Gross example of rampant sin in "the church" today/ decades(tats)

[Joseph77]

Is sin being common to be a reason to sin more ?

Many pastors for over a decade have noted that NO ONE they have married (joined together in matrimony (not holy matrimony)
has been a virgin.
Thus how far society and churches have fallen in sin.

Another example >

(This poster doesn't know "hardly any female" at church under 30 that is not openly sinning:

QueenCat said:
Around here (Bible Belt), it is common, especially among evangelical Christians, for the girls under about 40 to have religious tattoos. More do than don't, especially when you get to the under 30 crowd. I hardly know any female at church that is under 30 that does not have a tattoo.
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J

 

[farouk]

Is sin being common to be a reason to sin more ?

Many pastors for over a decade have noted that NO ONE they have married (joined together in matrimony (not holy matrimony)
has been a virgin.
Thus how far society and churches have fallen in sin.

Another example >

(This poster doesn't know "hardly any female" at church under 30 that is not openly sinning:

QueenCat said:
Around here (Bible Belt), it is common, especially among evangelical Christians, for the girls under about 40 to have religious tattoos. More do than don't, especially when you get to the under 30 crowd. I hardly know any female at church that is under 30 that does not have a tattoo.
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J

Apples and oranges:

Not being a virgin and maybe having a Bible verse tattoo are two different things; one does not mean the other.

 

[Joseph77]

Sin is still sin. (both)

 

[Joseph77]

Rebellion is still rebellion, both.

Transgression is still transgression, both.

Disobedient spirit is still disobedient, unrepentant spirit, both.

 

[Joseph77]

Whatever is born of the flesh, is flesh, and profits nothing. Both.

 

[farouk]

Sin is still sin. (both)

You made a direct comparison of one with the other; and if some ppl as New Testament believers under grace -rather than as Old Testament Jews in the land under the law - are motivated to witness with a proven effective means, this is distinct from deciding to fornicate physically. I think you know it is distinct.

 

[Joseph77]

Sin of one, sin of the other - both sins are rampant in the church.

Because they are rampant, is no validity at all to continue in sin, any sin.

 

[Joseph77]

No one saved in Jesus, "under grace" willfully chooses to continue in such sin.

They are saved from such sin, and from such temptations delivered, in Jesus.

 

[Joseph77]

Being effective, like Balaam in his instructions,
"proven 'effective' means",
to get people cursed, is still cursed - only more people get cursed .....

 

[Joseph77]

Just like Balaam's sin, warned against by God, for all who follow Jesus a warning taken seriously,

yet Balaam's sin, tricking even God's people into being cursed, knowing God's people would stumble at the temptation,

is judged by God as sin, and brings a curse, as Balaam knew. as God's children know.

 

[farouk]

There are many things - which are not about false doctrine or immorality - which are going to fall into the category of Romans 14.5: "Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind."

 

[Joseph77]

And what is sin, is still sin.

 

[Joseph77]

(making excuses for sin, which excuses abound now trying as if to defend sin,
is a worse sin)

 

[farouk]

And what is sin, is still sin.

But there would be no point in denying that lots — lots — of things are going to fall into the category of Romans 14.5: "Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind."

 

[Joseph77]

When a vessel is for dis-honor, that is what it gets filled with.

To become a vessel for honor, it must be cleaned, cleansed of sin, and not continue in dishonorably sin, willingly and joyfully instead chosing to follow Jesus in all things.

 

[farouk]

...willingly and joyfully instead chosing to follow Jesus in all things.

I strongly agree with this, too.

 

[Joseph77]

Actually , no . "lots of things" , everything , in the flesh, born of the flesh, is flesh, and profits nothing.

It is opposed to the spirit every day.

It is not by faith, so it is always sin.

 

[Joseph77]

I strongly agree with this, too.

Then you agree when Jesus says it is wrong to cause others to stumble ? ?

Many have stumbled now, getting or thinking even that tats are okay to get.

Who caused them to stumble now? Who defended that sin, and promoted it as much as possible ?

 

[Joseph77]

What comes out of the heart is what defiles a man.

That kind of disobedience comes out of the heart, it is not "put upon" someone from outside ....

 

[Joseph77]

.... and it is a common sin, with many other common sins, promoted in many (most?) churches -

so all are fallen, all are subject to discipline, correction, even a curse, as written in Scripture, for wilful sin.