Genesis : Trinity

[Behold]

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Notice in the verses i posted below, these 2 words...

1.) US

2.) OUR

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New International Version
Then God said, “Let US make mankind in OUR image,
New Living Translation
Then God said, “Let US make human beings in OUR image,
English Standard Version
Then God said, “Let US make man in OUR image,
Berean Standard Bible
Then God said, “Let US make man in OUR image,
King James Bible
And God said, Let US make man in OUR image,
New King James Version
Then God said, “Let US make man in OUR image
New American Standard Bible
Then God said, “Let US make mankind in OUR image,
NASB 1995
Then God said, “Let US make man in OUR image,
NASB 1977
Then God said, “Let US make man in OUR image,
Amplified Bible
Then God said, “Let US make man in OUR image
Christian Standard Bible
Then God said, “Let US make man in OUR image,
Holman Christian Standard Bible

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Now, Us + Our..
How many is that?
How many?
It at least 2.

So, this is BEFORE Adam was created and before Jesus became a man, and its when Christ was Pre-incarnate as the "WORD", in John 1.

Now, If God is "us", then who is "OUR"?
This can't be 2 Gods, so it has to be 2 manifestations of the Same Deity.

Think now....
In Heaven with God, before Adam was made on earth, and after Lucifer was cast out.....who is still in heaven ?
There is only the Host of heaven, which are the Angels, both higher level and lower, and God, as = "OUR and "US".
So, why can't the "Us" and the "Our" be talking about the Host of Heaven, the angels, and the Seraphim's and the Cherubim's?

A.) Because these are created beings, not made in the image of God, who do not have any power to CREATE anything.

And the verse said..."let US ...= MAKE".

See that? 'MAKE", and that means the "us" and the "our" both have the power of Creation.
Angels, and the Host of heaven, DO NOT have any creative power, so, they can't be the 'US or the OUR" who Do have the power of Creation and thus can 'MAKE"....everything.

So who did ?

Do you recall that Jesus has the power to do MIRACLES?
That is the Power of Creation, that He had as the God Man on earth.
And before He became the God Man, as the Word made Flesh, He had no BODY in Heaven and was the WORD who IS God. John 1.
So, there is your '"" OUR and US""""....... Its God and the pre-incarnate WORD, who is Christ.
He, the Word of God, was later manifested in a Virgin's womb as the Son of Man, the 2nd Adam, Jesus The Lord.
And who is the LORD in the Old Testament?
Its God.

God was manifested IN The Flesh and caused this... John 1:10

And this... Colossians 1:16

Jesus said... '""baptize them in the Name of"" :

1.) The Father
2.) The Son
3.) The Holy Spirit.

That's 3 = Trinity


There is your "our and us" that you find in : Genesis.... = Trinity

 

[Matthias]

To be made in the image of God is to be made godlike. Angels and human beings are godlike.

There is only one God and he is identified in scripture as “the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.”

 

[Behold]

To be made in the image of God is to be made godlike. Angels and human beings are godlike.

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Do you own a bible?
Read Genesis....Its says 'MAN" was made in OUR Image
Man is not an Angel.
It does not SAY that "Angels" were made in our Image.
So, if you want to make things up that are not found in a BIBLE, to support your opinion or cult, then help yourself, Matthias.

 

[Matthias]

Do you own a bible?
Read Genesis....Its says 'MAN" was made in OUR Image
Man is not an Angel.
It does not SAY that "Angels" were made in our Image.
So, if you want to make things up that are not found in a BIBLE, to support your opinion or cult, then help yourself, Matthias.

“The fact that this is one of the rare times where ha elohim, God, the God, has a plural verb, the fact that occurs, says nothing in terms of the nature of God. You have grammatical peculiarities all through the torah, and all through the Hebrew Bible and, and grammatical anomalies. That, that just happens with ancient languages and dialects, and, and even transmission of texts and things like that. So to try to read something into it is, is to really butcher the Hebrew to be honest. It’s to butcher the larger context and it’s to try to take a grammatical anomaly now to, to make a mountain over something that’s like a grain of sand.”

