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Now that Christmas is over, we're headed towards new years, and I think reflection is a good thing. 2021 has been a trying year for me, and 2022 seems like it will continue in that same direction for at least the first few months. I have been thinking about any progress I might have made towards salvation, and the one realization that keeps popping up is understanding or knowledge of something isn't a guarantee that it will actually happen. I study theology because I genuinely want to learn how to find salvation.

to the heart of the issue, 2021 has been a huge loss in that goal. But I have learned some principles about it. For instance, three things have to happen in order for sin to take place; opportunity, temptation, and desire. Desire is the most dangerous of the three. Take away any one of the three and sin wont happen. An example would be shoplifting. Everytime you go into a store, you are tempted and have the opportunity to carry out your desire to steal something, if that's your "besetting" sin. I don't steal, not because i'm worried about getting caught and going to jail, I don't steal because I recognize that its wrong. I know I don't like it when something I own gets stolen. so I have no desire to steal anything. keep that in your mind for now.

the two most dangerous questions I could get asked are 1. why do you want to be a Christian? my completely honest answer is, because I don't want to goto hell. that's it. no other reason. I understand that everyone that is born, unless they are "reborn", hell is where they will go. so now the second dangerous question is, if everyone was guaranteed to goto Heaven, regardless of what they did or being reborn, would I still want to be a Christian? I have no answer for that. probably would be a no. So some people ask, why Christianity? why not another faith? my response is, I grew up in a Christian home and church. I have never had a reason to question Christianity. its what I have grown up with. I have never had any religious experience I don't think, and I feel like most of the religious stuff I do, I do because "its what you're supposed to do."

So, how does one change their desire? That is a question that I cannot find an answer to. Most people I hear and see when asked about Christianity, they talk about knowing Jesus and joy and peace of assurance. I don't feel any of that. In fact, I feel the complete opposite. I met my pastor out one day for a drink at starbucks. I sent him an email asking if he'd like to meet and discuss some stuff, he said yea. I was SOOO nervous being around him. I get that he's a human being and sinner also, but we're talking about a pastor. If that guy had any idea of how evil I am, he wouldn't have met with me. and if I get nervous being around him, imagine my fear of being in front of Jesus on Judgement day. I cant think of a more terrifying thing. Absolutely terrifying.

Where does this leave me going into 2022? Good question. and as I sit here, typing this out, i'm thinking will 2022 be the break through year for me? I have no idea. I'm not sure of what kind of response i'm looking for, but I suppose we just have to take it day by day. Hope for the best. So here's to a hopefully great 2022 to all.
 

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Now that Christmas is over, we're headed towards new years, and I think reflection is a good thing. 2021 has been a trying year for me, and 2022 seems like it will continue in that same direction for at least the first few months. I have been thinking about any progress I might have made towards salvation, and the one realization that keeps popping up is understanding or knowledge of something isn't a guarantee that it will actually happen. I study theology because I genuinely want to learn how to find salvation.

to the heart of the issue, 2021 has been a huge loss in that goal. But I have learned some principles about it. For instance, three things have to happen in order for sin to take place; opportunity, temptation, and desire. Desire is the most dangerous of the three. Take away any one of the three and sin wont happen. An example would be shoplifting. Everytime you go into a store, you are tempted and have the opportunity to carry out your desire to steal something, if that's your "besetting" sin. I don't steal, not because i'm worried about getting caught and going to jail, I don't steal because I recognize that its wrong. I know I don't like it when something I own gets stolen. so I have no desire to steal anything. keep that in your mind for now.

the two most dangerous questions I could get asked are 1. why do you want to be a Christian? my completely honest answer is, because I don't want to goto hell. that's it. no other reason. I understand that everyone that is born, unless they are "reborn", hell is where they will go. so now the second dangerous question is, if everyone was guaranteed to goto Heaven, regardless of what they did or being reborn, would I still want to be a Christian? I have no answer for that. probably would be a no. So some people ask, why Christianity? why not another faith? my response is, I grew up in a Christian home and church. I have never had a reason to question Christianity. its what I have grown up with. I have never had any religious experience I don't think, and I feel like most of the religious stuff I do, I do because "its what you're supposed to do."

