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God changed Seventh Day Sabbath Worship to First Day of the Week

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  1. GerhardEbersoehn

    GerhardEbersoehn Well-Known Member

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    Now of everything you have shouted here, how much of it is something - anything - remotely - relevant with Scripture Truth of Jesus Christ Lord God our Saviour having RESURRECTED FROM THE DEAD "IN SABBATH'S TIME IN FULLNESS ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES THE THIRD DAY OF THE PASSOVER OF YAHWEH HE FORETOLD AND PROMISED AND SWORE HE WOULD?
    NOT a thing!
     
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    In perfect synq no doubt -- with one another. Makes perfects sense, ja, it certainly isn't Scripture or truth.
     
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  5. Ziggy

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    TheRoman Catholic Church didn't approve of people Judaising on the Sabbath Day, so they changed the Sabbath to Sunday.
    Sun Day.
    About 100 years before Christianity, Egyptian Mithraists introduced the festival of Sunday, dedicated to worshiping the sun, into the Roman Empire. Later, as Christianity grew, church leaders wished to increase the numbers of the church. In order to make the gospel more attractive to non-Christians, pagan customs were incorporated into the church’s ceremonies. The custom of Sunday worship was welcomed by Christians who desired to differentiate themselves from the Jews, whom they hated because of the Jews’ rejection of the Savior. The first day of the week began to be recognized as both a religious and civil holiday. By the end of the second century, Christians considered it sinful to work on Sunday.

    The Roman emperor Constantine, a former sun-worshiper, professed conversion to Christianity, though his subsequent actions suggest the “conversion” was more of a political move than a genuine heart change. Constantine named himself Bishop of the Catholic Church and enacted the first civil law regarding Sunday observance in A.D. 321.

    On the venerable day of the sun let the magistrate and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed. In the country however, persons engaged in agricultural work may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits; because it often happens that another day is not so suitable for grain growing or for vine planting; lest by neglecting the proper moment for such operations the bounty of heaven should be lost. —Schaff’s History of the Christian Church, vol. III, chap. 75.

    Note that Constantine’s law did not even mention Sabbath but referred to the mandated rest day as a “the venerable day of the sun.” And how kind he was to allow people to observe it as it was convenient. Contrast this with God’s command to observe the Sabbath “even during the plowing season and harvest” (Exodus 34:21)! Perhaps the church leaders noticed this laxity as well, for just four years later, in A.D. 325, Pope Sylvester officially named Sunday “the Lord’s Day,” and in A.D. 338, Eusebius, the court bishop of Constantine, wrote, “All things whatsoever that it was the duty to do on the Sabbath (the seventh day of the week) we (Constantine, Eusebius, and other bishops) have transferred to the Lord’s Day (the first day of the week) as more appropriately belonging to it.”

    Instead of the humble lives of persecution and self-sacrifice led by the apostles, church leaders now exalted themselves to the place of God. “This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world” (1 John 4:3).

    Catholic Church admits they changed the Sabbath to Sunday
     
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  6. GerhardEbersoehn

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    This must be Present Active Tense. Instead of humbling themselves and live the life of the persecuted through sacrifice of self as did the apostles, church leaders now, exalt themselves to the place of God. This, is, the spirit of the antichrist come, seen, and heard, which even now, already is in the world.
    I have been telling the SDA THIS, for over halve a century. YOU have not permitted the name of Gerhard Ebersoehn be MENTIONED IN YOUR ASSEMBLY. YOU have instead condoned and collaborated in EVERYTHING papal catholicism could think up to devise and perform AGAINST healing the damage DONE TO SCRIPTURE during the past 100 years. It now is HISTORY AND FACT nothing will be able to erase or change. All witness is against you the SDA as against Sunday Christianity, whether I am mentioned or acknowledged or rejected and scorned or not. GOD IS MY WITNESS. And it all, simply amounts to the historic Truth that Christ rose from the dead according to the Scriptures the third day of his Passover of Yahweh Suffering, Death Burial and Resurrection Triumph On the Sabbath Day of the Lord of the Sabbath BY THE POWER OF HIS RESURRECTION which I strove to know all my life but my brothers and sisters in Christ have made worse than a bad joke of.
     
