Hebrews 7

[Angelina]

Just happen to be reading this tonight...and it is truly awesome! :)

11 Therefore, if perfection were through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there that another priest should rise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be called according to the order of Aaron? 12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law. 13 For He of whom these things are spoken belongs to another tribe, from which no man has officiated at the altar.
14 For it is evident that our Lord arose from Judah, of which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning priesthood. 15 And it is yet far more evident if, in the likeness of Melchizedek, there arises another priest 16 who has come, not according to the law of a fleshly commandment, but according to the power of an endless life. 17 For He testifies:


“You are a priest forever
According to the order of Melchizedek.”


18 For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness, 19 for the law made nothing perfect; on the other hand, there is the bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.


Greatness of the New Priest
20 And inasmuch as He was not made priest without an oath 21 (for they have become priests without an oath, but He with an oath by Him who said to Him:


“The Lord has sworn
And will not relent,
‘You are a priest forever
According to the order of Melchizedek’”),


22 by so much more Jesus has become a surety of a better covenant.
23 Also there were many priests, because they were prevented by death from continuing. 24 But He, because He continues forever, has an unchangeable priesthood. 25 Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.
26 For such a High Priest was fitting for us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and has become higher than the heavens; 27 who does not need daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the people’s, for this He did once for all when He offered up Himself. 28 For the law appoints as high priests men who have weakness, but the word of the oath, which came after the law, appoints the Son who has been perfected forever.

Blessings!!!

 

[Trekson]

Excellent post Angie, but it will just fly over the head of lawkeepers, imo.

 

[Arnie Manitoba]

best wishes angelina .... hebrews is written to religious jews who are aware of , and are contemplating christianity ,,, and the author of the book of hebrews is reconciling the old testament with the new .... it is almost the whole bible summarized in one book. excellent.

be careful not to read everything in hebrews as thought it should relate to you personally however .... you would have to be a religious jew to apply and understand it literally .... that is where many christians get all mixed up reading the book.

hebrews is also an excellent book to use to evangelize jewish folks .... if you can get them to listen. ... many jews still think christianity is something invented by the vatican 2000 years ago .... just as we see islam as some strange man-made religion .... many jews look at christians the same way.

anyway .... bless your reading of hebrews angelina ... it is one of my favorite books too. best wishes.

 

[daq]

What I find intriguing is that the same author employs the very same words for Enoch revealing that Hebrews 7:12 speaks more likely of a transformation of the Law rather than either an "altering" or "abolishing" of it. Thus Torah has been transformed into Spirit Torah through the supernal Testimony of Yeshua which is supplied graciously and abundantly throughout the Gospel accounts. Yet one more reason the the Master gave his own innocent life on the stake, and poured out his soul unto death, was for to CONFIRM his Testimony-interpretation of Torah in behalf of the great congregation. :)

Hebrews 11:5 KJV
5. By faith Enoch was translated [GSN#3346 metatithemi] that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated [GSN#3346 metatithemi] him: for before his translation [GSN#3331 metathesis] he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

Hebrews 7:12 KJV
12. For the priesthood being changed, [GSN#3346 metatithemi] there is made of necessity a change [GSN#3331 metathesis] also of the law.

Original Strong's Ref. #3346
Romanized metatithemi
Pronounced met-at-ith'-ay-mee
from GSN3326 and GSN5087; to transfer, i.e. (literally) transport, (by implication) exchange (reflexively) change sides, or (figuratively) pervert:
KJV--carry over, change, remove, translate, turn.

Original Strong's Ref. #3331
Romanized metathesis
Pronounced met-ath'-es-is
from GSN3346; transposition, i.e. transferral (to heaven), disestablishment (of a law):
KJV--change, removing, translation.

Hebrews 7:12 TUA (Transliterated Unaccented Bible)
12. Metatithemenes gar tes hierosunes exanangkes kai nomou metathesis ginetai.
"Because the priesthood being transformed necessitates also a law transformation coming to pass"... :)

 

[John_8:32]

So the law was changed, which law?

P.S., There has been a change in the tax laws this year, do we assume they are done away? Why don't you try that argument with the IRS?

Heb 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

Again I ask which law? This one?

Lev 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

What is the subject we are speaking to? I'll help you out, this is the law that was changed...

