Just ask them if they believe that "only Jesus" is in Heaven, there is no "Father" there also.
That is the CULT. = "Jesus only".
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Just ask them if they believe that "only Jesus" is in Heaven, there is no "Father" there also.
That is the CULT. = "Jesus only".
Here you go.
From their site.
Statement of Faith
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The Nature of God
We believe in one sovereign God, existing in three persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit, perfect in holiness, infinite in wisdom, unbounded in power and measureless in love; that God is the source of all creation and that through the immediate exercise of His power all things came into being.
The Father
We believe that God the Father is the author of eternal salvation, having loved the world and given His Son for its redemption.
The Son
We believe that Jesus the Messiah was eternally pre-existent and is co-equal with God the Father; that He took on Himself the nature of man through the virgin birth so that He possesses both divine and human natures. We believe in His sinless life and perfect obedience to the Law; in His atoning death, burial, bodily resurrection, ascension into heaven, high-priestly intercession and His personal return in power and glory.
The Holy Spirit
We believe that the Holy Spirit is co-equal and co-eternal with the Father and the Son; that He was active in the creation of all things and continues to be so in providence; that He convicts the world of sin, righteousness and judgment, and that He regenerates, sanctifies, baptizes, indwells, seals, illumines, guides and bestows His gifts upon all believers.
I have been in contact with them. At the time, most of their members were never Jews.
You’re living in Israel now. Have you any observation on the state of relationship between trinitarian and unitarian branches of Messianic Judaism? I’ve met and dined with one of the leaders in the unitarian branch (Uri Marcus).
I definitely didn’t have Jews For Jesus in mind.
Then you don't have Messianic Jews in mind.
You have unsaved Hebrews in mind.
GEN2REV
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Can you find any evidence that they accepted THAT command?
That's kinda the point of my statement.
WHY wouldn't they accept a command from Jesus?
They either disobeyed His command or the command was never given, but what we know for certain is that there is no record whatsoever of them following that command. On the contrary, they proceeded forward in a totally different way.
How does that align with the Bible as a whole at all?
It doesn't.
That means something is wrong with that verse. Be it translation or malicious corruption.
It was my concern. He provided the answer I was looking for. You entered the discussion by responding to a question I asked someone. I’m having the discussion with you which I was looking for with him.
GEN2REV
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You forgot to include proof that any of them accepted that.
A verse showing them obeying, maybe?
Well, there are always exceptions to the rule.
And, Im not RICH-R, who only uses what "modern scholarship teaches him to think and say".... and This is why you never ever ever see me on any Christian forum, or in any church building, saying...>"but this group says".....and "this scholarship said"... "and the original greek says'...
I dont use any of that nonsense, Wrangler.
I have Paul, and a New Testament, and im "In Christ", so, the bible is open to my spirit, and so, that is what a believer is supposed to have as their understanding.
I am a Bible believer.
I believe the Holy Bible is my Final authority, and Paul is my ultimate teacher, instructed by the Holy Spirit.
Jesus is my Lord and Savior.
All of this works as my one true "scholarship", tho, im seminary trained.
I remember. We’ve discussed that before.
As for me, I know for certain what I had (and have) in mind. You thought in this instance that you knew what I had in mind, but you were mistaken.
GEN2REV
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The command in question is Matthew 28:19 about HOW to baptize.
I stated that none of the Apostles obeyed.
You questioned that.
Are you getting confused with this line of discussion or .... ?
I'm not trinitarian so why are you bringing up trinitarians?
Messianic Jews believe Jesus is the Christ Messiah.
Messianic Jews also typically continue to observe Jewish festival days.
God Himself;
God IN Heaven; His Kingdom; His Throne;
God Serves Himself; Gods Will Effected;
God ON Earth; His Footstool; Purposed IN Himself;
Gods Power; His Spirit; His Glory;
Gods Spirit (Can be) WITH us; or IN us; or Reflective UPON us.
Numerous Names, Titles, Descriptions...
Omnipresent, Omnipotent, Omniscient...
God purposed IN Himself, Sent, His Truth, His Life, His Word, His WayGod Said would BE TO Him...”A Son”, on Gods Footstool, as a Servant, in the Likeness “AS a Jewish man”, OF the House of David.
ONLY someone OF the House of David CAN SIT on King Davids Earthly Throne, WHICH God Established AS AN Everlasting Throne.
Jesus, AS a Son of David, is as well A Son of Abraham, thus, Jesus IS an heir of Abraham, Entitled to Abrahams Promised LAND. Jesus fulfilled these Prophecies, and thus His Earthly Kingdom awaits His Return for Jesus’ millennial Reign, AS the Son of man Returns WITH POWER, who IS The Christ. Thus He shall reign With His saints, as KING of (Nations kingdoms, of king humans, NOT destroyed during the Trib...ie the remnant). Expressly VOID of Evil spirits.
Human Men FAILED, OT men, NT men, Worldly men...
Jesus, IN the Likeness AS a man, (God purposed IN Himself), To EFFECT His Will Be DONE, on Earth as it IS IN Heaven.
It’s ABOUT KNOWING the WISDOM that everything that IS IN God, IS God. Everything That comes forth out from God Remains IN and WITH God.
Human men, DID NOT come out from God. Gods Word came forth out from Gods Mouth, and God Named His Word JESUS.
Eph 1:
[9] Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
I could go on and on and on.
Messianic Jews believe Jesus is the Christ Messiah.
Messianic Jews also typically continue to observe Jewish festival days.
God Himself;
God IN Heaven; His Kingdom; His Throne;
God Serves Himself; Gods Will Effected;
God ON Earth; His Footstool; Purposed IN Himself;
Gods Power; His Spirit; His Glory;
Gods Spirit (Can be) WITH us; or IN us; or Reflective UPON us.
Numerous Names, Titles, Descriptions...
Omnipresent, Omnipotent, Omniscient...
God purposed IN Himself, Sent, His Truth, His Life, His Word, His WayGod Said would BE TO Him...”A Son”, on Gods Footstool, as a Servant, in the Likeness “AS a Jewish man”, OF the House of David.
ONLY someone OF the House of David CAN SIT on King Davids Earthly Throne, WHICH God Established AS AN Everlasting Throne.
Jesus, AS a Son of David, is as well A Son of Abraham, thus, Jesus IS an heir of Abraham, Entitled to Abrahams Promised LAND. Jesus fulfilled these Prophecies, and thus His Earthly Kingdom awaits His Return for Jesus’ millennial Reign, AS the Son of man Returns WITH POWER, who IS The Christ. Thus He shall reign With His saints, as KING of (Nations kingdoms, of king humans, NOT destroyed during the Trib...ie the remnant). Expressly VOID of Evil spirits.
Human Men FAILED, OT men, NT men, Worldly men...
Jesus, IN the Likeness AS a man, (God purposed IN Himself), To EFFECT His Will Be DONE, on Earth as it IS IN Heaven.
It’s ABOUT KNOWING the WISDOM that everything that IS IN God, IS God. Everything That comes forth out from God Remains IN and WITH God.
Human men, DID NOT come out from God. Gods Word came forth out from Gods Mouth, and God Named His Word JESUS.
Eph 1:
[9] Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
I could go on and on and on.
If @Behold has any questions I’ll leave it to him to ask them.
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