it in any verse that deals with the JEWS being dealt with by GOD, in the Great Trib.

Listen...
In the Great Trib, God begins again to deal with the JEW, as the "Time of the Gentiles" is OVER.
And God does not offer them again,""" GRACE Through Faith""", using the 144,000 Jews
This is why the phrase "GRACE of GOD" does not appear during the Great Trib.
NOT IN ONE VERSE.
Read it for yourself, then burn all your commentaries that lied to you.
There is no GRACE OF GOD in the Grt TRB,. There is NO "GIFT OF SALVATiON" as you find it freely given in the "time of the Gentiles"..

God's "GIFT OF SALVATION and "GIFT OF RIGHTEOUSNESS, ENDS, = when the "time of the Gentiles" is over.

Reader,
the Jewish nation, the JEWS, =HEBREWS.... would not submit to the Grace of God, as they would not have JESUS as their Messiah.
= Jesus IS God's Grace.
This is Hebrews Chapter 6, and 10:26, and the last 7 verses in ACTS 28
This GIFT OF GOD, JESUS THEIR MESSIAH = they "willfully sinned" = rejected.

Listen,
God deals differently with all who are left left behind, in the Great Trib.
They are going to deal with Satan, the "mark", Martyrdom, and the 2nd worst part of all, is having to "endure to the end" of the Grt Trib, if you want to go to heaven.
We dont have to do that now, in the "church age", that is not the GREAT TRIBULATiON 7 yrs.
= Right NOW, in the time of the Gentiles, were are given "Justification by FAITH, and NOT..>"enduring to the end' of the Great Tribulation.
See that?
Those who are here in the GRT TRIB, are in for HELL ON EARTH... as you will have to NOT Take the Mark of the Beast, and you will have to die as a MARTYR, or "endure to the end" of the Great Tribulation.

Reader, you dont want to be there...........
What you want to do, is receive Christ NOW...... and be born again NOW, as that is "the simplicity that is IN CHRIST"< and its a "FREE GIFT".
Salvation is a FREE GIFT.

There is no "GIFT OF SALVATiON" or "Gift of Righteousness"< found in the Great Tribulation as "the Gospel".

The time of the Gentiles ended sir, Jesus is the now enthroned King of God. He has been King now for over a century, we are very near his return. Hence the great tribulation is on the horizon.

 

[Behold]

The time of the Gentiles ended sir, Jesus is the now enthroned King of God. He has been King now for over a century, we are very near his return. Hence the great tribulation is on the horizon.

There is no Rapture., Yet.
= There is no Great Tribulation Started.
So, that means the "time of the Gentiles' is NOT ended.

Once those 144,000 Jew start preaching the "gospel of the Kingdom", and you are here, then you will know you are in the Grt Trib.

 

[Robert Gwin]

There is no Rapture., Yet.
= There is no Great Tribulation Started.
So, that means the "time of the Gentiles' is NOT ended.

Once those 144,000 Jew start preaching the "gospel of the Kingdom", and you are here, then you will know you are in the Grt Trib.

What is "the time of the Gentiles" Be?

 

[Behold]

What is "the time of the Gentiles" Be?

Its a "season", where God set aside His dealing with the Jews, the Nation of Israel, and has opened the door to heaven to the "gentiles".
This is the TIME...... the "time of the Gentile"....its the time when God has opened the door to heaven, so that the GENTILES can be SAVED...

God has does this through a specific Gospel.

Its what Paul refers to as "MY Gospel".

"the TIME, of the Gentiles".= And Paul is the "Gentile apostle" who was given by Jesus Himself for the Gentiles, A GOSPEL that is = "the Gospel of the GRACE of God"

This ENDS when the Grt Trib starts, as the "time of the gentiles" will have ended.

This TIME and this specific Gospel, is going to end..... and the Great TRIB is going to Begin.
And that 7 years is another TIME and a different GOSPEL..... Its another season, where God is doing something different with Mankind., specifically God is again dealing with the JEW.

 

[Taken]

Fundamental teaching on : Great Tribulation Salvation
OP ^

During end of days as we know them...effected by Gods Tribulation He sends down from Heaven;

Anciently - for 4,000 years men heard of the Heavenly God, and men could freely choose to believe, “or not”.
* Division among men...Believers, Non-Believers.

Historically - for 2,000 years men heard of the Heavenly God, AND the One God Sent, and men could freely choose to believe, “or not”.
* Division among men...Believers, Non-Believers.

Future - for 7 years the Men who have NOT decided, shall have opportunity TO Decide, BEFORE...
* the Divided Believers and Divided Non-Believers ARE Separated.

