God is Not the Author of Confusion

[Rocky Wiley]

The confusion of creation explained.

Gen 1 is about the creation of all things by God. It is explained to be done in six days. This everyone agrees, but the debate comes here is the length of those six days. Some say six 24 hour days. Others believe the days to be thousands of years. This, for the one who believes 24 hour days, creates confusion. That is because animal and the bones of man have been found to be many thousands of years old.

Let us not be confused, the time frame is not really important, in one respect, if we just believe that God created all things. The real confusion comes because most believe that the sixth day refers to the man named Adam, not mankind. How could this line of thinking cause confusion?

1. God doesn’t give a name to mankind, just that they were to go into all the world.

2. Gen 2 is not a repeat of Gen 1, just not in the same order.

Let us try to clear up these two points.

In Gen 1, it speaks of creation but in Gen 2 it speaks of forming. One should not think these two words are interchangeable because God intended for us to be able to understand and avoid confusion.

a. Creation is to make something from nothing.

b. Forming is to make something from something else.


In Gen 1 it points out that ‘God’ created man. In Gen 2 it points out that ‘LORD God’ formed Adam from the earth.

a. Since ‘God’ is a plurality it does not have the same meaning as ‘LORD God’. I am not saying there are two different God’s , as we think of God, just that the meanings change.

b. How would a Jewish Rabbi explain the difference? He would tell you that there are many Gods (spirits} but only one ‘LORD God’.

So here is where we are at, God created man on the sixth day and in the seventh day LORD God formed Adam from the earth and Eve from Adam’s rib. May I also point out that on the seventh day LORD God also formed the animals from the field (domestic animals).

In conclusion:

Gen 1 is about the creation of all things.

Gen 2 is about covenant creation. This is the time LORD God made a covenant with Adam and his descendants. Most figure that the time of the covenant until now has been around 7000 years. But from the time God created all things, one can not conclude this without causing:

CONFUSION!

1 Co 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion

 

[Davy]

17th century bishop Ussher began with the time of Christ's birth and followed the begats and years from the Old Testament and plotted God's forming of Adam in His Garden at 4004 B.C. The 19th century British scholar Bullinger did the same and came up with 4004 B.C. for the man Adam. Others later took that 4004 B.C. date to mean the era of God's creation at Genesis 1:1. They then added 2,000 years to it for modern times, and then taught the creation is only around 6,000 years old. That because bishop Ussher couldn't go back any further in The Bible than 4004 B.C. for Adam.

That is how traditions of men get started. They begin from a truth basis, but then get distorted by men's doctrines.

Regardless of carbon dating accuracy, it's not difficult to know that the huge dinosaur bones that have been found reveals God's original creation was very, very ancient, a time long before He formed the man Adam in His Garden. This has nothing to do with theories of evolution, but the ignorant try to infuse that idea because they have a political agenda even against this common sense proof. And some of them are so daft they even push the false idea that dinosaurs are STILL walking around on earth today! and that it's just a matter of finding them!

 

[ChristisGod]

17th century bishop Ussher began with the time of Christ's birth and followed the begats and years from the Old Testament and plotted God's forming of Adam in His Garden at 4004 B.C. The 19th century British scholar Bullinger did the same and came up with 4004 B.C. for the man Adam. Others later took that 4004 B.C. date to mean the era of God's creation at Genesis 1:1. They then added 2,000 years to it for modern times, and then taught the creation is only around 6,000 years old. That because bishop Ussher couldn't go back any further in The Bible than 4004 B.C. for Adam.

That is how traditions of men get started. They begin from a truth basis, but then get distorted by men's doctrines.

Regardless of carbon dating accuracy, it's not difficult to know that the huge dinosaur bones that have been found reveals God's original creation was very, very ancient, a time long before He formed the man Adam in His Garden. This has nothing to do with theories of evolution, but the ignorant try to infuse that idea because they have a political agenda even against this common sense proof. And some of them are so daft they even push the false idea that dinosaurs are STILL walking around on earth today! and that it's just a matter of finding them!

read Job sometimes the dinosaurs lived with man in the original creation in Genesis 1 and the flood destroyed them. Hence the fossil record. carbon dating is a joke, the same carbon dating telling us the Grand Canyon is billions of years old was recreated when Mt St Helens erupted and formed a smaller version of the grand canyon with the same strata layers and had the same carbon dating results as the GC. Also petrified wood was formed instantaneously not millions of years.

next.................

