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Fundamentalist Christianity is fear-based?

Discussion in 'Inter-Faith Discussion' started by Animal2692, Apr 27, 2022.

  1. prism

    prism Blood-Soaked

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    Aren’t your Clergy, Cardinals and Popes forbidden to marry?
     
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    theefaith Well-Known Member

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    that’s a discipline!
    Discipline can change!
    Matt 16:18-19 & 18:18
     
  3. prism

    prism Blood-Soaked

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    It’s also heresy. Heresy changes all the time.


    1 Timothy 4:1-3 KJV
    [1] Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; [2] Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; [3] Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
     
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    Berserk Well-Known Member

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    Nope! Practically any translation but the KJV is preferable! The KJV translates "Sheol" in the OT as "Hell," when in fact "Sheol" means nothing of the sort. In fact, "Hell" is totally absent from the OT.
     
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    Michiah-Imla Well-Known Member

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    We will all see in the end.

    I am prepared.

    Are you?
     
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    Jim B Well-Known Member

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    Your opinion of "a parliamentary government" is wrong. Again, parliamentary government is a democratic form of government in which the political party that wins the most seats in the legislature or parliament during the federal election forms the government.

    Why can't you ever accept the truth?
     
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    no one is forbidden to marry in the Catholic Church!

    that refers to fundamentalist rigorist sects like the Albigensian’s
     
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    theefaith Well-Known Member

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    I never said a parliament!

    Christ is king
    Peter is his vicar as prime minister
    The apostles in union with him
    The people united to their apostle
     
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    amigo de christo Well-Known Member

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    Never let them persaude you my friend . Most folks forgot the warning that is left to us at the end of the book of revelation .
    Dont add too , nor take from that book . Lake of fire is MENTIONED in that book . And it occurs after the physical death of the body too .
    Jesus warned of it as well . Never let them persaude you otherwise . JESUS CHRIST is our way out of that lake of fire .
    YES HE IS . Now let all praise and thank the LORD .
     
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    theefaith Well-Known Member

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    what is your preparation?
     
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    They never will brother.

    Amen!!!
     
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    prism Blood-Soaked

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    No one? Then why do I hear that the Catholic Church needs to loosen its restrictions on priests marrying to help reduce the pedophilia going on?
     
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    A prime minister is the official head of a cabinet or ministry especially : the chief executive of a parliamentary government. So if Peter functions as his prime minister, that says that he is the chief executive of a parliamentary government.
     
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    There already are Many married priests, some converted from anglicans etc. and there is a rite in the church we’re priest are married, but the discipline of the Latin rite is celibacy like Christ and Paul etc. for the sake of the gospel!

    Abuse not caused by celibacy!

    But by modernism and liberalism and by the infiltration of seminary’s by communists, and Freemasons, and homo’s

    Celibacy is biblical!

    29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.
     
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    what was Joseph under pharaoh?

    Isa 22:21 And I will clothe him with thy robe, and strengthen him with thy girdle, and I will commit thy government into his hand: and he shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and to the house of Judah.

    22 And the key of the house of David will I lay upon his shoulder; so he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open.

    Matt 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

    19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

    peter is head of the church on earth in place of Christ who ascended to heaven
     
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    prism Blood-Soaked

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    1 Corinthians 7:2,9,28 KJV
    [2] Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

    [9] But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.

    [28] But and if thou marry, thou hast not sinned; and if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned. Nevertheless such shall have trouble in the flesh: but I spare you.

    Your right celibacy nor marriage is the problem but rather sin is. Problem is when you add man’s works to God’s cure you only exacerbate the problem.
     
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    More nonsense!

    Pharaoh's Egypt was not a parliamentary government.

    Nowhere in Scripture does it say that Peter is head of the church on earth in place of Christ. He declared Jesus to be the Christ, but right away Jeus called him Satan. So by your rationale, Satan is the head of the church! Don't forget that the "head of the church on earth in place of Christ" denied Christ three times and was chastised by Paul for being a hypocrite. James was the head of the church in Jerusalem while Peter was there.

    As usual, you are blind to the truth. Wake up!
     
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    works? Really?

    Grace and works!

