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Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed?

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  1. rockytopva

    rockytopva Well-Known Member Encounter Team

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    Acts 19:1-3

    1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
    2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
    3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
    4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
    5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
    6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
    7 And all the men were about twelve.
     
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    Angelina Prayer Warrior Staff Member Admin

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    I would not know how to function without him... :unsure: from the fall to the promise ~ from the promise to the law ~ from the law to the promised one ~ from the promised one to salvation ~ from salvation to the gift of the Holy Spirit ~ from the Holy Spirit to eternal life with Jesus our Lord and King.
     
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    rockytopva Well-Known Member Encounter Team

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    2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
    3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure. - 1 John


    I have been contemplating spending my vacation time in missionary work. Maybe spending time in the South Pacific being a blessing to others. The very thought of it makes me soul search and examine my spiritual man. I would want to bring the Holy Spirit with me, like Smith Wigglesworth a hundred years before me.
     
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    I was raised in church, actually repented at age 17, wandered to and fro and didn't receive the Spirit until 27. But He was right on time.
     
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    That's pretty awesome Sentinel...God is always on time isn't he ~ Bless ya!

    Rocky ~ I met a lady once in the supermarket and we got to talking. I noted that she had a slight southern drawl [USA] and asked where she was from. She said that she grew up in the south ~ Mississippi but moved to another state when she was still at school. She was teased about her accent and determined herself to lose it...which I guess she did but you just can't take the south out of the southern girl ;)

    Anyways she loves it in NZ and feels at home here....if you ever get the the South Pacific, that southern accent would be a draw card, believe me :p
     
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    rockytopva Well-Known Member Encounter Team

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    The following work by John Wesley is a good indication I believe of the fruits and doctrine of the Spirit filled believer... What is a Methodist? by John Wesley ...

    1. We believe, indeed, that "all Scripture is given by the inspiration of God.” We believe the written word of God to be the only and sufficient rule both of Christian faith and practice.

    2. We do not place our religion, or any part of it, in being attached to any peculiar mode of speaking, any quaint or uncommon set of expressions.

    3. Our religion does not lie in doing what God has not enjoined, or abstaining from what he hath not forbidden. It does not lie in the form of our apparel, in the posture of our body, or the covering of our heads; nor yet in abstaining from marriage, or from meats and drinks, which are all good if received with thanksgiving.

    4. Nor, lastly, is he distinguished by laying the whole stress of religion on any single part of it

    5. "What then is the mark? Who is a Methodist, according to your own account?" I answer: A Methodist is one who has "the love of God shed abroad in his heart by the Holy Ghost given unto him;" one who "loves the Lord his God with all his heart, and with all his soul, and with all his mind, and with all his strength. God is the joy of his heart, and the desire of his soul; which is constantly crying out, "Whom have I in heaven but thee? and there is none upon earth that I desire beside thee! My God and my all! Thou art the strength of my heart, and my portion for ever!"

    6. He is therefore happy in God, yea, always happy, as having in him "a well of water springing up into everlasting life," and overflowing his soul with peace and joy. "Perfect love" having now "cast out fear," he "rejoices evermore." He "rejoices in the Lord always," even "in God his Saviour;" and in the Father, "through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom he hath now received the atonement." "Having" found "redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of his sins," he cannot but rejoice, whenever he looks back on the horrible pit out of which he is delivered; when he sees "all his transgressions blotted out as a cloud, and his iniquities as a thick cloud." He cannot but rejoice, whenever he looks on the state wherein he now is; "being justified freely, and having peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ." For "he that believeth, hath the witness" of this "in himself;" being now the son of God by faith. "Because he is a son, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into his heart, crying, Abba, Father!" And "the Spirit itself beareth witness with his spirit, that he is a child of God." He rejoiceth also, whenever he looks forward, "in hope of the glory that shall be revealed;" yea, this his joy is full, and all his bones cry out, "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who, according to his abundant mercy, hath begotten me again to a living hope -- of an inheritance incorruptible, undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for me!"

    7. And he who hath this hope, thus "full of immortality, in everything giveth thanks;" as knowing that this (whatsoever it is) "is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning him." From him, therefore, he cheerfully receives all, saying, "Good is the will of the Lord;" and whether the Lord giveth or taketh away, equally "blessing the name of the Lord." For he hath "learned, in whatsoever state he is, therewith to be content." He knoweth "both how to be abased and how to abound

    8. For indeed he "prays without ceasing." It is given him "always to pray, and not to faint.”

    9. And while he thus always exercises his love to God, by praying without ceasing, rejoicing evermore, and in everything giving thanks, this commandment is written in his heart, "That he who loveth God, love his brother also." And he accordingly loves his neighbour as himself; he loves every man as his own soul. His heart is full of love to all mankind, to every child of "the Father of the spirits of all flesh

    10. For he is "pure in heart." The love of God has purified his heart from all revengeful passions, from envy, malice, and wrath, from every unkind temper or malign affection. It hath cleansed him from pride and haughtiness of spirit, whereof alone cometh contention. And he hath now "put on bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering:" So that he "forbears and forgives, if he had a quarrel against any; even as God in Christ hath forgiven him." And indeed all possible ground for contention, on his part, is utterly cut off. For none can take from him what he desires; seeing he "loves not the world, nor" any of "the things of the world;" being now "crucified to the world, and the world crucified to him;" being dead to all that is in the world, both to "the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eye, and the pride of life." For "all his desire is unto God, and to the remembrance of his name."