 

[Matthias]

“Spiritual Beings … Image of God Too?

One may quickly dismiss such an intriguing question without much thought by claiming the Bible doesn’t say angels were created with ‘the image of God.’ However, a quick dismissal may be unwise. After all, the Scriptures do not say they weren’t created with the image of God either. The Bible doesn’t give us extensive background about angels since it’s focus is on mankind, but we can examine what it does tell us about angels in attempting to answer the question.

Consider a few of these characteristics and see how Scripture ascribes them to spiritual beings. While many examples can be found in Scripture, a couple should suffice for each. …

Conclusion

Since the Bible doesn’t say whether spiritual beings are made in the image of God, we can only infer from Scripture. Of the many attributes Christians often cite as distinctions between mankind and animals as evidence man is made in the image of God, these same attributes are found in heavenly beings.”

(Bodie Hodge, “Were Angels Created in the Image of God?”)

Were Angels Created in the Image of God?

 

[Matthias]

“Christians have traditionally seen [Genesis 1:26] as adumbrating the Trinity. It is now universally admitted that this was not what the plural meant to the original author.”

(Gordon J. Wenham, Word Biblical Commentary on Genesis, Vol. 1, p. 27)

 

[Behold]

It’s to butcher the larger context and it’s to try to take a grammatical anomaly now to, to make a mountain over something that’s like a grain of sand.”

Don't Post cult videos on my Thread.
Post them on yours.
Thx.

Now look again.

JESUS, said...

Baptize them in the :

1.) Name of the Father
2.) The Son
3.) The Holy Ghost

Why?
Because these 3, are ONE.

Jesus said... "if you've seen me, you've SEEN the FATHER".

Why? Because its True.

 

[Matthias]

Don't Post cult videos on my Thread.
Post them on yours.
Thx.

Now look again.

JESUS, said...

Baptize them in the :

1.) Name of the Father
2.) The Son
3.) The Holy Ghost

Why?
Because these 3, are ONE.

Jesus said... "if you've seen me, you've SEEN the FATHER".

Why? Because its True.

Dr. Brown is a well known trinitarian scholar. The video is a clip from his call-in radio program, “Line of Fire”. You stand refuted by trinitarian scholarship.

 

[Behold]

Dr. Brown is a well known trinitarian scholar. The video is a clip from his call-in radio program, “Line of Fire”. You stand refuted by trinitarian scholarship.

Lucifer is a well known devil.
Ted Bundy is a well know murderer.
Stalin is a well known mass murderer.
Ice Tea is a well known beverage
The Color blue is a well known favorite color.

"well known" is meaningless, "scholarship" is meaningless when its used to try to prove someone's authority, as all Cult's try to do this to attempt to validate their Lies.
Also, when a forum member can't prove their nonsense they post a video or some stupid cartoon.

Listen....The Devil is smarter than any scholar, and knows the bible better then any of us.
He's still a LIAR.
Understand?

So, Listen to Jesus instead.

Baptize them in the name of the :

FATHER
SON
HOLY GHOST

Why? Because they are EQUAL, being "ONE".
This is not hard to understand, once you stop being led down the rabbit hole by "scholars", who are deceived.

 

[Matthias]

Lucifer is a well known devil.
Son of Same is a well know murderer
Ice Tea is a well known beverage
The Color blue is a well known favorite color.

"well known" is meaningless, when its used to try to prove someone's authority, as all Cult's try to do this to prove their Lies.


Listen to Jesus instead.

Baptize them in the name of the :

FATHER
SON
HOLY GHOST

Why? Because they are EQUAL, being "ONE".
This is not hard to understand, once you stop being led down the rabbit hole by "scholars", who are deceived.

If you don’t find trinitarian scholarship persuasive then don’t believe it. In regard to Genesis 1:26, I’m persuaded by the trinitarian scholars I quoted. I’m not not persuaded by you. You’ve chosen tradition over and against original context.

 

[Behold]

If you don’t find trinitarian scholarship.