Exo 28:1 And take thou unto thee Aaron thy brother, and his sons with him, from among the children of Israel, that he may minister unto me in the priest's office, even Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, Eleazar and Ithamar, Aaron's sons.

The law of genetics here is that only Levites in general and direct descendants of Aaron in particular could be Priests of the Old Covenant...

Heb 7:13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
Heb 7:14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
Heb 7:15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
Heb 7:16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal (Meaning flesh) commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
Heb 7:17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
Heb 7:18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
Heb 7:19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
Heb 7:20 And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest:
Heb 7:21 (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec:)
Heb 7:22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.
Heb 7:23 And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death:
Heb 7:24 But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.
Heb 7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
Heb 7:26 For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;
Heb 7:27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.
Heb 7:28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.

The law that was changed was the law that dictated that only one of the tribe of Levi and a direct descendant of Aaron could be a Priest. The law was changed to allow Christ, who came form the tribe of Judah...

Heb 7:14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

Which could not serve as a Priest under the Levitical Priesthood. The Priesthood was changed to Melchisidec and because God WILL NOT violate His own law, He changed the law to reflect the change in Priesthood.

So how do you reason that this has abrogated any of the Ten Commandments? So, was that really a great post Angelina? Or was it somewhat misinformed?

 

[daq]

Hi John_8:32. I do not presume to speak for the OP but I also do not see were the OP made the point that you are suggesting was made. Anyways my point in resurrecting this thread was that "changed" gives the false impression of "altered" when in reality the shadows and shades of supernal Torah have now been transformed into supernal inner truth by the Testimony of Yeshua, (through his own interpretations of Torah which were in opposition to the flesh interpretations of the Pharisees, Sadducees, and Scribes). The only thing then becoming "annulled" is the same which was prophesied to be "annulled" in Isaiah 28, (the "Covenant with Death") which was indeed how the priesthood ruled the people; from the one High Priest to the next, because of the weakness of the flesh in the commandment going forward, (for as mortal men they kept "waxing old, dying, and decaying" and needing to be replaced). The Covenant of the High Priesthood is the ONLY portion of the Covenant not given by an oath. Yet we have manifold promises given to Aaron and his sons for an everlasting priesthood, (Moses was the first High Priest, not Aaron). :)

 

[Arnie Manitoba]

Plenty of gentile Christians get all twisted out of shape reading the book of Hebrews.

because the book of Hebrews was never written for gentile Christians

it was written to religious observant Jews who were trying to reconcile the old testament and the fulfillment of it through Christ.

The book of Hebrews can be very valuable reading for the gentile christian but we should leave it at that ..... if you try to apply it literally to yourself you will run into endless trouble

The Gentile Christian should primarily focus on the gospel to the gentiles

Why else would God give a gospel to the gentiles that differs from the messages to Israel ????

He didn't do it just to fill pages in the bible.

 

[dragonfly]

Hi Arnie,

The Gentile Christian should primarily focus on the gospel to the gentiles

Why else would God give a gospel to the gentiles that differs from the messages to Israel ????

There is not a different gospel for Jews from the gospel to the Gentiles.

I find the whole of Hebrews very enlightening, since I knew nothing about the way God had planned a large enough family (Abraham's descendants) through which to prophesy (to the world - to bless all the nations of the earth), the birth into which of the Saviour (of the world). for whom the world had been waiting since God promised Him to Eve.

Of course the book of Hebrews puts Jewish things into their eternal context, and explains the great significance of Christ's priesthood, but His priesthood was not for the Jews only, although it appears (naturally John 4:22c) in the Jewish context.

He was your great High Priest as well as mine and the rest of the world's. We all needed a perfect Man to be a substitutionary sacrifice for us, who was also pure enough to enter God's presence to present the sacrifice of Himself, to God on our behalf.

Sin was (and is) not (just) a 'Jewish' problem. In one sense, any descendant of Adam could have become the father of faith, but God chose Abram.