So, how does one change their desire? That is a question that I cannot find an answer to. Most people I hear and see when asked about Christianity, they talk about knowing Jesus and joy and peace of assurance. I don't feel any of that. In fact, I feel the complete opposite. I met my pastor out one day for a drink at starbucks. I sent him an email asking if he'd like to meet and discuss some stuff, he said yea. I was SOOO nervous being around him. I get that he's a human being and sinner also, but we're talking about a pastor. If that guy had any idea of how evil I am, he wouldn't have met with me. and if I get nervous being around him, imagine my fear of being in front of Jesus on Judgement day. I cant think of a more terrifying thing. Absolutely terrifying.

Where does this leave me going into 2022? Good question. and as I sit here, typing this out, i'm thinking will 2022 be the break through year for me? I have no idea. I'm not sure of what kind of response i'm looking for, but I suppose we just have to take it day by day. Hope for the best. So here's to a hopefully great 2022 to all.
I used to think of pastors as extremely holy men of God and that they ranked right beneath Jesus in holiness and righteousness....
Then one year a pastor kicked me out of his church because of rumors he heard...(never even discussed it with me), went to another church and the pastor came by my house wanting sex, another church and another pastor held a board meeting to discuss kicking me out because I had a vision that he was leaving the church....(a year later he left the church.)
When I cried out to God and said what is up with these pastors? If I can't trust them then what hope do I have. HE said never put your faith in man cause they can and will fail at times...always keep your eyes on Jesus....He will never fail you.....
Having been raised in a church that taught hell, fire and brimstone created a very unhealthy mental attitude towards God ...I feared Him but not in the way scripture talks about...I constantly feared His wrath and judgment on me and feared going to hell because I seemed to always commit a sin...(not intentionally).
I cried out to God one day...and here is my testimony if you care to read it.
3 Times God asked me..who do you think I am?
 
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I used to think of pastors as extremely holy men of God and that they ranked right beneath Jesus in holiness and righteousness....
Then one year a pastor kicked me out of his church because of rumors he heard...(never even discussed it with me), went to another church and the pastor came by my house wanting sex, another church and another pastor held a board meeting to discuss kicking me out because I had a vision that he was leaving the church....(a year later he left the church.)
When I cried out to God and said what is up with these pastors? If I can't trust them then what hope do I have. HE said never put your faith in man cause they can and will fail at times...always keep your eyes on Jesus....He will never fail you.....
Having been raised in a church that taught hell, fire and brimstone created a very unhealthy mental attitude towards God ...I feared Him but in the way scripture talks about...I constantly feared His wrath and judgment on me and feared going to hell because I seemed to always commit a sin...(not intentionally).
I cried out to God one day...and here is my testimony if you care to read it.
3 Times God asked me..who do you think I am?

i read it, and right away i noticed something unique. God talked to you, i dont think God has ever talked to me. I have tried and tried to talk to Him, but i get nowhere.
 

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Now that Christmas is over, we're headed towards new years, and I think reflection is a good thing. 2021 has been a trying year for me, and 2022 seems like it will continue in that same direction for at least the first few months. I have been thinking about any progress I might have made towards salvation, and the one realization that keeps popping up is understanding or knowledge of something isn't a guarantee that it will actually happen. I study theology because I genuinely want to learn how to find salvation.

to the heart of the issue, 2021 has been a huge loss in that goal. But I have learned some principles about it. For instance, three things have to happen in order for sin to take place; opportunity, temptation, and desire. Desire is the most dangerous of the three. Take away any one of the three and sin wont happen. An example would be shoplifting. Everytime you go into a store, you are tempted and have the opportunity to carry out your desire to steal something, if that's your "besetting" sin. I don't steal, not because i'm worried about getting caught and going to jail, I don't steal because I recognize that its wrong. I know I don't like it when something I own gets stolen. so I have no desire to steal anything. keep that in your mind for now.

the two most dangerous questions I could get asked are 1. why do you want to be a Christian? my completely honest answer is, because I don't want to goto hell. that's it. no other reason. I understand that everyone that is born, unless they are "reborn", hell is where they will go. so now the second dangerous question is, if everyone was guaranteed to goto Heaven, regardless of what they did or being reborn, would I still want to be a Christian? I have no answer for that. probably would be a no. So some people ask, why Christianity? why not another faith? my response is, I grew up in a Christian home and church. I have never had a reason to question Christianity. its what I have grown up with. I have never had any religious experience I don't think, and I feel like most of the religious stuff I do, I do because "its what you're supposed to do."

