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God's Hate

Discussion in 'Christian Theology Forum' started by BibleStillStands, Jun 25, 2007.

  1. BibleStillStands

    BibleStillStands New Member

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    Leviticus 20:23 - And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation, which I cast out before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I abhorred them. Deuteronomy 32:19 - And when the LORD saw it, he abhorred them, because of the provoking of his sons, and of his daughters. Psalm 5:5 - The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity. Psalm 11:5 - The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth. Psalm 53:5 - There were they in great fear, where no fear was: for God hath scattered the bones of him that encampeth against thee: thou hast put them to shame, because God hath despised them. Proverbs 6:16-19 - These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren. Hosea 9:15 - All their wickedness is in Gilgal: for there I hated them: for the wickedness of their doings I will drive them out of mine house, I will love them no more: all their princes are revolters. Malachi 1:3 - And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness. Romans 9:13 - As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. So why does the lie persist that God loves everyone?!
     
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    alaskadrifter New Member

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    God does love everyone. He created us all in his image. But he is a perfect God and must hate what is evil. We are all under his wrath, unless we are under Christ's blood. We cannot possible understand God's ways, so it may seem contradictory but its not. Psalms 77:13 Your ways, O God, are holy. What god is so great as our God?
     
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    God does love everyone. He created us all in his image. But he is a perfect God and must hate what is evil. We are all under his wrath, unless we are under Christ's blood. We cannot possible understand God's ways, so it may seem contradictory but its not. Psalms 77:13 Your ways, O God, are holy. What god is so great as our God?
    Created in his image, but with a dark evil heart, from his very youth (Genesis 8:21). Coming back to Psalm 5:5 - The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.Notice God hates all WORKERS of iniquity. So don't try to come up with "loving the sinner, hating the sin" etc. If that were true then God wouldn't send people to Hell. But from Luke 16: 19-31 (Lazarus) all the way back to Sodom and Gomorrah it is evident that God does send people to Hell. Not "the sin", but the people who commit it.So, God loves people under his wrath? When he sends people kicking and screaming to Hell, that's love? Funny way of showing it.There is not ONE verse in the Bible that says God loves everyone. I dare you to show me one.
     
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    HammerStone Well-Known Member Staff Member

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    There is not ONE verse in the Bible that says God loves everyone. I dare you to show me one.
    II Peter 3:9The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.That being said, the best outside-the-Bible quote I've ever heard to sum it all up is "God loves you - he might not love what you're doing." That being said, that's not going to change his wrath when the time comes and people haven't done the very simple task laid before us all.Tough love is love. Why do we punish a child for doing wrong? Because we know that punishment will lead to them doing right on down the road. Everyone has their chance and that truly is love in II Peter 3. The simple fact of the matter is, some people just don't get it and those are the workers of iniquity that he hates.
     
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    II Peter 3:9The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.That being said, the best outside-the-Bible quote I've ever heard to sum it all up is "God loves you - he might not love what you're doing." That being said, that's not going to change his wrath when the time comes and people haven't done the very simple task laid before us all.Tough love is love. Why do we punish a child for doing wrong? Because we know that punishment will lead to them doing right on down the road. Everyone has their chance and that truly is love in II Peter 3. The simple fact of the matter is, some people just don't get it and those are the workers of iniquity that he hates.
    Regarding the quote from II Peter, "us-ward" is the key word. Peter is talking about "us", in the context: the servants of the living God. Not everyone in the entire world.The most loving thing you can do for your neighbour is to tell him he's in sin and heading to Hell.
     
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    Surely as a follower of Christ, repentance is not a problem. This clearly deals with those who have not repented which would not have done so for their lack of faith. When God says all, he means all. The context of the whole chapter is the slack ones referred to in verse nine from earlier in the chapter. These are the scoffers who continue along saying there is no Lord to come back a second time, surely if there was he would have come back by now...He quite clearly is not talking only about those that have been saved.
     
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    Surely as a follower of Christ, repentance is not a problem. This clearly deals with those who have not repented which would not have done so for their lack of faith. When God says all, he means all. The context of the whole chapter is the slack ones referred to in verse nine from earlier in the chapter. These are the scoffers who continue along saying there is no Lord to come back a second time, surely if there was he would have come back by now...He quite clearly is not talking only about those that have been saved.
    I personally think from the context he is talking about believers, but just for a moment imagine he is not.He is willing none should perish, yet God sends people to Hell. How do you reconcile this?
     
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    He doesn't really send them there per say, people just put themselves in there from the sin that they do. God feels terrible about it, but He must send them there because He is good.
     
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