 

[ChristisGod]

The confusion of creation explained.

Gen 1 is about the creation of all things by God. It is explained to be done in six days. This everyone agrees, but the debate comes here is the length of those six days. Some say six 24 hour days. Others believe the days to be thousands of years. This, for the one who believes 24 hour days, creates confusion. That is because animal and the bones of man have been found to be many thousands of years old.

Let us not be confused, the time frame is not really important, in one respect, if we just believe that God created all things. The real confusion comes because most believe that the sixth day refers to the man named Adam, not mankind. How could this line of thinking cause confusion?

1. God doesn’t give a name to mankind, just that they were to go into all the world.

2. Gen 2 is not a repeat of Gen 1, just not in the same order.

Let us try to clear up these two points.

In Gen 1, it speaks of creation but in Gen 2 it speaks of forming. One should not think these two words are interchangeable because God intended for us to be able to understand and avoid confusion.

a. Creation is to make something from nothing.

b. Forming is to make something from something else.


In Gen 1 it points out that ‘God’ created man. In Gen 2 it points out that ‘LORD God’ formed Adam from the earth.

a. Since ‘God’ is a plurality it does not have the same meaning as ‘LORD God’. I am not saying there are two different God’s , as we think of God, just that the meanings change.

b. How would a Jewish Rabbi explain the difference? He would tell you that there are many Gods (spirits} but only one ‘LORD God’.

So here is where we are at, God created man on the sixth day and in the seventh day LORD God formed Adam from the earth and Eve from Adam’s rib. May I also point out that on the seventh day LORD God also formed the animals from the field (domestic animals).

In conclusion:

Gen 1 is about the creation of all things.

Gen 2 is about covenant creation. This is the time LORD God made a covenant with Adam and his descendants. Most figure that the time of the covenant until now has been around 7000 years. But from the time God created all things, one can not conclude this without causing:

CONFUSION!

1 Co 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion

BTY God rested from His creation works so there is no 7th day which God formed adam from the earth. That is a huge contradiction with the rest of Scripture and the Sabbath. That was the 6th day just as God said.

 

[justbyfaith]

I've seen documentaries of explorers who went into deep Africa and found modern-day dinosaurs.

 

[Randy Kluth]

The confusion of creation explained.

Gen 1 is about the creation of all things by God. It is explained to be done in six days. This everyone agrees, but the debate comes here is the length of those six days. Some say six 24 hour days. Others believe the days to be thousands of years. This, for the one who believes 24 hour days, creates confusion. That is because animal and the bones of man have been found to be many thousands of years old.

Let us not be confused, the time frame is not really important, in one respect, if we just believe that God created all things. The real confusion comes because most believe that the sixth day refers to the man named Adam, not mankind. How could this line of thinking cause confusion?

1. God doesn’t give a name to mankind, just that they were to go into all the world.

2. Gen 2 is not a repeat of Gen 1, just not in the same order.

Let us try to clear up these two points.

In Gen 1, it speaks of creation but in Gen 2 it speaks of forming. One should not think these two words are interchangeable because God intended for us to be able to understand and avoid confusion.

a. Creation is to make something from nothing.

b. Forming is to make something from something else.


In Gen 1 it points out that ‘God’ created man. In Gen 2 it points out that ‘LORD God’ formed Adam from the earth.

a. Since ‘God’ is a plurality it does not have the same meaning as ‘LORD God’. I am not saying there are two different God’s , as we think of God, just that the meanings change.

b. How would a Jewish Rabbi explain the difference? He would tell you that there are many Gods (spirits} but only one ‘LORD God’.

So here is where we are at, God created man on the sixth day and in the seventh day LORD God formed Adam from the earth and Eve from Adam’s rib. May I also point out that on the seventh day LORD God also formed the animals from the field (domestic animals).