Greetings, daq,

Hi John_8:32. I do not presume to speak for the OP but I also do not see were the OP made the point that you are suggesting was made. Anyways my point in resurrecting this thread was that "changed" gives the false impression of "altered" when in reality the shadows and shades of supernal Torah have now been transformed into supernal inner truth by the Testimony of Yeshua, (through his own interpretations of Torah which were in opposition to the flesh interpretations of the Pharisees, Sadducees, and Scribes). The only thing then becoming "annulled" is the same which was prophesied to be "annulled" in Isaiah 28, (the "Covenant with Death") which was indeed how the priesthood ruled the people; from the one High Priest to the next, because of the weakness of the flesh in the commandment going forward, (for as mortal men they kept "waxing old, dying, and decaying" and needing to be replaced). The Covenant of the High Priesthood is the ONLY portion of the Covenant not given by an oath. Yet we have manifold promises given to Aaron and his sons for an everlasting priesthood, (Moses was the first High Priest, not Aaron). :)

I very much enjoyed your posts on this topic, especially 'the Covenant with Death' comment. Thanks :)

 

[daq]

Plenty of gentile Christians get all twisted out of shape reading the book of Hebrews.

because the book of Hebrews was never written for gentile Christians

it was written to religious observant Jews who were trying to reconcile the old testament and the fulfillment of it through Christ.

The book of Hebrews can be very valuable reading for the gentile christian but we should leave it at that ..... if you try to apply it literally to yourself you will run into endless trouble

The Gentile Christian should primarily focus on the gospel to the gentiles

Why else would God give a gospel to the gentiles that differs from the messages to Israel ????

He didn't do it just to fill pages in the bible.

There is no "different" Gospel to the Gentiles. The same which the Master preaches to the Pharisees, Sadducees, and Scribes he also speaks to the Gentiles; that is, that one must have a change of heart and begin to see things supernal and spiritually as all things which are of the Kingdom of Heaven pertain to the inner man, ("inside of the cup") and not the outer body of the flesh, (which "mind of the flesh" must needs be put to death or "mortified" with its deeds). The Canaanite woman of Tyre is a Gentile is she not? Yet even "worship" was not the point but rather change of heart and mindset. The same is true of even Nicodemus the Pharisee who realized in the end that he was nothing more than a leper and a beggar coming to the true Master in the night begging for crumbs of truth from his table. It was not Torah which was the problem but the errant interpretations of it which had been used to nullify the truth:

Matthew 15:1-20 KJV
1. Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying,
2. Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.
3. But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
4. For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.
5. But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;
6. And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
7. Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
8. This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9. But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
10. And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand:
11. Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.
12. Then came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying?
13. But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.
14. Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.
15. Then answered Peter and said unto him, Declare unto us this parable.
16. And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?
17. Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?
18. But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
19. For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
20. These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.

The following occurs in a different setting-location but remains within the same contextual thinking:

Matthew 15:21-28 KJV
21. Then Jesus went thence, and departed into the coasts of Tyre and Sidon.
22. And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.
23. But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.
24. But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
25. Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.
26. But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.
27. And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.
28. Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.

Where is this statement ever rescinded, altered, abrogated, or explained away?

"I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel" ...

Never has been and never will be.
Therefore it is us who must change our mindset ... :)

 

[Arnie Manitoba]

Anyone here who wants to try apply the book of Hebrews to themselves personally ..... be my guest .... I could care less.

If anyone here wants to go build an ark like Noah did , go ahead , be my guest

If anyone here wants to be a gentile christian pretending to be a Jew pretending to apply the book of Hebrews , go right ahead.

Eat your hearts out.

 

[Webers_Home]

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I really don't think Heb 7:11-28 is saying that Moses' covenanted law has been
revised in order to accommodate a high priest from the tribe of Judah because
as every instructed Jew (including Jesus) knows very well: Moses' covenanted
law is everlasting. What I think Heb 7:11-28 says is that since Moses' covenanted
law is unchangeable, then in order to set up a high priest from the tribe of Judah,
it was necessary to do it by means of an altogether separate covenant; viz: the
new covenant.

Buen Camino
/

 

[John_8:32]

.
I really don't think Heb 7:11-28 is saying that Moses' covenanted law has been
revised in order to accommodate a high priest from the tribe of Judah because
as every instructed Jew (including Jesus) knows very well: Moses' covenanted
law is everlasting.

You may think what you want, but this is what Heb 7:12 says...

Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

What I think Heb 7:11-28 says is that since Moses' covenanted
law is unchangeable, then in order to set up a high priest from the tribe of Judah,
it was necessary to do it by means of an altogether separate covenant; viz: the
new covenant.

Buen Camino
/

The New Covenant was the writing of the existing law in the hearts and minds...

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which My covenant they brake, and I abhorred them, declareth the Lord:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put My law in their inward parts, and write it on their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be My People.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, "Know the LORD:' for they shall all know Me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD; for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Now just in case there is some confusion over which law is spoken of in verse 33, the word for law there is...

H8451
תּרה תּורה
tôrâh tôrâh
to-raw', to-raw'
From H3384; a precept or statute, especially the Decalogue or Pentateuch: - law.

The Torah.

The New Covenant is the agreement, just like the Old Covenant was. The Law was separate from the covenant in that it is the terms and conditions of the Covenant, but the Covenant itself is...

Exo 24:3 And Moses came and told the people all the words of the LORD, and all the judgments: and all the people answered with one voice, and said, All the words which the LORD hath said will we do.

This is the covenant, the agreeement to obey God. The Law describes what they were to obey

 

[dragonfly]

Hi all,

This is an illuminating thread indeed! John, thanksfor Exodus 24:3. Amen.


To W_H,

Moses' covenanted law is everlasting

Any scripture for this statement? (Seriously. We know the law was added because of trangressions. See Galatians.)


Secondly, the Lamb which takes away the sin of the world was God's sacrificial contribution to the covenant He made with Abraham to bless all nations.

Hebrews 9:15 clearly states that those (believing) Jews who died trusting in the first covenant (the Mosaic covenant) had their sins atoned for by Christ, since the blood of bulls and goats could never take away sins - Hebrews 10:4 - but the great appeal of the gospel to Jews is this:

Acts 13:8 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins: 39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

For these two reasons (Acts 13:8, 9 and Hebrews 9:15 (backed up by Romans 4:16)) the New Covenant in Christ's blood was the connection between the gospel preached to Abraham - Gal 3:8 - which culminates in the outpouring of the Holy Spirit upon the Gentiles - Gal 3:14 - (Acts 10).

It is one gospel, with different stages of expression and experience of the same God who is our Redeemer.

 

[daq]

Moses is the first High Priest. Nowhere is Aaron ever called Kohen Gadol, (High Priest) but rather always simply "Aaron the priest". This is why Moses performs all of the things which are done in preparation for Aaron and his sons including the consecration of them in their holy garments. Moses "stood" between the Most High and the people as he states in Deuteronomy 5:5 and this is precisely the duty of the High Priest. In addition there are two versions of the Covenant in play and they are the "Covenant at Sinai" and the "Covenant at Horeb" the Mountain of God. They are the same Covenant and the same "mountain" however the Covenant of Sinai represents those who see all things according to the flesh, and the mind of the flesh, which leads to bondage, (Re: Galatians 4:22-26 KJV). The Covenant of Horeb represents those willing to see all things according to the Spirit and Testimony of Yeshua. The same two women are portrayed in the Book of the Revelation of Yeshua, (the women are the cities are the Covenants).

Deuteronomy 5:1-6 KJV
1. And Moses called all Israel, and said unto them, Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your ears this day, that ye may learn them, and keep, and do them.
2. The Lord our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.
3. The Lord made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.
4. The Lord talked with you face to face in the mount out of the midst of the fire,
5. (I stood between the Lord and you at that time, to shew you the word of the Lord: for ye were afraid by reason of the fire, and went not up into the mount;) saying,
6. I am the Lord thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.

This will also help those prophecy students when it comes to Jude 1:9 concerning "the soma-body of Moses" which was folded into Messiah in the Third Day upon his resurrection, (Matthew 27:52-53 KJV). Jude does not speak of the physical soma-body of Moses the individual man, (which the Father could raise at anytime he so desires) but rather Jude speaks of the O/T-Tanak "body of Moses" which the Malak of YHWH disputed over; and not only throughout the forty years wilderness journey but the entire Old Testament period until the advent of Messiah. Joshua is therefore the next High Priest after Moses and this is why Jude 1:9 quotes Zechariah 3:2, (Joshua son of Nun-perpetuity is the High Priest of Zechariah 3, not Jeshua son of Josedech who was also High Priest). The vision from Zechariah 3 pertains to the account given in Joshua 5:13-15 KJV. :)

Old Testament Saints ~ Body of Moses
New Testament Saints ~ Body of Yeshua

 

[John_8:32]

Hi all,

This is an illuminating thread indeed! John, thanksfor Exodus 24:3. Amen.