The Holy Spirit and the word of God, providing the light of revelation is the only scholarship that a real believer will want or need.
Paul is the true Scholarship......Pauline Theology.
The rest, is just Teaching.
Im a called minister, who teaches, and ive had a lot of training in manuscript evidence, same as any "scholar".
Its "moot".

"Scholarship" is invented to attempt to set itself above the word of God, and the "average" person.
That's why it exists..

"Listen to us, we are scholars".. "kneel".

A.) And a "scholar" can be a devil led liar who has more Degrees then a Thermometer ...

The truth is, Christ is the revealer and scholars are just people, nothing more.... and many of them are dumb as bricks.
They are literally educated beyond their Intelligence.
See, to become a scholar is just based on a lot of study....and Study is not truth, its just study.
Most Scholars study what they are taught to believe.
Think on that.....

The TRUTH is Jesus, John 14:6..... and "thy word is Truth", which is the Holy Bible.
The Bible says ..."Let US create man in OUR Image" and you dont like that Truth, and neither do a lot of hell bound "scholars".

 

[Matthias]

“So, listen to Jesus instead.”

That’s an excellent suggestion.

Jesus himself is a Jewish monotheist, not a trinitarian. His God is the Father, not the Trinity.

By definition and by practice, Jesus himself is a unitarian.

The trinitarian scholars I’ve quoted, and many, many more that I could, are consistent and compatible with Jesus’ Jewish monotheism.

 

[Matthias]

The Holy Spirit and the word of God, providing the light of revelation is the only scholarship that a real believer will want or need.
Paul is the true Scholarship......Pauline Theology.
The rest, is just Teaching.
Im a called minister, who teaches, and ive had a lot of training in manuscript evidence, same as any "scholar".
Its "moot".

"Scholarship" is invented to attempt to set itself above the word of God, and the "average" person.
That's why it exists..

"Listen to us, we are scholars"..
A.) And you can be a devil led liar.

The truth is, Christ is the revealer and scholars are just people, nothing more.... and many of them are dumb as bricks.
See, to become a scholar is just based on a lot of study. Study is not truth, its just study.

The TRUTH is Jesus, and "thy word is Truth", which is the bible.
The Bible says ..."Let US create man in OUR Image" and you dont like that Truth, and neither do a lot of hell bound "scholars".

I’ll stand up for and defend the integrity of the trinitarian scholars you’re assailing.

I’m persuaded by their teaching on the passage, not by your opinion.

Read everything thoughtfully and critically.

 

[Taken]

Genesis : Trinity



US, OUR, (I and my father ARE ONE Jn 10:30)

Gen 1
[1] ...Created.............. WILL.......Yahweh.... Father.........God
[2] ...Spirit.................. POWER....Christ.......Holy Spirit...Almighty
[3] ...Said................... WORD.....Jesus........Son.............Lord


Gen 1
[1] In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
[2] And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
[3] And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Behold]

I’ll stand up for and defend the integrity of the trinitarian scholars you’re assailing.

I’m persuaded by their teaching on the passage, not by your opinion.

1.) US

2.) OUR

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New International Version
Then God said, “Let US make mankind in OUR image,
New Living Translation
Then God said, “Let US make human beings in OUR image,
English Standard Version
Then God said, “Let US make man in OUR image,


And the verse said..."let US ...= MAKE".

See that? 'MAKE", and that means the "us" and the "our" both have the power of Creation.
Angels, and the Host of heaven, DO NOT have any creative power, so, they can't be the 'US or the OUR" who Do have the power of Creation and thus can 'MAKE"....everything.

So who did ?

Do you recall that Jesus has the power to do MIRACLES?
That is the Power of Creation, that He had as the God Man on earth.
And before He became the God Man, as the Word made Flesh, He had no BODY in Heaven and was the WORD who IS God. John 1.
So, there is your '"" OUR and US""""....... Its God and the pre-incarnate WORD, who is Christ.

 

[Matthias]

1.) US

2.) OUR

-
New International Version
Then God said, “Let US make mankind in OUR image,
New Living Translation
Then God said, “Let US make human beings in OUR image,
English Standard Version
Then God said, “Let US make man in OUR image,


And the verse said..."let US ...= MAKE".