In conclusion:

Gen 1 is about the creation of all things.

Gen 2 is about covenant creation. This is the time LORD God made a covenant with Adam and his descendants. Most figure that the time of the covenant until now has been around 7000 years. But from the time God created all things, one can not conclude this without causing:

CONFUSION!

1 Co 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion

I'm not sure about all your points, but we may agree at least in part. My view is that the 6 days reflect periods of time as Man may perceive them--as units of time equal to a work day. A day represents a specific set of jobs constituting a "work day" for God. The evening and the morning are, I believe, metaphorical, indicating the beginning and end of a day.

Since the heavenly bodies aren't even created until the 4th day, we don't have a means of the sun and the earth indicating a regular 24-hour "day." It has to be metaphorical, unless the days of creation are detailed explanations of what happened earlier, "in the beginning."

I like your explanation of the difference between "creation" and "formed." I haven't studied the words, but it makes sense.

Elohim does give the one true God a name that in that culture (in which the Bible was written) referred to many gods. But it does not, I believe, indicate that God is a plurality or a Trinity. Rather, He is defined as the one God in place of the concept of a plurality of gods.

 

[Enoch111]

...and in the seventh day LORD God formed Adam from the earth and Eve from Adam’s rib.

Since the Bible clearly says that God rested from all His creative works on the 7th day, you are way out of line. You are manufacturing another creation scenario out of the blue.

And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. (Gen 2:2)

So it looks like Rocky Wiley is the author of confusion in this matter.

 

[Rocky Wiley]

BTY God rested from His creation works so there is no 7th day which God formed adam from the earth. That is a huge contradiction with the rest of Scripture and the Sabbath. That was the 6th day just as God said.

We are still in the 7th day.
2 Peter 3:8 But forget not this one thing, beloved, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
In the bible, if it just says "a thousand" it is a unspecified length of time. If it says one thousand that is what it is. So, in the versa above it is a unknown number of years.

 

[101G]

Let us not be confused, the time frame is not really important, in one respect, if we just believe that God created all things. The real confusion comes because most believe that the sixth day refers to the man named Adam, not mankind. How could this line of thinking cause confusion?

this is another area of contention, lets get it right.

#1. man was not "Formed" on day six........ let that sink in, man was made/FORMED on day three (3). now get this, Mankind was brought forth on day six, (6).

chew on it a bit before you jump the gun so to speak.

#2. as for as the CREATION days goes. well they are not 24hr. days. in order to get a 24hr. day two things need to be in place.
A. the Earth rotating, and B. the Sun shining. which didn't happen until day 4. so a 24hr day is out the window.

to truly understand the CREATION account is to understand chapter 2. which is a detail account of the CREATION in chapter 1.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[Davy]

this is another area of contention, lets get it right.

#1. man was not "Formed" on day six........ let that sink in, man was made/FORMED on day three (3). now get this, Mankind was brought forth on day six, (6).

chew on it a bit before you jump the gun so to speak.

#2. as for as the CREATION days goes. well they are not 24hr. days. in order to get a 24hr. day two things need to be in place.
A. the Earth rotating, and B. the Sun shining. which didn't happen until day 4. so a 24hr day is out the window.

to truly understand the CREATION account is to understand chapter 2. which is a detail account of the CREATION in chapter 1.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

The Hebrew of Genesis 1:26-27 on the 6th day is pointing to both, the creation of the man Adam (eth'ha'aadam), and the races of mankind (aadam).

 

[Enoch111]

#1. man was not "Formed" on day six........ let that sink in, man was made/FORMED on day three (3). now get this, Mankind was brought forth on day six, (6)

Here is another author of confusion. But here is what happened on day 3:

GENESIS 1: THE THIRD DAY OF CREATION
9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed,and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

So unless we are expected to believe that Adam was a blade of grass or a fruit tree, Adam was created on day 6. Neither day 3 nor day 7.

How in the world do people come up with these BIZARRE IDEAS? Is it the phases of the moon, or just general craziness?

 

[Rocky Wiley]

this is another area of contention, lets get it right.