To W_H,

Moses' covenanted law is everlasting

Any scripture for this statement?Christ's very own words...

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Now when will ALL be fulfilled?

Isa 9:7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

(Seriously. We know the law was added because of trangressions. See Galatians.)

What was added?

Deu 5:22 These words the LORD spake unto all your assembly in the mount out of the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness, with a great voice: and he added no more. And he wrote them in two tables of stone, and delivered them unto me.

Jer 7:22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:
Jer 7:23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.

What was added were the sacrificial laws and they were added about 9 months after Mt. Sinai...

Exo 19:1 In the third month, when the children of Israel were gone forth out of the land of Egypt, the same day came they into the wilderness of Sinai.

Then the Ten Commandments were given. Now let's fast forward 9 months...

Exo 40:2 On the first day of the first month shalt thou set up the tabernacle of the tent of the congregation.

Sacrifices could not be offered by the Priesthood until all these things were in place. It is pretty easy to go back and find all ten of the Commandments in effect prior to Mt. Sinai, but sacfrices performed by a Levitical/Aaronic Priesthood did not begin until about 9 months after Mt. Sinai.

Secondly, the Lamb which takes away the sin of the world was God's sacrificial contribution to the covenant He made with Abraham to bless all nations.

Hebrews 9:15 clearly states that those (believing) Jews who died trusting in the first covenant (the Mosaic covenant) had their sins atoned for by Christ, since the blood of bulls and goats could never take away sins - Hebrews 10:4 - but the great appeal of the gospel to Jews is this:

Acts 13:8 [/size]Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins: 39 [/size]And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

For these two reasons (Acts 13:8, 9 and Hebrews 9:15 (backed up by Romans 4:16)) the New Covenant in Christ's blood was the connection between the gospel preached to Abraham - Gal 3:8 - which culminates in the outpouring of the Holy Spirit upon the Gentiles - Gal 3:14 - (Acts 10).

It is one gospel, with different stages of expression and experience of the same God who is our Redeemer.

You are very correct here to understand that God is consistent, He did not throw out all that preceeded the crucifixion, it was simply the groundwork laid for salvation. God's plan is not a hodgepodge, but a cohesive 7000 year plan of salvation for all.

 

[Webers_Home]

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dragonfly, on 13 Feb 2013 - 06:28, said : Any scripture for this statement?

Yes; of course: there's lots of it. If you have access to an electronic KJV
Strong's Concordance, do a search of the words "everlasting" and "ever"
in the Old Testament and I think you'll be amazed at the number of times
those words pull up in reference to Moses' law and the levitical priesthood.

Where the author of the letter to Hebrews says that a change in the
priesthood requires a change in Moses' law; he assumes his Jewish
audience has enough yeshiva under their belts to be well aware that
changes to Moses' law will never happen; hence the necessity of
legislating an entirely new law: viz: the new covenant.

The language and grammar of Heb 7:11-28 are tricky, and if one isn't
careful; it can lead them to conclude Moses' law has been revised to
accommodate a priest from the tribe of Judah; but no, it hasn't; and it
never will because the levitical priesthood might be obsolete; but it is far
from being over and done with.

†. Jer 33:17-18 . . For thus speaks Yhvh: David shall never want a man
to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel; neither shall the priests the
Levites want a man before me to offer burnt offerings, and to kindle meat
offerings, and to do sacrifice continually.

Bible students are oftentimes perplexed as to why there's going to be a
fully functioning Temple in the millennium since they've been instructed
that Christ's priesthood made the Levitical priesthood obsolete. Well; one
reason is: Christ's priesthood is restricted to the Temple in heaven.

†. Heb 8:4 . . For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing
that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law.

God isn't done with the Levitical priesthood just yet; no, not yet.