    If you are given a bar of gold it is a free gift that you received, but you must use it, sell it and by food or pay bills, you must do something!

    Grace is a free gift, but we corespond to it, and apply it to our life and spiritual needs!

    2 Corinthians 12:9
    And he said unto me, My grace issufficient for thee: for my strength ismade perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.


    The great error of faith alone is that you believe you are saved and under grace and that you ARE NOT subject to the Mosaic law, (and that’s correct) but also you are not subject to the moral law and DO NOT need to pray, fast, give alms, practice virtue, suffer for Christ, or be righteous, or keep the commandments, even the commandments of Jesus, or maintain any standard of morality!
    It’s a gross misunderstanding of law and Grace!

    Confuses the mosaic law with the moral law!

    There is nothing we can do???


    Does the will of God:
    Those who hear the Word of God and do it!
    Ez 36:25-27
    Matt 7:21
    Matt 12:50
    Mk 3:35
    Lk 8:21
    Lk 11:28
    Jn 5:30
    Jn7:17
    Rom 12:2
    Rev 17:7

    Doer of the word
    James 1:22-23

    Keep my commandments:
    Matt 28:20
    Jn 14:21

    Things we must do:
    Matt 5:8
    Jn 15:1-5
    Lk 1:4
    Acts 2:38

    Must repent and do penance
    Matt 3:2
    Matt 3:8
    Matt 4:17
    Matt 9:13
    Matt 16:24
    Acts 2:38
    Acts 3:19

    Must believe and continue in a state of believing:
    Jn3:16

    Endure to the end:
    Matt 24:13
    Mark 13:13
    Rev 2:26
    Heb 3:14
    Heb 6:11
    Romans 11:22
    Colossians 1:21-23
    Hebrews 12:22-25
    Hebrews 6:4
    Hebrews 10:23-29, 35-39
    Hebrews 3:4-6
    1 John 2:24-25
    2 John 8-9
    Galatians 5:2-4
    2 Timothy 2:11-13
     
  20. theefaith

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    Peter’s the Rock!


    Jesus Christ is the rock of salvation!

    Peter is the rock that the church is built on by Christ alone!

    Lk 22
    All apostles But Jesus prays for Peter alone

    Jn 21:17 Peter entrusted with the flock or church

    Only Peter and His successors have
    Jurisdictional authority from Christ to govern the church!

    Already acting in the person of Christ even acting as intermediary!

    It is Jesus Christ who identifies peter with himself!

    Matt 17:24 And when they were come to Capernaum, they that received tribute money came to Peter, and said, Doth not your master pay tribute?

    25 He saith, Yes. And when he was come into the houser, Jesus prevented him, saying, What thinkest thou, Simon? of whom do the kings of the earth take custom or tribute? of their own children, or of strangers?

    26 Peter saith unto him, Of strangers. Jesus saith unto him, Then are the children free.

    27 Notwithstanding, lest we should offend them, go thou to the sea, and cast an hook, and take up the fish that first cometh up; and when thou hast opened his mouth, thou shalt find a piece of money: that take, and give unto them for me and thee.

    It is Jesus Christ who identifies peter with himself! Matt 17:27

    Jesus Christ gives the keys of the kingdom to peter matt 16:18-19 making him prime minister applying Isa 22:21-22 to peter

    It’s Christ who does this

    Why is the name of peter even mentioned?

    Why does Christ change Peter’s name, God changing a persons name like Abram to Abraham or Jacob to Israel always signifies a mission or ministry!

    Why does Christ give him the keys of jurisdictional authority that the prime minister holds under the king to administer the kingdom? Isa 22:21-22

    How do you govern the church and administer the kingdom with a confession?

    How do you give jurisdictional authority to a confession? (Keys of the kingdom)

    How do you give a confession the power to bind and loose?


    also have to explain
    Isa 22:21-22 jurisdictional authority of the keys and called father
    Matt 28:19 go teach baptize
    Jn 20:21-23 same mission power and authority as christ
    Eph 2:20 church built on the apostles
    Matt 23 successors of Moses have the jurisdictional authority and the power to bind and loose which Christ says must be obeyed, then taken from them matt 21:43 given to Peter and the apostles and their successors

    Lk 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;
    30 That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
    31 And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat: (plural Peter and his successors)
    32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.



