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  1. Bible_Gazer

    Bible_Gazer Active Member

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    Read a quote:

    It has been said that God hates the sin and loves the sinner.

    But it's the sinner God sends to hell, not just the sin.
     
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    Episkopos Well-Known Member

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    So then love the hell out of the sinner.
     
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    hishandmaiden New Member

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    God sends sinners to hell, because He cannot tolerate sins.
    A sinner sins, and therefore cannot stand in the presence of God.
    God is too holy and righteous to accept sins.
    However, all is solved when Jesus died on the cross for us.
    God punished the sins through Jesus' sufferings and love us, the sinners!
     
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    Waiting on him Well-Known Member

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    Then by all means, take a knee

    Welcome to the forum.
     
  5. Episkopos

    Episkopos Well-Known Member

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    In your scheme then you are saying that all sinners are saved?...or just the ones that spell Jesus' name correctly?...or have their religious ducks in a row to fill out a political questionnaire about doctrinal preferences?

    Or are we all going to reap what we sow...and God will judge everyone by his works (and not by what Jesus did)?

    Which is the real biblical reasoning? Check it out! :)
     
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  6. Ernest T. Bass

    Ernest T. Bass Well-Known Member

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    It can be said the sinner actually sends himself to hell.

    Romans 2:6-11

    Each of us will either choose to serve sin unto death or obedience unto righteousness (Romans 6:16). God will render to each person according to their deeds whether those deeds be obedient to God or disobedient deeds that obey not the truth, but obeyed unrighteousness.

    All God will do on judgement day is hand out the sentence that fits the type of deeds a person chose to do. Those that choose to obey and do as God said will hear the sentence "Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord." THose that rebelled against God and disobeyed will hear the sentence of "And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

    God "sending sinners to hell" is not a capricious choice God makes independent of what man does, but is based upon what type of deeds each man chooses to do. And in that sense man sends himself to hell.

    It is God's desire that all men be saved (1 Timothy 2:4) but men will choose against what God desires for man to do therefore God's perfect justice requires He must give them sentence of eternal punishment and God has no pleasure in this Ezekiel 33:11; Ezekiel 18:31-32 and admonishes men to do right so He will not have to give them the sentence to hell.
     
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  7. Bible_Gazer

    Bible_Gazer Active Member

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    John 3:16 God so loved the World
    Now this was before Jesus came.
    So he loved humanity and wanted to save them from their sins

    John 3:17 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
    Yet there is judgment to come to determine the destination
    1 Peter 4:17-18
    17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

    So what is sin and what is a sinner ?
    Does our nature determine who we are ?
    If a person sins all the time then his nature of sinning determines that he a sinner by his actions.
    Is a sinner and his sins separate ?
     
  8. Enoch111

    Enoch111 Well-Known Member

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    But firstly God offers mercy, grace, pardon, and salvation through Christ. Those who reject Christ are the ones who go to Hell.
     
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    Jane_Doe22 Well-Known Member

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    Rather: the sinner loved their sin more than God. And they followed that sin straight to where it lead.
    Sin = the action.
    Sinner = the person.
    This one you'll get a variety of answers for. Mine is: you determine your choices.
    Two different things.
     
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    It may be said, and might be true, but that quote isn't in the Bible.

    Certainly he loves sinners, otherwise he wouldn't love any of us. I suppose it is also true he hates sin, but that's an incomplete synopsis. Sure, he hates sin, but he also forgives them, he doesn't impute them, he covers them, he doesn't even keep them in remembrance.

    Therefore, more accurate statements would be (as long as you are one of the faithful):

    God loves the sinner and forgives the sin.

    God loves the sinner and doesn't impute sin.

    God loves the sinner and covers up the sin.

    God loves the sinner, and what sin? (I don't remember them sinning, when did they do that?)
     
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    Bible_Gazer Active Member

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    Thought provoking issues

    God loves the sinner who commits sin against him.
    So he sent his son for what reasons: ?


    a. shed his blood so all their sins are forgiven and they are ready to go to heaven
    b. He came to give us power so we can change so we don't sin against anymore
    c. He came to defeat the Devil that tempts us to sin
    d. He came to take away the laws of sin and death
    e. Came to show us how to be save by obeying God like he did.
    f. To give us the Holy Ghost to overcome the sin nature
    g. He came so sinners can get a resurrection
    h. To give God's love so it will cover a multitudes of sins and it fixes everything
    I. Came to tell not to sin anymore, to be like him.
    j. Came to show how to treat sinners with opened arms.
    k. To make a way for sinners to go to heaven as sinners
    l. to establish OSAS doctrine for sinners
    m. ____________ fill in the blank
     
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    SIN is:
    Disobedience / Violation of Mosaic Law.
    APPLICATION to:
    Hebrews, Tribes of Israel, Past & Present who were, or presently continue under the Mosaic / Jewish Law.

    SIN is also:
    Disbelief IN God, Christ the Lord Jesus, Holy Spirit.
    APPLICATION to:
    All natural Earthly born persons.

    All natural born earthly persons,
    ARE conceived in sin, (from the corrupt seeds of their natural parents.
    All natural born persons are born...
    without belief.
    All natural born persons have committed sin;
    (Thinking, Doing, that which is Against God).

    Jesus has Offered a Remedy, (of Forgiveness, Restoration and Absolute Freedom From Sin, (By and Through Him) To all persons, who desire and Choose, to Accept His Offer;

    A sinner IS: All natural born earthly persons.

    Glory to God,
    Taken
     
  13. Anthony D'Arienzo

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    Men are sinners as soon as they are conceived.psalm51
     
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    Ahaha, good one Epi.
     
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    Did God create sin ?
    or did the Law create sin ?
    If there is no law is there sin ?

    Did Adam create sin ?
    Was sin created in us by Adam ?

    Sin only exist in lawbreakers ?

    I assume most think Satan sinned first
    If sinners(angels) were in heaven were they cast down to hell(Earth - outerdarkness) ??
    Oh they do get judged again to go into the lake of fire.

    Thoughts for thoughts
     
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    I wouldn't generalize so hastily. That kind of thinking is fallacious.

    David said he was shapen in iniquity, not that all men are sinners were. He said he had been conceived in sin, not that all men were.

    He also said his only sin was against God. Should we generalize that also to say that all men sin only against God and not each other?

    Some children are conceived holy. God loved Jacob before he was born but not Esau. We also read this:

    1 Corinthians 7:14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
     
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    God said He did create evil but sin? I could never believe that. Sin entered the world the moment Eve ate of the forbidden fruit.

    Isaiah 45:7
    "I form the light, and create darkness:
    I make peace, and create evil:
    I the Lord do all these things."
     
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    Evil is not always sin in the bible, but sin is always evil.
    God can create evil punishment upon his people.
    example:
    Jeremiah 44:22-23

    22 So that the LORD could no longer bear, because of the evil of your doings, and because of the abominations which ye have committed; therefore is your land a desolation, and an astonishment, and a curse, without an inhabitant, as at this day.
    23 Because ye have burned incense, and because ye have sinned against the LORD, and have not obeyed the voice of the LORD, nor walked in his law, nor in his statutes, nor in his testimonies; therefore this evil is happened unto you, as at this day.

    You can read in Jeremiah how God brought evil on Israel = Babylon, …..


    How I see it
     
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    Thank you for your reply B.G. I never said that evil and sin are the same thing, if you read my first sentence, you will see that.
     
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    Yes, it has been said, by those suffering from a delusional religion, but God never said any such thing; quite the opposite, if you go by what the Bible says!
     
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