So, how does one change their desire? That is a question that I cannot find an answer to. Most people I hear and see when asked about Christianity, they talk about knowing Jesus and joy and peace of assurance. I don't feel any of that. In fact, I feel the complete opposite. I met my pastor out one day for a drink at starbucks. I sent him an email asking if he'd like to meet and discuss some stuff, he said yea. I was SOOO nervous being around him. I get that he's a human being and sinner also, but we're talking about a pastor. If that guy had any idea of how evil I am, he wouldn't have met with me. and if I get nervous being around him, imagine my fear of being in front of Jesus on Judgement day. I cant think of a more terrifying thing. Absolutely terrifying.

Where does this leave me going into 2022? Good question. and as I sit here, typing this out, i'm thinking will 2022 be the break through year for me? I have no idea. I'm not sure of what kind of response i'm looking for, but I suppose we just have to take it day by day. Hope for the best. So here's to a hopefully great 2022 to all.

Reading this, this verse came to mind:

Micah 6:8

"He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the LORD require of you? To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God."

you can correct me - but I get the sense that you are frustrated in your search for God and you are tired.

And I would say also that you are missing out on the rest.

Just going to ask up front: Were you raised Christian? Because the biggest risk for raised Christian kids, is that they were taught rules, obedience, and practice, but not always how to have a relationship - so when they come back, they are frustrated by the silence.
 
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i read it, and right away i noticed something unique. God talked to you, i dont think God has ever talked to me. I have tried and tried to talk to Him, but i get nowhere.
It was the first time He ever spoke to me....but I recognized it was Him right away.
I have come to understand that He speaks to us all the time if we are in daily fellowship with Him...
I pray that you will come to recognize when He is speaking to you because He is speaking to you all the time...really, I am not kidding.
Next time you pray, when you have finished just sit quietly, meditating on Him and you will begin to hear (in your spirit) His words He is wanting you to hear.
God Bless
 
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Reading this, this verse came to mind:

Micah 6:8

"He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the LORD require of you? To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God."

you can correct me - but I get the sense that you are frustrated in your search for God and you are tired.

And I would say also that you are missing out on the rest.

Just going to ask up front: Were you raised Christian? Because the biggest risk for raised Christian kids, is that they were taught rules, obedience, and practice, but not always how to have a relationship - so when they come back, they are frustrated by the silence.

i wouldnt say i’m frustrated, but i’m not getting any younger and i worry about running out of time. I am tired of trying to do whats right though. Its led me to disassociate with anything in my life, for fear of my real self showing itself.
Yes, i was raised as a christian, and yes, the whole long distance relationship thing doesnt make any sense. But i think the main reason is because my sin is so great, God just passes me over. Or at least thats what i tell myself.
 

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Now that Christmas is over, we're headed towards new years, and I think reflection is a good thing. 2021 has been a trying year for me, and 2022 seems like it will continue in that same direction for at least the first few months. I have been thinking about any progress I might have made towards salvation, and the one realization that keeps popping up is understanding or knowledge of something isn't a guarantee that it will actually happen. I study theology because I genuinely want to learn how to find salvation.

to the heart of the issue, 2021 has been a huge loss in that goal. But I have learned some principles about it. For instance, three things have to happen in order for sin to take place; opportunity, temptation, and desire. Desire is the most dangerous of the three. Take away any one of the three and sin wont happen. An example would be shoplifting. Everytime you go into a store, you are tempted and have the opportunity to carry out your desire to steal something, if that's your "besetting" sin. I don't steal, not because i'm worried about getting caught and going to jail, I don't steal because I recognize that its wrong. I know I don't like it when something I own gets stolen. so I have no desire to steal anything. keep that in your mind for now.

the two most dangerous questions I could get asked are 1. why do you want to be a Christian? my completely honest answer is, because I don't want to goto hell. that's it. no other reason. I understand that everyone that is born, unless they are "reborn", hell is where they will go. so now the second dangerous question is, if everyone was guaranteed to goto Heaven, regardless of what they did or being reborn, would I still want to be a Christian? I have no answer for that. probably would be a no. So some people ask, why Christianity? why not another faith? my response is, I grew up in Christian home and church. I have never had a reason to question Christianity. its what I have grown up with. I have never had any religious experience I don't think, and I feel like most of the religious stuff I do, I do because "its what you're supposed to do."

