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  1. charity

    charity Well-Known Member

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    Hello there,

    In the light of the tremendous fires that have raged, and are raging in the USA and that have also wreaked havoc in Australia. Have sceptics regarding global warming had to re-evaluate their thinking on this issue?

    With the decreasing population of creatures on our planet because of the loss of their natural habitat, caused by deforestation and the encroachment of man. The increase in the rise of the water in the oceans caused by the ice caps melting. The increasing problem with refugees fleeing war, famine, flood, seeking safety and a chance to live their lives peacefully, and without fear. The effect of the global pandemic on economies throughout the world. There are so many issues arising, can people continue to bury their heads in the sands, refuse to look at the causes and consequences, and not seek to find the means of combating these effects on a global scale, by cooperation between nations.

    Any thoughts.
    In Christ Jesus
    Chris
     
  2. Candidus

    Candidus Well-Known Member

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    I have not re-evaluated God's Hand on sinful people. God is punishing the sinners.

    Notice where the Hurricane hit the USA, the fires are in Liberal God-hating Oregon, Washington and California. The anarchy and burning and looting are in Liberal God-hating Cities that revel in their perversions.
    Is this not more rational than blaming people or the weather?

    Weather always changes. Climates always evolve. It has nothing to do with what humans are doing. We can go back to living in the Stone Age and it will not change the Climate in the least! Only the natural cyclical changes in climate will continue to evolve, or God's hand will change it.

    I remember standing in the middle of the desert in Iraq near the alleged ancient city of UR and picking up sea shells. At one time, either by the Flood or by a previous ocean floor changed by climate, and no water to be found... we know that something had changed. Did mankind or Cow farts do it?

    The fires in America are as severe as they are in recent years, because of "Global Warming" Alarmists have changed the Laws that you cannot clear lumber or the undergrowth (sometimes up to 10 feet of dead debris) in the name of "Environmentalism." It is a disastrous policy with unintended consequences.

    Most of the fires are suspected to be arson... intentional and unintentional. There is ZERO evidence that any of these fires are caused by Climate Change.

    When I worked at the National Weather Service in the 1980's, and the claim of "Global Warming" was foisted upon the public, the consensus was that it was a joke. That is... until the Government offered big money to do tests and "study" Global Warming. Early on, if the tests did not validate the theory, they never received another Grant. After the first year, people understood that their study had to confirm the bias, or they would never get another Government Grant. The guys I knew that received those grants and used anything they could to confirm the bias, yet when you discussed what they put on paper, they would laugh and tell you that the theory was a joke!

    There is no Government Grant to "not find" Climate Change!
     
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    charity Well-Known Member

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    Hello @Candidus,

    With respect, I do not believe that what is happening is the result of God's Judgment, for the Lord has not returned as Judge. So we are still living in the day of salvation, or of grace(2 Corinthians 6:2): the door is still open for mankind to seek after God and find Him.

    Thank you
    In Christ Jesus
    Chris
     
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    Yes, I find it strange that so few people seem to be paying attention. The world seems more captivated by what President Trump tweets.

    The hurricane season is unusually active as well. Some people think we may run out of letters of the alphabet to name them with.

    The permafrost in Canada and Russia is melting. One city in Canada is built on permafrost. What to do? Do you relocate everyone, or do you try to do something to help make bogs able to support the buildings somehow? There was a terrible oil spill in Russia too in June, and that was because the permafrost melted.

    Oil spill caused by melting permafrost tied to Russian arctic emergency.

    Melting permafrost caused a fuel tank holding 21,000 tons of diesel oil to collapse in Russia's Arctic Circle, leading to a 135-square mile oil spill.

    According to Rosprirodnadzor, the Federal Service for Supervision of Natural Resources, 6,000 tons spilled onto the ground, another 15,000 tons into the water. Oil products got into the Ambarnaya and Daldykan rivers and in almost all their tributaries. . . .

    Greenpeace has already called the spill the first accident of such a large scale in the Arctic. The organization believes that damage to water bodies alone from a diesel spill in Norilsk could amount to more than $85 million.

    A diesel fuel storage tank failed when the permafrost it was built on began to soften. As a result of damage to the tank, fuel spilled onto the roadway and a passing car caught fire.

    “The accident was caused by a sudden sinking of supporting posts in the basement of the storage tank,” the company said in a statement.

    Most of the states of Delaware and Florida are close to sea level. I heard on the news today that Delaware is suing oil companies because the rising water level.