#1. man was not "Formed" on day six........ let that sink in, man was made/FORMED on day three (3). now get this, Mankind was brought forth on day six, (6).

chew on it a bit before you jump the gun so to speak.

#2. as for as the CREATION days goes. well they are not 24hr. days. in order to get a 24hr. day two things need to be in place.
A. the Earth rotating, and B. the Sun shining. which didn't happen until day 4. so a 24hr day is out the window.

to truly understand the CREATION account is to understand chapter 2. which is a detail account of the CREATION in chapter 1.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

I appreciate your knowledge, but Adam and Eve were not told to go and replenish the earth.
There is no mention of domestic animals in Gen 1.
No mention of taking a rib to form woman.
No mention of man naming domestic animals in Gen 1.

Why is it that someone as knowledgeable as you can not grasp the facts. God allowed the angels to make suggestions on creating of mankind. That is why there are different races, certainly not by changes over the years. There was none of this in Gen 2.
Adam and Eve, like it or not, were his chosen people and that is still true today. He has not forsaken them and they will come back.

These things are not salvation issues, so accept them for what they are. Knowledge of God and his people.

 

[marks]

That is because animal and the bones of man have been found to be many thousands of years old.

Is that so?

Or is that the humanist party line?

If you accept this as true, then confusion will certainly result. I don't believe it IS true, myself.

Much love!

 

[101G]

I appreciate your knowledge, but Adam and Eve were not told to go and replenish the earth.
There is no mention of domestic animals in Gen 1.
No mention of taking a rib to form woman.
No mention of man naming domestic animals in Gen 1.

Why is it that someone as knowledgeable as you can not grasp the facts. God allowed the angels to make suggestions on creating of mankind. That is why there are different races, certainly not by changes over the years. There was none of this in Gen 2.
Adam and Eve, like it or not, were his chosen people and that is still true today. He has not forsaken them and they will come back.

These things are not salvation issues, so accept them for what they are. Knowledge of God and his people.

(smile), thanks for the reply. lets take this one point at a time

point #1. "but Adam and Eve were not told to go and replenish the earth". Genesis 1:28 "And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth."

the term "replenish" means, using the Noah Webster's 1828 Dictionary of American English, 1. To fill; to stock with numbers or abundance. 2. To finish; to complete. from these two came all people. scripture, Acts 17:26 "And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;"

Point #2. "There is no mention of domestic animals in Gen 1." you error, Genesis 1:24 "And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so."

Point #3. "No mention of taking a rib to form woman.", you mean in chapter one?. directly to Genesis 1:26? "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."

MAN here is difference from Adam, notice the difference,
H120 אָדָם 'adam (aw-dawm') n-m.
ruddy i.e. a human being (an individual or the species, mankind, etc.).
[from H119]
KJV: X another, + hypocrite, + common sort, X low, man (mean, of low degree), person.

ADAM: H121 אָדָם 'Adam (aw-dawm') n/p.
1. (person) Adam the name of the first man.
2. (location) a place in Israel.
[the same as H120]
KJV: Adam.

in order to get the woman, Jesus took the rib, which is detailed in Genesis 2:21

Point #3. "No mention of man naming domestic animals in Gen 1.". Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."
in order to have dominion over, one need to know who or what he have dominion over. which again prove that Genesis chapter is a "DETAILED" account of Chapter #1.

Point #4. "God allowed the angels to make suggestions on creating of mankind". nope, but if you have some other knowledge that is some where in the bible, please post book chapter and verse to this. but I can answer that, but later on...

Point #5. "That is why there are different races, certainly not by changes over the years. There was none of this in Gen 2." Acts 17:26 "And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;"

Point #6. "Adam and Eve, like it or not, were his chosen people and that is still true today. He has not forsaken them and they will come back." what I like concering Adam and Eve I care less. I'm like my brother Job, who is a son of God, also. Job 19:25 "For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:"
Job 19:26 "And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:"
Job 19:27 "Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold, and not another; though my reins be consumed within me."

get out of here brother Job, a son of God like Adam and Eve....

Point #7. "These things are not salvation issues", you say........

you have no knowledge of the topic you started, do you?

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[Rocky Wiley]

Is that so?