    11. Agreeable to this his one desire, is the one design of his life, namely, "not to do his own will, but the will of Him that sent him." His one intention at all times and in all things is, not to please himself, but Him whom his soul loveth. He has a single eye. And because "his eye is single, his whole body is full of light." Indeed, where the loving eye of the soul is continually fixed upon God, there can be no darkness at all, "but the whole is light; as when the bright shining of a candle doth enlighten the house." God then reigns alone. All that is in the soul is holiness to the Lord. There is not a motion in his heart, but is according to his will. Every thought that arises points to Him, and is in obedience to the law of Christ.

    12. And the tree is known by its fruits. For as he loves God, so he keeps his commandments; not only some, or most of them, but all, from the least to the greatest. He is not content to "keep the whole law, and offend in one point;" but has, in all points, "a conscience void of offence towards God and towards man."

    13. All the commandments of God he accordingly keeps, and that with all his might. For his obedience is in proportion to his love, the source from whence it flows. And therefore, loving God with all his heart, he serves him with all his strength.

    14. By consequence, whatsoever he doeth, it is all to the glory of God. His one invariable rule is this, "Whatsoever ye do, in word or deed, do it all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him."

    15. Nor do the customs of the world at all hinder his "running the race that is set before him." He knows that vice does not lose its nature, though it becomes ever so fashionable; and remembers, that "every man is to give an account of himself to God." He cannot, therefore, "follow" even "a multitude to do evil." He cannot "fare sumptuously every day," or "make provision for the flesh to fulfill the lusts thereof." He cannot "lay up treasures upon earth," any more than he can take fire into his bosom. He cannot "adorn himself," on any pretence, "with gold or costly apparel." He cannot join in or countenance any diversion which has the least tendency to vice of any kind. He cannot "speak evil" of his neighbour, any more than he can lie either for God or man. He cannot utter an unkind word of any one; for love keeps the door of his lips. He cannot speak "idle words;" "no corrupt communication" ever "comes out of his mouth," as is all that "which is" not "good to the use of edifying," not "fit to minister grace to the hearers." But "whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are" justly "of good report," he thinks, and speaks, and acts, "adorning the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ in all things."

    16. Lastly. As he has time, he "does good unto all men;" unto neighbours and strangers, friends and enemies: And that in every possible kind; not only to their bodies, by "feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, visiting those that are sick or in prison;" but much more does he labour to do good to their souls, as of the ability which God giveth; to awaken those that sleep in death; to bring those who are awakened to the atoning blood, that, "being justified by faith, they may have peace with God;" and to provoke those who have peace with God to abound more in love and in good works.

    17. These are the principles and practices of our sect; these are the marks of a true Methodist. By these alone do those who are in derision so called, desire to be distinguished from other men. If any man say, "Why, these are only the common fundamental principles of Christianity!" thou hast said; so I mean; this is the very truth; I know they are no other; and I would to God both thou and all men knew, that I, and all who follow my judgment, do vehemently refuse to be distinguished from other men, by any but the common principles of Christianity, -- the plain, old Christianity that I teach, renouncing and detesting all other marks of distinction. And having the mind that was in Christ, he so walks as Christ also walked.

    (From 'The Character of a Methodist' work by John Wesley John Wesley, The Character of a Methodist | The Confessing Movement) __________________
     
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    1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,

    Paul came across certain disciples but did not know what kind of disciples they were.

    2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.

    That first question has led Paul to suspect that they were not disciples of Jesus Christ for why he had asked them of what water baptism they were under next.

    3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.

    So now Paul knows they were disciples of John the Baptist's because John the Baptist did have his own disciples. So then Paul proceeded to tell them about Jesus Christ as the One that john the Baptist was preaching about to believe in.

    4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

    This was then they became believers in Jesus Christ and why they wanted to be water baptized in Jesus's name because they were not believers before.

    5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

    Then they had received the promise of the Spirit at their salvation.

    6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
    7 And all the men were about twelve.

    Being in the city of Ephesus and out in public, these new believers spoke in tongues to all those around them as a witness and a sign to unbelievers.

    Acts 19:1-7 cannot be used as proof text that a believer can receive the Holy Spirit with the sign of tongues apart from salvation when they were not disciples of Jesus Christ to begin with.
     
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    Searching for a new argument by posting to a thread where the last post is three years old? How badly do you need to contend?
     
