God In The Holocaust

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January 27 is the official United Nations date for remembering the
Holocaust; but honestly; if I were a Jew, I would much prefer the world not
draw attention to my dirty laundry. Let me explain.

One has to ask, in point of fact there has been more than one rabbi ask:
How is it that so many of Yhvh's people were caught up in the Holocaust?
Where was God during all that? Why didn't He step in and do something to
protect His chosen people?

To find an answer to that question one need look no further than Ex 34:6-7,
Lev 26:3-38, Deut 27:15-26, and Deut 28:1-69. In other words: the Jews,
as a people, brought it on themselves in accordance with the covenant that
their ancestors agreed upon with God as per Deut 29:9-15.

A covenant is essentially a contract. Well; if God were to fail to honor His end
of the agreement; then He would be in breach of contract; which is not only
unethical, but also uncivil. Long story short: the covenant requires Him to
lower the boom on His people for failure to honor their end of the
agreement; and you can see the extent of the damage for yourself in the
scripture references in the above paragraph.

There are numerous blessings that God is contractually obligated to fulfill
too; so the covenant isn't all one-sided; viz: compliance with the covenant
accrues blessings; while breaching the covenant accrues curses. Anybody
who has read the Old Testament can attest that God came down on His own
people quite often for breaching the covenant; and just as often quite
cruelly. The curses that Lev 26:3-38, Deut 27:15-26, and Deut 28:1-69 list
are very disturbing; and when examining them, one cannot help but realize
they're reading a synopsis of Israel's history.

You know; the status of God's chosen people has its advantages; but also its
disadvantages; viz: the status of God's chosen people is not something to be
proud of; but rather, something to be afraid of because the covenant's God
is not the kind of judge influenced by favoritism. No; if anything, Yhvh's
people run the risk of being judged even more severely than Gentiles
because of their privileged position and the insider's knowledge they were
given of His likes and dislikes.

†. Amos 3:1-2 . . Hear this word that Yhvh has spoken against you, O
children of Israel, against the whole family which I brought up from the land
of Egypt, saying: You only have I known of all the families of the earth:
therefore I will punish you for all your iniquities.

Q: Is the world supposed to believe it was the Jews' own fault that they were
rounded up like cattle, stripped of their dignity, their property, their wealth,
and their possessions, enslaved, starved, deprived of basic human
necessities, tortured, subjected to Frankensteinian medical experiments,
worked to death, and gassed, shot, and incinerated by the millions?

A: If the covenant that Yhvh's people agreed upon with God as per Deut
29:9-15 is binding; then yes; the Jews, as a people, are definitely at fault
for what happened to them. There's really no mystery to this: it's all laid
out in black and white at Lev 26:14-38, Deut 27:15-26, and Deut 28:15-69.

Q: God caused an event whose collateral damage led to the deaths of all
those other people too besides the Jews?

A: God stood by and did nothing to prevent a number of His own people
being taken in the Holocaust. In other words: the thing that they brought
upon themselves was the loss of God's providence.

The covenant Yhvh's people agreed upon with God as per Deut 29:9-15
obligates Him to protect them from misfortune when they're compliant with
it; but the same covenant also obligates God to throw them to the wolves
when they're not compliant with it. I think God took advantage of Hitler's
agenda as an opportunity; viz: a convenient means of throwing His people to
the wolves.

It's okay to pity the Jews; but I am confident that letting them off the hook
would make God look unreliable at honoring His commitments. No; when
God makes an agreement with somebody; he keeps it. Human beings can't
be trusted to keep their word; but you will never find God breaking His.

Supposing I'm right; that there is no one to blame for the loss of Jewish life
in the Holocaust but the Jews themselves? If so; then how many of them
would've had to breach the covenant to put them all in so much danger?

Well; it's surprising how few Jews it takes to ruin it for all the rest. For
example the incident at Ai in the 7th chapter of Joshua. The insubordination
of one insignificant Jewish man-- just one --caused God to stop assisting
Joshua's army in battle. As a result, 36 men were needlessly killed in action;
and ultimately capital punishment was inflicted upon not only the
insubordinate man himself, but also his sons and his daughters. God's
accusation? "Israel has sinned" (Josh 7:11)

See that? God didn't accuse the perpetrator; no; He accused Israel. In other
words: in that particular incident; the sin of just one Jew under Joshua's
command became the sin of all the Jews under his command; viz: the whole
kit and caboodle-- lock, stock, and barrel; and Israel could proceed no
further with its conquest of Canaan until the guilty man was executed.