So, how does one change their desire? That is a question that I cannot find an answer to. Most people I hear and see when asked about Christianity, they talk about knowing Jesus and joy and peace of assurance. I don't feel any of that. In fact, I feel the complete opposite. I met my pastor out one day for a drink at starbucks. I sent him an email asking if he'd like to meet and discuss some stuff, he said yea. I was SOOO nervous being around him. I get that he's a human being and sinner also, but we're talking about a pastor. If that guy had any idea of how evil I am, he wouldn't have met with me. and if I get nervous being around him, imagine my fear of being in front of Jesus on Judgement day. I cant think of a more terrifying thing. Absolutely terrifying.

Where does this leave me going into 2022? Good question. and as I sit here, typing this out, i'm thinking will 2022 be the break through year for me? I have no idea. I'm not sure of what kind of response i'm looking for, but I suppose we just have to take it day by day. Hope for the best. So here's to a hopefully great 2022 to all.
I read your posts/comments..on other threads.
- It seems that you have enough.. knowledge/understanding about the Bible & Theology.
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"I have never had any religious experience.."
- You need to go beyond..having more Biblical & Theological knowledge.
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Question is..
Do you want to have..genuine encounter/experience?
- It means..being broken, humility, etc..
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I suggest to read..the lyrics (hymn) again.
'Just As I Am, Without One Plea'
*I assume that you are familiar with the hymn.
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More of His grace to you..
- On your journey.
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* I have been studying/reading..the Bible, Theology & History.
- From 1970's..
 
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But i think the main reason is because my sin is so great, God just passes me over. Or at least thats what i tell myself.
I don't think that's what's going on, but we've talked about this before. I don't know what more I can say. Maybe I should just shut up and pray for you. Yeah, I think I'll do that. But I liked how hopeful you sounded in post #1. Let's go with the hope.
 

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I don't think that's what's going on, but we've talked about this before. I don't know what more I can say. Maybe I should just shut up and pray for you. Yeah, I think I'll do that. But I liked how hopeful you sounded in post #1. Let's go with the hope.

understand im not normally an optimist.
 
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I read your posts/comments..on other threads.
- It seems that you have enough.. knowledge/understanding about the Bible & Theology.
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"I have never had any religious experience.."
- You need to go beyond..having more Biblical & Theological knowledge.
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Question is..
Do you want to have..genuine encounter/experience?

i would like to think i have just enough knowledge, but if i were saved, i wonder if i would even realize it?

How do you make a religious experience happen?

i do actually desire a genuine conversion.
 

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i would like to think i have just enough knowledge, but if i were saved, i wonder if i would even realize it?

How do you make a religious experience happen?

i do actually desire a genuine conversion.
I hear you. I've been there.

You can't make it happen. All you can do is pray. And trust.

I like the question about being saved and not realizing it.
 

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...imagine my fear of being in front of Jesus on Judgement day. I cant think of a more terrifying thing. Absolutely terrifying.

I can relate. Here are three things that clicked for me:

1. We ought to look away from self, and toward Jesus.

2. Looking to Jesus for Salvation is Salvation.

3. If His works are what He sees when He judges us, we will surely be saved.

This isn't about us. It's all Glory to Him.

Rejoice in your tribulations! (Romans 5:3-5)
 
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It was the first time He ever spoke to me....but I recognized it was Him right away.
I have come to understand that He speaks to us all the time if we are in daily fellowship with Him...
I pray that you will come to recognize when He is speaking to you because He is speaking to you all the time...really, I am not kidding.
Next time you pray, when you have finished just sit quietly, meditating on Him and you will begin to hear (in your spirit) His words He is wanting you to hear.
God Bless


I can confirm this. When I first started listening to the Lord, he said, "I am always speaking."