Future - for 1,000 years (mortal men) Believers and (immortal men) Vowed Believers Shall occupy the Earth;
AND BE:
** VOID OF Satan’s Anti-Christ influences.
** AND WITH the physical Presence OF the ONE (God sent 2,000 years ago, “without” power) BUT WILL Send Again to Earth...(WITH Power).

Future - For 1,000 years, mortal men WILL live, Increase, build, gain, Some will assume Governing positions over cities, nations, and the people at large. Men will die, and others will assume the Governing positions.

After the 1,000 years have come to an end, Satan shall return to the Presence of moral men, to once again use his craftiness to INFLUENCE mortal men AGAINST Christ Jesus.

And ONCE AGAIN, mortal men, SHALL DIVIDE...
* some remain in Standing WITH Christ the Lord.
* some lending an ear to Satan’s proposals of Standing AGAINST Christ the Lord.

* And ONCE AGAIN, the Divided mortals WITH Christ the Lord, SHALL be Separated FROM, the Divided mortals AGAINST Christ the Lord.
* Fact is..those mortals Against the Christ the Lord shall be overcome, and eventually during Judgement, Sentenced to Damnation.
* Fact is..those spirits (angels) WITH Satan, and Satan Himself, Shall Also BE overcome, defeated and Separated FOREVER, from mortal men, from immortal men, from Holy Angels, from the face of the earth, from the heavens, to NEVER again have Power to say, to imply, to suggest, influence, to effect ANY influence whatsoever Against;
The Lord God Almighty.

Salvation OF the Lord God Almighty...is an OFFERED Gift to ALL of mankind...Already PAID for...Already EVERY mans own FREEWILL...to TAKE and HAVE Possession of that GIFT Forever...or not.

Not a mystery.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Jews are all about the LAW.

Not really. They are about making the law void:

“…ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you…” (Matthew 15:6-7)

Sectarians today do the same.

Paul was sent by Jesus, to the GENTILES, to give them "the gift of Salvation".
This GIFT is not found, is not offered in the Great Trib

Yes it is:

“And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.” (Revelation 14:6-7)

In the Great Trib, God begins again to deal with the JEW

Wrong.

That “man of sin” (the beast) begins dealing with the SAINTS!

“And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.” (Revelation 13:6-7)

You can’t take away “the saints” from this scripture and then add “the Jews”!

BEWARE!

“For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.” (Revelation 22:18-19)

 

[Behold]

Salvation OF the Lord God Almighty...is an OFFERED Gift to ALL of mankind.

The "gift of Salvation" is not known in the Old Testament.

This "Gospel" of the Grace of God', is given by ONE Apostle, who is the Apostle to the Gentiles.
He is not preaching "the gospel of the kingdom"...but rather Paul is preaching "MY Gospel"< that Christ gave Him to share "in the time of the Gentiles" as Paul alone is the "gentile apostle".
When the time of the gentiles, ends, the Grt Trib starts, and Paul's Gospel to the GENTILES, ends, as God is now again dealing specifically with the JEW.
The 144,000 JEWS< who are preaching in the Grt Trib, are not preaching Paul's Gospel of the Grace of God., as it ended when the "time of the gentiles" ends, and the Grt Trib begins.

 

[Behold]

Not really. They are about making the law void:

You have no idea what you are talking about.
You have never been to Israel, you have no idea what Jews believe.

The Jews, who are religious, believe they are married to the Law of Moses.
This is why they talk about Moses and LAW. LAW LAW LAW LAW LAW...............>

Jews, who are religious, wont go to Jesus...
And why is that?
Its because they feel themselves to be married to the Law of Moses, and for them to go to Christ, they BELIEVE is to commit adultery against God.

So, you dont know anything about any of this, Michiah-Imla, and you pretend you can teach it.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

You have no idea what you are talking about.
You have never been to Israel, you have no idea what Jews believe.

As usual.

Posting supporting scriptures that prove you wrong are of none effect to you.

And what does “going to Israel” have to do with my rebuttal?

 

[Behold]

As usual.
Posting supporting scriptures that prove you wrong are of none effect to you.

Heretics post the same verses, that you post, trying to prove the same lie.
That's on you.
Believe it.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Heretics post the same verses, that you post, trying to prove the same lie.

Heretics post the same unscriptural speeches that you post trying to prove the same lie.

 

[Behold]

Heretics post the same unscriptural speeches that you post trying to prove the same lie.

I use many verses.
So, your lie is noted.

What I don't do, what i never do.... is just post random "cut and paste" verses, and pretend im teaching them.
I'll leave that job to you, as its your other reason to be on the forum.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

I use many verses.
So, your lie is noted.