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    Please, I am only replying to you on this thread because I believe that you A Solid Believer! Here is my statement to this OP, NO I have Never Received the Gift Of the Holy Spirit, with the Evidence of Speaking in Tongues! OK, I would like to ask everyone on this Forum to Pray that I do! Thank's to All!
     
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    So many modern day tongue speakers in this very forum use that reference to prove that believers can receive another baptism of the Holy Ghost by a sign of tongues when Acts 19 was about the disciples of John the Baptist's that became believers in Jesus Christ.

    That is an example of how modern day tongue speakers do not read what is plainly written as they vainly try to fit that extra supernatural phenomenon into scripture when it does not say that at all.
     
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    For what? It is not fruitful to you until someone else interprets it for you. That is why Paul exhorts believers that if they seek a spiritual gift, seek the gift of prophesy. You get edified right away, because you understand what you are saying as led by the Spirit to say in your native tongue.

    So do what Paul told you to do.. seek the gift of prophesy over all spiritual gifts, especially over tongues.

    And you do not need to receive the Holy Spirit again to get any gift, but that apostate calling is why that tongue never comes with interpretation.
     
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    Thanks for expressing the Love, I do not need to be scolded by you!
     
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    Good morning brother @Truth [it's morning in New Zealand] You do not need to be able to speak in tongues for the Holy Spirit to be present within you. Speaking in tongues is a sign of the indwelling Spirit within [true] but no the only sign. I will pray for you brother but I truly doubt that I would need to...;) Bless you and Peace!
     
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    I am Great-full for your response, and Worship Inspiration Song! I truly believe that the Spirit has been leading me, it is when others reject the testimony I have given about what has happened in me, which I gave credit to the Holy Spirit!
    There are some on this Forum that say that what I experienced was not the Holy Spirit, and I should have never accredited it to the Holy Spirit! Well anyway I will just continue to walk forward in my Faith! Thank's Again, and I will do like Mary and ponder on the words Spoken unto me!
     
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    Angelina Prayer Warrior Staff Member Admin

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    You are welcome my brother :):)
     
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    As if you never corrected any one in Christ's love that requires even a harsh rebuke?

    Titus 1:13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith; 14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.

    I hardly gave you a harsh rebuke, but a question regarding how incredulous your reply when Paul was telling you to seek the gift of prophesy instead, 1 Corinthians 14:1 and it does not require another baptism of the Holy Ghost to do it either when 1 Corinthians 12:13 testifies that in regards to seeking spiritual gifts there is no need for a believer to seek another baptism of the Holy Ghost to get any spiritual gift.

    1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

    While also ignoring the warning given by Paul for you not to seek such a thing just to get tongues.

    2 Corinthians 11:1Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me. 2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. 3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

    So yeah.. I was giving you an honest question for you to reconsider, but if you want to consider it a scolding, then take Paul's words as a scolding.
     
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    Here is my problem with you response, you took a stand, not considering that maybe I do realize that Paul declared that the Gift of tongues is the Least of all the Gifts, But it is a Gift, as all the other Gift's. If it were not a Gift, then why is even Scripture! Paul say;s that he speak's in tongues more than anyone, but would rather say 10 words in a know language, that speak in a unknown tongue.
    I never really get angry, with any one ! So if you think that sharply correcting someone is the action that gain's great results! Then one must do what one must do!
     
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    And @Angelina
    Is there anyway at all that you can caution 'JesusIsFaithful' for bringing his anti-baptism rants into every thread?
    He had told us that by our speaking in tongues privately and in intercessory prayer ...that we will be amongst the foolish virgins or worse. I would love to go back through all his anti-Baptism of the Holy Spirit posts and count them for you... He even bumped this old thread to "prove his point yet again"...

    Sometimes what he says is 'almost' but not quite , blasphemous.
    The poor man is almost terrified of any of us who speak in tongues outside a church meeting.
    He has said it over and over every which way from Sunday...
    Are people allowed to keep on and on hounding their pet peeve and keep telling others that they are wrong and deceived?

    You could even peep at posts #61 and before between Hidden In Him and 'JesusIsFaithful' for a example...he attacks who we are by what we believe...of thread https://www.christianityboard.com/threads/testing-the-spirits.26424/page-4#post-433207

    * Many of us have really tried with him, really....we have TOLD him that none of us believe that tongues are the proof of salvation or of the infilling of the Spirit.
    Yet he continues to argue his point , every day in pretty much every thread he writes in? It's becoming his only message!!

    Just saying.....
     
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    @JesusIsFaithful SAYS YOU!!!!!

    What Paul said was...and strange that you never quote it...
    " I speak in tongues more than ye all..."

    1 Cor 14:18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:
    19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.
    " IN THE CHURCH service.

    So, where on earth WAS Paul when he "Thanked God that he "spoke in tongues more than ye all" ?????
    He was in PRIVATE.

     
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