In another Old Testament incident; God lowered the boom on 70,000 Jews.
What did they do to deserve it? Absolutely nothing. The insubordination of
just one Jewish man caused their deaths. King David breached the covenant
that Yhvh's people agreed upon with God as per Deut 29:9-15 by taking a
census. As a result; those 70,000 Jews went to their deaths through no fault
of their own; it was all on David.

I can't imagine what just one Jew would have to do in order to bring about
the deaths of six million of his fellows; but if a whole bunch of them
throughout Europe were breaching the covenant all at the same time, I
guess that could become a sort of force-multiplier.

That's pretty scary when you think about it because more than 50% of the
Jews living in the State of Israel right now today are hiloni (secular). In my
estimation, that's easily enough insubordinate Jews all in one place for God
to justify bringing down the whole country; and then if you combine those
with the number of insubordinate Jews around the rest of the world,
including the USA; now you can appreciate just how insecure Israel's future
really is. In point of fact, that might help explain why Israel hasn't had a
moment's peace; but instead has been in a constant state of war since its
inception back in 1948.

Another possibility is that the generation caught by the Holocaust, was
caught not only due to their own breaches of the covenant, but also due to
breaches committed by generations preceding them.

†. Ex 34:6-7 . . Then Yhvh passed by in front of Moses and proclaimed:
Yhvh, Yhvh God, compassionate and gracious, slow to anger, and abounding
in loving-kindness and truth; who keeps loving-kindness for thousands, who
forgives iniquity, transgression and sin; yet He will by no means leave the
guilty unpunished: visiting the iniquity of fathers on the children and on the
grandchildren to the third and fourth generations.

That statement, by the way, is included in the covenant that Yhvh agreed
upon as per Deut 29:9 15, so God is morally obligated to honor it lest He be
found in breach of contract. But it just goes to show that sins have a way of
snow-balling from one generation to the next till the snowball is so big that it
triggers an act of God; which is really scary because it tells me that it's not
impossible that the Jews of today are endangering the Jews of tomorrow by
their current breaches of the covenant-- breaches that according to
Ex 34:6-7, God will by no means sweep under the rug.

Wouldn't it be awful if the next Holocaust took place right inside the Jews'
own homeland? I sincerely believe that Saddam Hussein's SCUDS were a
wake-up call. Next time; incoming missiles just may contain nuclear
warheads instead of high explosives; and Jacob's people will be poisoned
to death with radiation instead of pesticide.

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Okay, weather or not I agree is beside the point, however, I will give points for an in-depth and analytical perspective. Additional points for interesting and captivating insight. I know a lot of people tend to not want to comment or entertain controversial topics as such. But, it was well written, I can not deny that.
 

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The upside to the Holocaust is its value as historical evidence to prove the
existence of the covenant's God. It is also valuable as historical evidence to
prove that the covenant was still in force for Yhvh's people as recent as the
middle of the last century. True; the covenant is obsolete where Christians
are concerned; but it's still got teeth.

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There is much written on this subject, but even some learned Jewish people say their research indicates this terrible event was a "false flag" operation by the Zionists/Talmudic Jews to get the rest of the world involved in providing a homeland for them, ie Israel in 1948...google Jewish websites and in particular Henry Makow website on this subject and follow the links.
 

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For me your theology is not correct.

First God is not prejadus, the Jewish race is not His chosen people under the new covenant of christ. Covenants have been broken all througout the bible, not by God for He is faithful, but by people.

Christ covenant fulfilled all the law and covenants of past.

Galatians 3

23 Before the way of faith in Christ was available to us, we were placed under guard by the law. We were kept in protective custody, so to speak, until the way of faith was revealed.

24 Let me put it another way. The law was our guardian until Christ came; it protected us until we could be made right with God through faith. 25 And now that the way of faith has come, we no longer need the law as our guardian.

26 For you are all children of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27 And all who have been united with Christ in baptism have put on Christ, like putting on new clothes.

28 There is no longer Jew or Gentile, slave or free, male and female. For you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And now that you belong to Christ, you are the true children of Abraham. You are his heirs, and God’s promise to Abraham belongs to you.
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Those who are grafted in are now part of the family of Abraham, Issac and Jacob. And we are not Israel, for apostle Paul claims there is a remnant of Israel that will be saved.

It is never wise to try and figure out why a person or a group of people's are under extreme suffering, and even suggesting it could be from sin. This is what Jobs friends did and God said they were in great sin for doing so.