    Applies only to Peter as “prince of the apostles”!

    Peter and his successors are the Leader of the apostles and the head of the church until Christ returns!

    Matt 10:2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter,

    Lk 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;
    30 That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
    31 And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat: (plural Peter and his successors)
    32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.

    Lk 22:32 Christ prayed for Peter!

    Peter is head of the church on earth in the place of Christ until His return!

    Isa 22:21-22 21 And I will clothe him with thy robe, and strengthen him with thy girdle, and I will commit thy government into his hand: and he shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and to the house of Judah.

    22 And the key of the house of David will I lay upon his shoulder; so he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open.

    Matt 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

    Matt 23:1 power and authority of the kingdom known in the keys and binding and loosing, Matt 21:43 kingdom shall be taken from you given to another who will bear fruit. (Peter the apostles in holy church Lk 22:29)

    Matt 17:27 Jesus identified peter with himself.

    Matt 16:17 Peter alone received revelation from the Father

    Lk 22:32 Peter to strengthen his brethren (the apostles)

    Jn 21:17 feed my sheep

    Peter exercises his authority over the apostles and the church!

    Acts 1:15
    Acts 3:4
    Acts 5:5 5:10
    Acts 15:7

    ONLY TO PETER CHRIST SAID: THOU ART PETER AND UPON THIS ROCK I WILL BUILT MY CHURCH, AND THE GATES OF HELL SHALL NOT PREVAIL AGAINST IT!Matt 16:18

    Peter is the prime minister, father, and head of the church on earth until Christ returns Isa 22:21-22

    Seat of peter remains Until Christ returns
    Matt 28:19-20


    Matthew 5:14
    Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.


    Rom 14:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

    4 important questions:

    1) How do you govern the church and administer the kingdom with a confession?

    2) How do you give jurisdictional authority to a confession? (Keys of the kingdom)

    3) How do you give a confession the power to bind and loose?

    4) why did Christ give the keys to Peter (and only to Peter) keys of jurisdictional authority. Isa 22:21-22 why even bother to mention Peter if he is not involved?

    Explain Jn 20:21 Peter and the apostles and their successors have the same mission, ministry, power, and authority as Christ! “As the father sent me, so I send you”!

    Matt 28:19 christ communicates his authority to peter and the apostles to teach all nations, baptize all disciples!
    Jn 20:21-23 apostles even have authority to forgive sins
    Eph 2:20 church built on the apostles
    Matt 23 the authority and power of the successors of Moses required to be obeyed are taken from them and given to Peter and the apostles

    Jn 21:17
    Peter commanded to Feed my sheep:

    2 Tim 3: 8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
    (Protestants, fundamentalists, etc.)

    Christ and His church are one!
    God cannot reveal error and the church cannot teach error!

    True Christians cannot listen to the errors of excommunicated heretics like luther, calvin, etc. but we listen faithfully to Christ, in the bosom of holy mother church, the only ark of salvation!






    Questions about Jesus, Peter, and the keys!

    How can Jesus be the builder and the church being built?

    If Christ is the rock:

    1) Why does Christ even mention Peter?

    2) Why did Christ change Peter’s name? (Indicating an office or ministry, similar to Abram & Jacob)

    3) Why did Christ give the keys to Peter? (and only to Peter) keys of jurisdictional authority. (Refer to Isa 22:21-22)

    4) Why does Christ identify peter with himself! Matt 17:27
    Where is the coin for the other apostles?

    5) Why is Peter commanded to feed Christ’s sheep (the other apostles) and the lambs? (The people)
    Jn 21:17

    If Peter’s confession is the rock:

    1) How do you govern the church and administer the kingdom with a confession?

    2) How do you give jurisdictional authority to a confession? (Keys of the kingdom)

    3) How do you give a confession the power to bind and loose?


    Christ is the Head of the Church.The Pope sits on His seat (position) on earth not in place of Christ as it's Head, but as an indication of his primacy among men living, his honor as governor (for Christ)and his jurisdiction, as the leader of the Church in this realm. Governing a realm, being given a jurisdiction by the King is not replacing the King.
     
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