See that? 'MAKE", and that means the "us" and the "our" both have the power of Creation.
Angels, and the Host of heaven, DO NOT have any creative power, so, they can't be the 'US or the OUR" who Do have the power of Creation and thus can 'MAKE"....everything.

So who did ?

Do you recall that Jesus has the power to do MIRACLES?
That is the Power of Creation, that He had as the God Man on earth.
And before He became the God Man, as the Word made Flesh, He had no BODY in Heaven and was the WORD who IS God. John 1.
So, there is your '"" OUR and US""""....... Its God and the pre-incarnate WORD, who is Christ.

1.) US

2.) OUR

-
New International Version
Then God said, “Let US make mankind in OUR image,
New Living Translation
Then God said, “Let US make human beings in OUR image,
English Standard Version
Then God said, “Let US make man in OUR image,


And the verse said..."let US ...= MAKE".

See that? 'MAKE", and that means the "us" and the "our" both have the power of Creation.
Angels, and the Host of heaven, DO NOT have any creative power, so, they can't be the 'US or the OUR" who Do have the power of Creation and thus can 'MAKE"....everything.

So who did ?

Do you recall that Jesus has the power to do MIRACLES?
That is the Power of Creation, that He had as the God Man on earth.
And before He became the God Man, as the Word made Flesh, He had no BODY in Heaven and was the WORD who IS God. John 1.
So, there is your '"" OUR and US""""....... Its God and the pre-incarnate WORD, who is Christ.

What did the passage mean to Moses?

 

[Behold]

What did the passage mean to Moses?

"Trinity"

1.) US

2.) OUR

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New International Version
Then God said, “Let US make mankind in OUR image,
New Living Translation
Then God said, “Let US make human beings in OUR image,
English Standard Version
Then God said, “Let US make man in OUR image,


God and the Word, John 1, who is Jesus pre-incarnate.... are the 'OUR, and the "US"< and the literal power of the creative act was performed by The Holy Spirit.

"Us <> OUR" is 2... .and the Holy Spirit is the 3rd.


"Trinity"

 

[Matthias]

"Trinity"

1.) US

2.) OUR

-
New International Version
Then God said, “Let US make mankind in OUR image,
New Living Translation
Then God said, “Let US make human beings in OUR image,
English Standard Version
Then God said, “Let US make man in OUR image,


God and the Word, are the 'OUR, and the "US"< and the literal power of the creative act was performed by The Holy Spirit.

"Us <> OUR" is 2... .and the Holy Spirit is the 3rd.


"Trinity"

Moses isn’t a trinitarian.

 

[Behold]

Moses isn’t a trinitarian.

Moses just wrote it down.
He didnt make it up.

So, unless you have had a conversation with Moses, and maybe you have....... but if not, then just notice...

"Trinity"

1.) US

2.) OUR

-
New International Version
Then God said, “Let US make mankind in OUR image,
New Living Translation
Then God said, “Let US make human beings in OUR image,
English Standard Version
Then God said, “Let US make man in OUR image,


God and the Word, John 1, who is Jesus pre-incarnate.... are the 'OUR, and the "US"< and the literal power of the creative act was performed by The Holy Spirit.

"Us <> OUR" is 2... .and the Holy Spirit is the 3rd.


"Trinity"

 

[Matthias]

Moses just wrote it down.
He didnt make it up.

The passage had meaning to Moses.

So, unless you have had a conversation with Moses, and maybe you have....... but if not, then just notice...

"Trinity"

1.) US

2.) OUR

-
New International Version
Then God said, “Let US make mankind in OUR image,
New Living Translation
Then God said, “Let US make human beings in OUR image,
English Standard Version
Then God said, “Let US make man in OUR image,


God and the Word, John 1, who is Jesus pre-incarnate.... are the 'OUR, and the "US"< and the literal power of the creative act was performed by The Holy Spirit.

"Us <> OUR" is 2... .and the Holy Spirit is the 3rd.


"Trinity"

Moses is a Jew.