    What I don't understand is why do people rebuild in places known to be bad and expected to get worse? The federal government in the US often foots much of the bills; but how much more of that can we afford? I could see paying people the value of their homes, but I think they should be told they can't get more government help if they rebuild in the same disaster-prone areas.

    Refugees? Some people are so adverse to having refugees they think it's a good idea to send food and other aid into areas with famine caused by the climate getting worse. You can save lives by doing that; but then those people have children who face the same or bigger problems later. That's not a solution. That's creating future famines; but no one wants the refugees.
     
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    Hi Charity,

    I have two thoughts:

    The first is counter intuitive -- Wild Fires Are Good. And I say "good" in the sense that we've had a LOT of fires recently in the mountains where I live, and after YEARS of forest neglect because of the "green protesters" which won't allow harvesting lumber, when a fire comes it burns EVERYTHING down to the dirt. And where there's nothing left to burn, when GOD judges the earth by FIRE (the first being by water), we'll have a decreased risk because of all the recent fires.

    The second concerns "global warming". -- Certainly accusations and some evidence is available, but not to the degree in which "GRANTS" are provided for "Research" and then RENEWED if that "Research" shows some "RESULT". So in a LOT of respects, "global warming" is a "cottage industry" which seeks to maintain it's own income. -- And another aspect is MARS. Most people don't know that Mars has polar ice caps which consist of H2O (water) and CO2 (dry ice). And although the available information is almost non existent, there is some suggestion that the polar ice caps on Mars have been receding, which may suggest that "global warming" is due to increased Solar Output from the sun.


    And whatever the contributors, -- global-warming, neglect, lightning, man-caused --, I'd rather have a manageable fire today rather than a fire during a nuclear yield in which there will be NO fire-departments or fire-fighters available. :)

    Bobby Jo
     
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  6. Candidus

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    And why do you think that they named Greenland "Green" Land?

    Because, not as today, it was not 99% ice!

    They used to make wine from the grapes that grew there. Climate changes without the help of mankind.

    Climate Change is a farce! What I mean by that is, when it was "Global Warming" it was a statement that suggested that the Planet was Warming. You could test it. You could study it.

    "Climate Change" is nonsense! Climate ALWAYS changes, and ALWAY has! It is tantamount to saying, "Have you stopped beating your wife?" and making a study out of it! They want something that cannot be gauged with the past, and to use it to instill fear and gain compliance.

    Climate Change is a fictional tool invented by Leftists to make a vehicle for their Communist takeover of the world, and nothing more. If they can make you fear, they can get you to give up yourselves as slave to them and their Communist system. That is what this is all about.

    Green New Deal Would Barely Change Earth’s Temperature. Here Are the Facts.

    How Much Will the 'Green New Deal' Cost? - FactCheck.org

    Back when it was Global Warming, the alarmists predicted that the oceans would rise and the Earth would almost be uninhabitable!

    Sanders Doubles Down On 12 Year Doomsday Clock as AOC Backs Off

    Al Gore's Doomsday Clock Expires & Climate Change Fanatics Are Wrong Again | National Review

    Alexadria Ocasio-Cortez Doomsday Countdown

    major climate changes in history - Bing images
     
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    There are and will be efforts to combat the problems humanity is facing, however, to little effect.
    Not far ahead of us (if I understand the scripture correctly) are worse calamities. They herald the return of Jesus. We are told in advance to watch many times.

    The tricky part is understanding what one is seeing, accurately. Now, this is not just a matter of opinion or point of view.....the direction to watch, to understand, is for the express purpose of not going down the wrong track. And what is the wrong track??
    We are to work this out at the peril of our lives.
     
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    1. "Cooperation between nations" is a TOTAL MYTH.
    2. Climate Change is a HOAX.
    3. The corovirus SCAMDEMIC is a HOAX.
    4. Migrant invasion is a CRIME.
    5. The refugee crisis was a HOAX to insert terrorists.

    Hoax after hoax, and false flag incident after false flag incident are all designed to keep the world in turmoil.

    Here are the facts:

    1. The Soviet Union declared war on America and the West at its inception. Russia has not changed in the least, just superficial label changes.

    2. The Communists had a plan to subvert democracy and freedom in the West, and they have now succeeded.

    3. China declared war on the West since Mao, and they too have succeeded.

    4. Radical Islam declared war on the West since Khomeini, and they too have succeeded.

    5. All the billionaires produced by the USA have committed themselves to the destruction of nations, economies, and peoples. Had they committed their billions to eradicate poverty, diseases, and war, those issues would have been long gone.