Or is that the humanist party line?

If you accept this as true, then confusion will certainly result. I don't believe it IS true, myself.

Much love!

It is confusing to think that God put some bones of animals in the dirt just to confuse us. Most bible believers think that these bones are not as old as scientist say. That is confusing, if they are not that old why would God make them to look that old?

Read Job for he is writing about the earlier age, before Adam and Eve.

 

[marks]

It is confusing to think that God put some bones of animals in the dirt just to confuse us. Most bible believers think that these bones are not as old as scientist say. That is confusing, if they are not that old why would God make them to look that old?

Read Job for he is writing about the earlier age, before Adam and Eve.

Many scientists make inaccurate assumptions and accept the answers because they seemingly conform to their desire to deny God, and His judgments.

Dragon bones are not in the ground to confuse us, any more than cat bones are. Animals die. Those that died during normal times are for the most part predated and decayed and scattered and gone. These that die during a cataclysm like the Deluge end up quickly buried in sediments that promote fossilization. Fossilization can happen in a matter of months in ideal conditions.

They don't look old, they look mineralized.

And if you want to take carbon dating, you have to account for things like the bottom of the Grand Canyon being so less old than the top, and freshly formed rocks from Mount St. Helen to be millions of years old.

I think what has happened is that the earth was carved up by the torrents of water, which also buried vast numbers of animals and amounts of vegetation, which turned into the fossils and coal we see today. But rather than accept that God flooded the earth, and has promised fire, they find the way to pretend this is all just normal process, and the reason we don't see it happening now is that it takes so darned long!

But it doesn't. And God did judge, and He will again.

Much love!

 

[Rocky Wiley]

Many scientists make inaccurate assumptions and accept the answers because they seemingly conform to their desire to deny God, and His judgments.

Dragon bones are not in the ground to confuse us, any more than cat bones are. Animals die. Those that died during normal times are for the most part predated and decayed and scattered and gone. These that die during a cataclysm like the Deluge end up quickly buried in sediments that promote fossilization. Fossilization can happen in a matter of months in ideal conditions.

They don't look old, they look mineralized.

And if you want to take carbon dating, you have to account for things like the bottom of the Grand Canyon being so less old than the top, and freshly formed rocks from Mount St. Helen to be millions of years old.

I think what has happened is that the earth was carved up by the torrents of water, which also buried vast numbers of animals and amounts of vegetation, which turned into the fossils and coal we see today. But rather than accept that God flooded the earth, and has promised fire, they find the way to pretend this is all just normal process, and the reason we don't see it happening now is that it takes so darned long!

But it doesn't. And God did judge, and He will again.

Much love!

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Strong dictionary:
was:
A primitive root (compare H1933); to exist, that is, be or become, come to pass
The earth was not created without form, it became without form.
When God creates he does it right! There was previous life on this earth and the people were so demon possessed God destroyed it.

 

[marks]

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Strong dictionary:
was:
A primitive root (compare H1933); to exist, that is, be or become, come to pass
The earth was not created without form, it became without form.
When God creates he does it right! There was previous life on this earth and the people were so demon possessed God destroyed it.

Of course "the earth existed without form" because God hadn't separated the waters yet, and hadn't set the earth's foundations. Genesis records a sequence to how God created everything, and this is simply part of that sequence.

Myself, I find no evidence in either the Bible or the earth that there was a previous creation, though I know many people think that.

Much love!

 

[marks]

You have to look at the question, Why are there all these fossils in the ground?

There aren't layers of millions of fossils being formed today. The very existence of the layers of fossils is direct evidence for the Deluge. Otherwise, no millions of fossils like we find.

Much love!

 

[Rocky Wiley]

Of course "the earth existed without form" because God hadn't separated the waters yet, and hadn't set the earth's foundations. Genesis records a sequence to how God created everything, and this is simply part of that sequence.

Myself, I find no evidence in either the Bible or the earth that there was a previous creation, though I know many people think that.

Much love!

God does not create destruction. In the case of the earth, it became void and without form because of the total wickedness of the first earth. You do know that God has given earth to the devil, don't you? He still has it today! At the end of this age He will take it away from him.