Jesus said there will be great suffering on this planet until he returns, wars, earthquakes, famine, death. Jesus says do not worry for I have come and given you hope, that there is a new heaven and earth to come, hang on to Christ for strength, our lives are like morning fog, it's here a little while then gone.....
 

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You are obviously referring to the law of Moses being fulfilled with Jesus..that is the 613 sacrificial, food, festival, circumcision laws written by Moses and given to the people. The law of God, the ten commandments goes on, as Jesus said in Matthew 5, until Heaven and earth pass away and all is fulfilled. it is the moral law for the human race to observe.
 

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So: where do the people of Israel stand today in relation to the covenant
with their God? Not good.

The covenant that Yhvh's people agreed upon with God obligates Him to
preserve peace in the land of Israel when His people are compliant. Well; the
land has been in a state of war with its neighbors since the day of its
inception in 1948 and nobody is safe over there.

The covenant obligates God to make the State of Israel the head rather than
the tail in world politics; so much so that it would not require assistance
from America and/or Great Britain. Today, the State of Israel could not stand
on its own without aid from those two powerful allies.

The covenant also obligates God to restore Israel's borders when they are
compliant. Well; the State of Israel doesn't even have control over the
Temple Mount let alone its borders.

The covenant also obligates God to remove poverty from the State of Israel
when His people are compliant with it. Well; as of 2008, upwards of 20.5%
of Israeli families were living at or below the poverty level. According to a
2010 study by International Living, Israel rates not first, nor even second;
but 47th among the world's countries in regards to standards of living.

The covenant also obligates God to provide the State of Israel with abundant
rain when the people are compliant. Well; were it not for irrigation by means
of ground water and pumping from the Jordan River, Israel's agriculture
would be very desperate indeed. There was a time in Israel's history when
its early rains began in June. Those are now very rare.

Rain falls between September and April, with an uneven distribution across
the country, from 28 inches in the north to less than 1 inch in the south. In
contrast, the average rainfall in Oregon's Willamette valley is near 50 inches.

Today more than half of all Jewish citizens in the State of Israel classify
themselves as hiloni (secular). That's easily enough covenant breakers all in
one place at one time to justify God lowering the boom on the people of
Israel with any number of the tsunami of curses listed at Ex 34:6-7, Lev
26:3-38, Deut 27:15-26, and Deut 28:1-69.

I sincerely believe that the political, civil, economic, and environmental
conditions we're seeing today over in the land of Israel are only a wake-up
call; viz: the worst is yet to come.

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John 14.6...I am the truth the way and the life, NO man comes to the Father but by me..says Jesus....are the Jews exempted? I think not or Jesus would have said it!
 

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I do not believe we will ever understand the evil in the world or the pain that results from the evil - it is not our calling. I believe God is interested in our empathetic response and efforts to care for the injured.
 

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If I was to express attention to a holocaust, it would be the sixty million Christians wiped out by the Jewish Communists of Rabbi Karl Marx and Bronstein and Trotsky and Lenin in Russia. They destroyed our brethren and burned the churches and killed sixty million Christians and confiscated their homes and property. The Jews did that. Why isn't that a topic if we are to be concerned by the mass killings of God's actual chosen people, His sons and daughters, The True Israel Bride of Christ? Perhaps it's because the Jews own all the publishing houses and movie industry and can bend people's sympathies toward them? Them... who are anti-Christ and PRO-themselves?
 

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I don’t think your reasons are the reason the Jews found themselves in a very bad spot in Germany. Europeans in general blamed the jews for their woes more than once. But its coming to a head in WWII I think might be God’s response to the Jews preferring to remain in Germany and Poland and the like because it was better then returning to the land of Israel. In other words, in the Lord’s view if you think it’s better for you to be where you are then, don’t look for me to help you when it gets ugly. Basically He granted their desire. The World Zionist Organization existed before 1900 I do believe and they were dedicated to the Jewish return to Israel and it’s my understanding that many refuse to go. This doesn’t mean this is so, its really just a school of thought considering the way God deals with Israel. It seems to me that the six day war alone shows that the Lord God of Israel is with them being there, and it’s His will that they be there, and not elsewhere. When the Lord God of Israel didn’t want them to be in the land, He let their enemies have their way with them, it’s the same when He wanted them to return, and there were Jewish organizations encouraging them to do so for over 40 years and the Jews refused by the millions, He let their enemies have their way with them.