    6. The Climate Change Hoax was designed to destroy Western economies. Neither China, nor Russia, nor India, nor any third world country gives a hoot about climate change, and they are the worst polluters.

    7. The Green global activists and the anti-fur activists opposed the proper management of forests and wild life, and they got away with it. Hence all the forest fires around the globe.

    So until the Second Coming of Christ, things will only get worse on this planet, because Satan is the puppet-master behind all the conflict, chaos, and anarchy which we see.

    What should Christians do? Focus on (1) the propagation of the Gospel as never before, and (2) the edification of the saints so that believers are strengthened in the inner man, and false doctrines are exposed as spiritual poison.
     
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    Enoch111 Well-Known Member

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    That is totally incorrect and misleading. Divine judgments will be poured out upon this earth in abundance BEFORE the Second Coming of Christ. The natural disasters which we hear about today are in fact divine judgments and warnings. And these are only the tip of the iceberg.
     
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    ... And PREPARE their households for when they can't BUY or SELL, and won't have Money, or Job, or Food. -- 'Cause their ain't no Tribulation-era "Rapture", just as there wasn't a "Noah's-Flood-Rapture". Sinners will "disappear", but not the Saints -- for BOTH Judgements!


    So GOOD LUCK to those who aren't PREPARING as instructed in Lke 22:35-36.
    Bobby Jo
     
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    This has been reported in the Australian press today. Who can join the dots??
     
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    The Bible points out how and why OT Israel fell. and It's as simple as to understand, a mob came in unawares and worked to undermine the real Jews and led them astray and the Bible points out about the Vineyard story. that's the 1st two things any Christian should know and totally understand in fact.

    Ok why did the Jews fail ? look to the two above the ones who crept in unawares to undermine the Jews ? who were they in fact, well they are the ones in the Vineyard that killed every one of Gods prophets and Jesus as well, Jesus pointed them out in fact.
    The Jews have been lead astray in fact, only a few had faith in Jesus, just like it is with Christians and the narrow Gate.

    Most Christians are being led astray as well by the same mob and that's a fact ! the Gate is not wide ! few will find it, that's what Jesus said.

    The subject of the Jews nowadays is nonsense, Christianity is the only way ! religion will not save you, it never has. Christ Jesus is a relationship one has to him, what is it you are to him ? what does he say to such a one ?

    So who are the Jews nowadays, nothing ! they do not exist, are they worthy of the OT ? not at all. maybe 8% have some points but they are lost, if they truly followed Holy Moses they may have hope, as they then could then come to see who Jesus Christ truly is.

    How about this Mob who lead the whole world astray, do we hear about them and their works, does your Priest point such out ? or are they in fear of in doing such ? you can see their works all around us nowadays, tempting all with just total nonsense in fact. Oh mans works is loved by all carnal people, but it's a cancer ! that's why Jesus Christ came to deal with such, oh you want a cure ! but will not take the medicine.
    Oh what did Jesus say about Sin. the wages of Sin is death !

    Jesus is not a pardon for you to Sin as many claim nowadays. you have to truly be born again to deal with such when it comes your way. it's like oh I recognise this smell and you have a handle on it. now if you do not have a handle on such, then you are floating in the septic tank with such.
     
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    charity Well-Known Member

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    It is so easy when the world pushes a belief or philosophy as "fact," especially "scientific fact." Those words alone are sufficient to shame anyone that might disagree, or influence the unwitting to comply with what their goals are. Currently, there is a hard push on "Critical Race Theory," or as many know what it is, "White Guilt" racism. It is easy when everyone around us complies and looks at you are a bad person or a "racist" if you do not support them. Black Lives Matters has infiltrated Companies and Government with their lies.

    Going along with these things is the easy route. It is natural to accept what people are saying, that the world will end in 10 years if you don't give them what they want. Most people just accept what Media feeds them. They think that they are being told "facts" and "truth" when much of the time it is just very effective yet manipulative propaganda.
     
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    There is no doubt that the Leftist media nad Democrats are now protecting arsonists and criminals -- in fact encouraging them. But there is also another aspect which is equally signifant as in this article below.

    THE WEST ABLAZE
    Wildfires to get worse thanks to Clinton policies, says fire expert who predicted uptick in blazes
    '30 years later, they are still ignoring it'

    Shortly before leaving office in 2001, Clinton limited the ability of the United States Forest Service to thin out a dense thicket of foliage and downed trees on federal land to bring the West into a pristine state, Bob Zybach, an experienced forester with a PhD in environmental science, told the Daily Caller News Foundation. The former president’s decision created a ticking time bomb, Zybach argues...