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  7. GerhardEbersoehn

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    John Owen
    When the heart is cast indeed into the mold of the doctrine that the mind embraces; when the evidence and necessity of the truth abides in us; when not only the sense of words is in our heads, but the sense of the things abides in our hearts; when we have communion with God in the doctrine we contend for — then shall we be garrisoned, by the grace of God, against all the assaults of men [that is, in controversies]. And without this all our contending is, as to ourselves, of no value. What am I the better if I can dispute that Christ is God, but have no sense or sweetness in my heart from this, that he is a God in covenant with my soul? What will it avail me to demonstrate, by testimonies and arguments, that he has made satisfaction for sin, if, through my unbelief, the wrath of God abides on me, and I have no experience of my own being made the righteousness of God in him — if I find not, in my standing before God, the excellency of having my sins imputed to him and his righteousness imputed to me? Will it be of any advantage to me to profess and dispute that God works the conversion of a sinner by the irresistible grace of his Spirit, if I was never acquainted experimentally with the deadness and utter impotency to good, that opposition to the law of God, which is in my own soul by nature, without the efficacy of the exceeding greatness of the power of God in quickening, enlightening, and bringing forth the fruits of obedience in me? Let us, then, not think that we are any thing the better for our conviction of the truths of the great doctrines of the gospel, for which we contend with men, unless we find the power of the truths abiding in our own hearts, and have a continual experience of their necessity and excellency in our standing before God and in our communion with him. John Owen
     
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    I knew this couldn't be from the one that states plainly how hates Saturday Sabbateurs, rather than Sunday Sabbateers. Which I take mostly to be pseudo-roaring for effect.

    Let us, then, not think that we are any thing the better for our conviction of the truths of the great doctrines of the gospel, for which we contend with men, unless we find the power of the truths abiding in our own hearts

    Unless of course those convictions are found not in Scripture but in one's onw heart only, in which case they are not seed of God but seed of folly.

    This guy, Owen, talks really sweet, and may even be correct, but is just too full of sugar for the plain spoken of Scripture. I.e. what good is it to know all things of Scripture and to be able to dispute mightily in them, of we have not charity.

    And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

    There, much better. Something we can sink our teeth into.
     
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    2Co_4:5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.

    Act 20:30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
     
  10. GerhardEbersoehn

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    <<This guy, Owen>> -- speaking of ignorance pitiable! Though I lack the gift of prophecy, and don't understand mysteries, and have no knowledge, and though I have no faith, so that I could move no grain of sand, but have respect and love for the truly gifted in the understanding, knowledge and faith of Christ as his servant John Owen has, I have something precious far beyond being able to move mountains or have something I could bite my teeth into.
     
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    That's why you or any one of you for that matter, won't place your name with your posts, because you will not have, the reproach and scandal of Christ's Truth!
     
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    GE:

    Jehovah’s witnesses


    "MEET ELLEN WHITE" ~ The most prolific female author in the history of the world.
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    Bragging competitors
     
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  15. Davy

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    Well yes, it is a Biblical FACT... that the early disciples observed the weekly sabbath and then met on the first day of the week.

    John 20:19
    19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, 'Peace be unto you.'
    KJV

    Acts 20:7-8
    7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

    8 And there were many lights in the upper chamber, where they were gathered together.
    KJV

    1 Cor 16:2
    2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

    KJV
     
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    Davy, where have you been? This thread is over 1000 posts long... Those texts you quoted above have been repeatedly quoted by every Sunday keeper on this thread possibly 3 or 4 times each, with each one being responded to with explanations which clearly and scripturally reveal that none of those texts suggest in any way what so ever that the early church regularly and religiously honored the first day of the week as a sacred meeting day. Your post above has been answered numerous times.
     
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    GE:
    Therefore <<we Seventh day Adventists preach not ourselves,>> SAY THEY, the SDA, but GE speaks <<perverse things>>. Say they, GE teaches a <perverse thing>, "HIM The Crucified Who Is RISEN, Who was RAISED FROM THE DEAD "ON THE SABBATH the third day according to the Scriptures". Gerhard Ebersoehn first time ever mentioned by SDA pen, makes Jesus Christ a <perverse thing>!

    Thus the SDA draw away disciples after them and not after Christ, through LYINGLY and LIBELING and BLASPHEMING calling the Risen Lord of the Sabbath a <perverse thing> preached by someone - GE - whose name even they would never as much as hint at or allow be named in their congregations, but rather falsely do accuse -- falsely accuse GE, who does not have a single disciple from anywhere especially not from the SDA, and accuse him of thieving souls away from the Lord Jesus for perdition AS IF IT WERE POSSIBLE!

    At last GE gets what he for so very long has been wishing for, ADMITTANCE from the Seventh day Adventists and their honest and true appreciation of Holy Scripture as well as of the work of the Holy Spirit.
     
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    I guess those Scriptures NEED... to be repeated then, because they DO... show the early disciples met on the 1st day of the week, which is WHERE our Sunday Church meeting tradition originates!

    Jews like to claim the early Church met on Sunday because of corruptions by Rome. No, the early Church (Jewish disciples) came together on Sunday (1st day of the week), BECAUSE the law at that time in Judea REQUIRED they honor the weekly sabbath!

    Disagreement with those facts is simply barking up the wrong tree.
     
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    At least you recognize it is tradition, and not biblically grounded. That's a good start.
     
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    It is... Biblically grounded, for Paul showed when they met to break bread. And not all 'traditions' of the Church are wrong just because of the word 'tradition'.

    2 Thess 2:15
    15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
    KJV
     
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