I hardly ever see any.

Post some now.

What I don't do, what i never do.... is just post random "cut and paste" verses, and pretend im teaching them.

Why not?

And who’s “pretending”?

It’s a biblical thing to do. The writers cited pieces of scripture many times to support their writings.

 

[Taken]

The "gift of Salvation" is not known in the Old Testament.

Disagree:

OT -
Hear.............1880+ mentions
Believe...............45 mentions
Grace ................39 mentions
Faith...................56 mentions
Gifts...................30 mentions
Blessings.............65 mentions
Save...............200+ mentions
Salvation...........119 mentions

These thing were taught historically to and by Hebrews, and Israels Tribes. They faulted, were scattered, fell into adopting Gentiles ways.

Jesus came to “remind, reteach, the Lost Jews.
Jesus sent men to “remind, reteach, the Lost Jews, and thereafter Israels Tribes.
Jesus sent Paul to “Teach” Gentile People, Gentile kings and as well any Lost Jews, Tribesmen.

Point being, OT men were not without knowledge of Gods Salvation, exacted By, Through, Of Gods Grace and a mans blessing of Faith.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[amigo de christo]

I hardly ever see any.

Post some now.



Why not?

And who’s “pretending”?

It’s a biblical thing to do. The writers cited pieces of scripture many times to support their writings.

Thee faith brings many scriptures , the only problem is he uses them to support the CC
Many do this . Even those within the protestant realm . So take heed and do beware .
IF the scrips one brings leadeth us into error and destruction and death , Be advised THEY ARE TWISTING the scrips to simply
JUSTIFY a lie . And the king of that is SATAN . Look at all the scrips he brought , yet he took them out of text
to try and cause DISOBEDIANCE TO GOD . That ol serpent is very sneaky and so are his men .

 

[amigo de christo]

As usual.

Posting supporting scriptures that prove you wrong are of none effect to you.

And what does “going to Israel” have to do with my rebuttal?

HE THINKS THE CC IS THE ISRAEL OF GOD . NO sir , its no israel of GOD , its the pit of dead mens bones
that has simply been decked upon the outside to appear beautiful and righteous unto men . But beware
for within SHE Is full of dead mens bones . THERE is naught but death and destruction within her chambers .

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Thee faith brings many scriptures , the only problem is he uses them to support the CC

I was addressing @Behold, not @theefaith

Blessings friend!

It can be confusing to follow these threads at times though. LOL!!

 

[theefaith]

Jesus Christ founded the new covenant church for the salvation of all men! (Jn 1:16-17) Christ is the truth! (Jn 14:6) Christ and his church are one!
(Acts 9;4 eph 5:32)
The church is the pillar of truth
(1 Tim 3:15) that must teach all men (Matt 28:19) without error guided by the Holy Spirit
(Jn 16:13) Thru the grace of God in the sanctification of souls applied in the seven sacraments!

Sacramental life: Jn 1:16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. Jn 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

One true church Jn 19:16 eph 4:5

Now the way to reach Christ is not hard to find: it is the Church. Rightly does Chrysostom inculcate: “The Church is thy hope, the Church is thy salvation, the Church is thy refuge.” (“Hom. de capto Euthropio,” n. 6.) It was for this that Christ founded it, gaining it at the price of His blood, and made it the depositary of His doctrine and His laws, bestowing upon it at the same time an inexhaustible treasury of graces for the sanctification and salvation of men.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Its a "season", where God set aside His dealing with the Jews, the Nation of Israel, and has opened the door to heaven to the "gentiles".
This is the TIME...... the "time of the Gentile"....its the time when God has opened the door to heaven, so that the GENTILES can be SAVED...

God has does this through a specific Gospel.

Its what Paul refers to as "MY Gospel".

"the TIME, of the Gentiles".= And Paul is the "Gentile apostle" who was given by Jesus Himself for the Gentiles, A GOSPEL that is = "the Gospel of the GRACE of God"

This ENDS when the Grt Trib starts, as the "time of the gentiles" will have ended.

This TIME and this specific Gospel, is going to end..... and the Great TRIB is going to Begin.
And that 7 years is another TIME and a different GOSPEL..... Its another season, where God is doing something different with Mankind., specifically God is again dealing with the JEW.

No sir, the time of the Gentiles/appointed time of the nations, was the period of time that God had no King sitting on His throne to guide His people, until the one who had the legal right was enthroned. Jehovah removed our King Zedekiah in 607 BCE and enthroned Jesus in 1914 CE. It was prophesied in Dan chap 4.