    ...Such rules make it more difficult to deploy prescribed burns, which are controlled burns designed to cull all of the underbrush in forests to lessen the chance of massive fires, Zybach noted. Years of keeping these areas in their natural state result in dead trees and dried organic material settling on the forest floor, which become like matchsticks soaked in jet fuel during dry seasons, he said.

    Wildfires to get worse thanks to Clinton policies, says fire expert who predicted uptick in blazes

     
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    Proverbs 14:34 Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a shame to any people.

    I know everyone will not agree with me but at the back of most disasters is sin. I am reading a book about the lives of the Children of Israel in their freedom from Egyptian Captivity, their 40 years in the wilderness and the conquoring of Cannan, the promised land. This book shows that when things were good they obeyed the Lord, when things were bad they sined against the Lord.

    When disaster hits, the first question I ask is "Lord, what are you saying?" This earth is his creation and despite the havoc Satan is causing it still is his creation and his to do as he pleases. He will always talk to those who are prepared to listen. If you are not, you won't hear anything. Someone once said "If you have lost touch with God guessed who has moved."

    The Old Testament is one big story of God's provision, support and blessing. All they had to do was what he said to do. If they didn't, watch out. Nothing has changed today as God cannot bless sin or approve of wickedness. Go with God's flow and you have nothing to worry about. Go against his word and instructions and you are asking for trouble.

    So, does righteousness cause all the problems we are having today? NO. Does sin cause all the problems we are having today? YES. God sends the rain on the righteous and the unrighteous, so the uns are benefiting from the righteous. God deals with the sins of his people so the unbelievers are getting a kickback from the sin of God's people.
     
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    As I have said before, I reckon a lot of the warming is actually city centralized, in and around cities, where a lot of pollution is being generated.

    But then I just saw @Giuliano post about the permafrost melting, I did not realize the oil spill was caused as a result of permafrost melting.

    As for the remote arctic circle and Antarctica, we still don't have much recorded weather temperatures throughout history, weather stations around the world are still quite new compared to the age of the earth.

    Here in Australia, snow has melted rather fast this year compared to previous years and the overall snow depth hasn't been all that good this year compared to previous years, snow seasons have been up and down though.

    The Snowy Hydro station keeps good historical record of snow depths back to 1954 high in the Aussie alps.

    Snow Depths - Snowy Hydro

    Is global warming real? I don't 100% know, but I cannot deny that pollution does play a factor in popping up temperatures a bit, but in the recent history of weather recording it does seem to be.

    Also deforestation also can result in a hotter temperature. When you have a canopy of trees over you, it is cooler.

    The Bible even tells us in the last chapter of Jonah.

    Jonah 4:5-8
    So Jonah went out of the city and sat on the east side of the city. There he made himself a shelter and sat under it in the shade, till he might see what would become of the city. And the Lord God prepared a plant and made it come up over Jonah, that it might be shade for his head to deliver him from his misery. So Jonah was very grateful for the plant. But as morning dawned the next day God prepared a worm, and it so damaged the plant that it withered. And it happened, when the sun arose, that God prepared a vehement east wind, and the sun beat on Jonah's head, so that he grew faint. Then he wished death for himself, and said "It is better for me to die than to live."

    In these verses, we see that yes God does have control over the weather, but you can also see what difference the plant providing shade makes.

    When there is deforestation, that shelter, that shade goes, which leads to colder mornings and hotter days. Also to mention trees also provide oxygen and hold moisture.

    Of course though as others have mentioned, undergrowth does need to be cleared too, why are our forests getting so clogged?

    In Australia could it be the culling of brumbies? That's not helping clear up the undergrowth in Australia, and animals are needed to graze and eat clear that undergrowth.

    Or maybe more people need to collect the undergrowth as firewood?

    As we know more people used to keep warm by a fire, not too long ago a large percentage of the world used to cook on fire, more people had livestock, there are still large number of livestock today, but they are not as widespread as it would seem. 150 years ago, even people in little mining villages had horses. And then we can also say, maybe people should be living more spread out across the land, instead of so many people living in the city.

    So it's about finding the right balance, taking care of the land and not abusing the land for large profits, but using only what's needed as it should be.
     
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    Josho Millennial Christian Staff Member

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    Some may even tell you living sustainably and being environmentally friendly is a left wing agenda.

    But in reality the earth really needs to be cleaned up, there's too much wastage and too much man-made pollution.

    We have solar panels, and it's a good thing, clean renewable energy is a good thing. ;)
     
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