Guess What?!

[Rollo Tamasi]

October 31st is the 500 year anniversary of the start of the Protestant Reformation.
Does anyone care?

 

[GodsGrace]

I care.
I can't decide if it was good or bad.

 

[aspen]

Reform was needed so it was a good idea, but the reform never materialized. It turned out sort of like healthcare reform in America.......the Catholic church needed reform not dismissal and replacement over and over and over again. The Protestant answer to Catholicism is renounce, replace, return to the catholicsm under a different name, replace.

It is a 500 year excercise in ‘trying the same thing and expecting different results’

 

[FHII]

Reform was needed so it was a good idea, but the reform never materialized. It turned out sort of like healthcare reform in America.......the Catholic church needed reform not dismissal and replacement over and over and over again. The Protestant answer to Catholicism is renounce, replace, return to the catholicsm under a different name, replace.

It is a 500 year excercise in ‘trying the same thing and expecting different results’

Rollo is speaking of Martin Luther nailing his 95 Thesis to the door of the local Church. In actuality it was an attempt to reform the Catholic Church. It just wasn't received well. Martin Luther was appalled by many practices he saw, most particularly the practice of indulgence. I think he expected the pope to be just as upset as he was.

But I like your wording about the protestants renouncince, replacing and returning. Martin Luther didn't do that himself, though he clung to many Catholic doctrines. As with many great reformers, the set certain ideas in motion and their followers after they died took it to levels not intended. I am not saying they (the reformers) had the answers or even all truth. Just that from what they taught others built on haphazardly.

As a side note... Perhaps 10/31 is considered the day the reformation was born, but that is just as cloudy as calling July 3rd, 1776 the birthdate of the U.S. its a significant day, but not as clearcut as one would think.

As for the significance of the reformation in world culture and politics... It was both profound and needed. The Holy Roman Empire neded to be broken.

 

[Stranger]

I care. Of course the Reformation was good. Rome was beyond fixing. The reformers were not trying to break away from the Church, they wanted to reform the Church. But Rome would not have it and thus the separation. Just because Protestantism is failing today, doesn't mean the Reformation was not necessary. Every movement of God over time needs reforming because Satan has time to plant seeds of destruction within it.

Those times are just like those who live in the church age of Laodicea. "Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me." (Rev. 3:20) Jesus is on the outside of the church knocking on the door for any individual to come out of the apostate church to Him.

Stranger

 

[mjrhealth]

I care. Of course the Reformation was good. Rome was beyond fixing. The reformers were not trying to break away from the Church, they wanted to reform the Church. But Rome would not have it and thus the separation. Just because Protestantism is failing today, doesn't mean the Reformation was not necessary. Every movement of God over time needs reforming because Satan has time to plant seeds of destruction within it.

Those times are just like those who live in the church age of Laodicea. "Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me." (Rev. 3:20) Jesus is on the outside of the church knocking on the door for any individual to come out of the apostate church to Him.

Stranger

AMEN

 

[Angelina]

It's good to remember such significant events in our history

 

[GodsGrace]

I care. Of course the Reformation was good. Rome was beyond fixing. The reformers were not trying to break away from the Church, they wanted to reform the Church. But Rome would not have it and thus the separation. Just because Protestantism is failing today, doesn't mean the Reformation was not necessary. Every movement of God over time needs reforming because Satan has time to plant seeds of destruction within it.

Those times are just like those who live in the church age of Laodicea. "Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me." (Rev. 3:20) Jesus is on the outside of the church knocking on the door for any individual to come out of the apostate church to Him.

Stranger

Which one is the apostate church...???

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Which one is the apostate church...???

The one that resides on one of the 7 hills of Rome

 

[GodsGrace]

The one that resides on one of the 7 hills of Rome

I think there are other apostate churches.
Want a list?

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

I think there are other apostate churches.
Want a list?

There's no such thing as apostate churches outside of the Vatican.

All protestant churches are based on an individual's personal relationship with Jesus.
Rome is built on a personal relationship with Mary.

Look that up in your Funk & Wagnall...

 

[Stranger]

Which one is the apostate church...???

I wouldn't say there is 'one' certain denomination. I believe the whole Church as represented on the earth in those last days will be as the Laodicean church. Both Roman and Protestant. You can see it in Protestant churches today.

Stranger

 

[twinc]

I care.
I can't decide if it was good or bad.

imho nothing wrong with protesting as a protestant but claiming all round individual inspiration and infallibility is unacceptable - twinc

 

[twinc]

There's no such thing as apostate churches outside of the Vatican.

All protestant churches are based on an individual's personal relationship with Jesus.
Rome is built on a personal relationship with Mary.

Look that up in your Funk & Wagnall...

claimed all round individual relationship with Jesus or all round individual inspiration and guidance by the Holy Spirit is suspect and is and should be unacceptable - twinc

 

[GodsGrace]

There's no such thing as apostate churches outside of the Vatican.

All protestant churches are based on an individual's personal relationship with Jesus.
Rome is built on a personal relationship with Mary.

Look that up in your Funk & Wagnall...

Whats worse?
That, or teaching people that God picks who will end up in hell?
(Through no fault of their own)

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

God is in charge.
You better do what he says.
And you can take that to the bank!

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Whats worse?
That, or teaching people that God picks who will end up in hell?
(Through no fault of their own)

Do you even know what a Funk & Wagnall is?

 

[Job]

Do you even know what a Funk & Wagnall is?

Sounds like dirty coveralls.

 

[GodsGrace]

Do you even know what a Funk & Wagnall is?

No.
What do I know.

 

[GodsGrace]

Do you even know what a Funk & Wagnall is?

I should change my place of residency from Italy to New York.
It seems to be getting some here confused as to who I am.
I'm a New Yorker, or as we like to say:
Nu Yawka.