†. Mal 3:2-4 . . But who can endure the day of his coming? Who can
stand when he appears? For he will be like a refiner's fire or a launderer's
soap. He will sit as a refiner and purifier of silver; he will purify the Levites
and refine them like gold and silver. Then Yhvh will have men who will bring
offerings in righteousness, and the offerings of Judah and Jerusalem will
be acceptable to Yhvh, as in days gone by, as in former years.

The letter to Hebrews isn't for everybody; and it's author says so at
Heb 5:11-14. The problem isn't the letter; it's the reader. For one thing;
it is essential to be grounded in Old Testament Judaism first before
attempting to navigate the letter because it's meant for a people whose
religion is Judaism rather than Christianity, or Islam, or Hinduism; et al.
Unless one can "see" this letter from the Jewish perspective; they will
never get it right; and I highly recommend that they leave it alone till
they're better prepared to take it on or they risk finding themselves victims
of some rather strange theories.

daq, on 13 Feb 2013 - 07:43, said : Nowhere is Aaron ever called
Kohen Gadol, (High Priest but rather always simply "Aaron the priest".

Did you look in the letter to Hebrews?

†. Heb 9:6-8 . .When everything had been arranged like this, the priests
entered regularly into the outer room to carry on their ministry. But only
the high priest entered the inner room, and that only once a year, and
never without blood, which he offered for himself and for the sins the
people had committed in ignorance.

The once-a-year ministry inside the inner room was Aaron's job (Ex 30:10).
Ergo: Aaron was a high priest.

†. Heb 13:10-11 . .We have an altar, whereof they have no right to eat
which serve the tabernacle. For the bodies of those beasts, whose blood
is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without
the camp.

It wasn't Moses job to bring the blood of beasts into the sanctuary; it was
Aaron's. Ergo: Aaron was a high priest.

High priests were consecrated by dousing them with a special oil and
clothing them with special garments (Lev 8:12, Lev 21:10) . Ergo: Aaron was
a high priest.

Buen Camino
/

 

[daq]

Greetings, daq,


I very much enjoyed your posts on this topic, especially 'the Covenant with Death' comment. Thanks :)

There is now more here: Priesthood ~ Reply#21-54

The letter to Hebrews isn't for everybody; and it's author says so at
Heb 5:11-14. The problem isn't the letter; it's the reader. For one thing;
it is essential to be grounded in Old Testament Judaism first before
attempting to navigate the letter because it's meant for a people whose
religion is Judaism rather than Christianity, or Islam, or Hinduism; et al.
Unless one can "see" this letter from the Jewish perspective; they will
never get it right; and I highly recommend that they leave it alone till
they're better prepared to take it on or they risk finding themselves victims
of some rather strange theories.

daq, on 13 Feb 2013 - 07:43, said : Nowhere is Aaron ever called
Kohen Gadol, (High Priest but rather always simply "Aaron the priest".

Did you look in the letter to Hebrews?
†. Heb 9:6-8 . .When everything had been arranged like this, the priests
entered regularly into the outer room to carry on their ministry. But only
the high priest entered the inner room, and that only once a year, and
never without blood, which he offered for himself and for the sins the
people had committed in ignorance.

The once-a-year ministry inside the inner room was Aaron's job (Ex 30:10).
Ergo: Aaron was a high priest.
†. Heb 13:10-11 . .We have an altar, whereof they have no right to eat
which serve the tabernacle. For the bodies of those beasts, whose blood
is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without
the camp.

It wasn't Moses job to bring the blood of beasts into the sanctuary; it was
Aaron's. Ergo: Aaron was a high priest.

High priests were consecrated by dousing them with a special oil and
clothing them with special garments (Lev 8:12, Lev 21:10) . Ergo: Aaron was
a high priest.
Buen Camino
/

Did you never take any notice that Levi paid a tithe to Melchizedek before he was even born simply because the writer states that he was in the loins of father Abraham? And what then does the author of the Epistle to the Hebrews state that this fact reveals? It means that the Elohim Melchizedek priesthood is of the higher station and authority. By the same line of thinking it is surprising that one so learned as yourself never took any notice of the fact that the only portion of any sacrifice Moses received from man was that of the breast of the ram of the consecration of Aaron when Moses anointed him as commanded. This alone proves that the Elohim line of the priesthood of Moses is above that of his brother Aaron. Buenos Noches! :)