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    Webers_Home Well-Known Member

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    According to Luke 13:22-24, Matt 7:13-14, and Matt 22:14 the majority has
    not been making it to safety when they pass on.

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    so what you are saying and believing and would also have us accept is that the Saviour of the world is failing and has failed - exactly the opposite is the case imho - see Lk 12:32 - it seems you have a false love and have not yet realised that the majority are devils imho - twinc
     
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    According to John 8:29 and John 6:39 Christ is required to succeed only with
    those whom God has given him.

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    Through me; the way to the eternal city.
    Through me; the way to eternal sadness.
    Through me; the way to lost people.

    Justice moved my supreme maker:
    I was shaped by divine power,
    By highest wisdom, and by primal love.

    Before me, nothing was created
    That is not eternal: and eternally I endure.
    Abandon all hope, you that enter here.


    The Divine Comedy
    by Dante Alighieri
    Inferno: canto 3, v.1-9


    Dante's poetic epic is called a comedy because it has a happy ending as
    opposed to a tragedy; at least for Dante anyway. The souls he and Virgil
    pass along the way through the Inferno portion of Dante's odyssey will
    never, nor anon, have a happy ending; hence the sign above the entrance to
    the netherworld: "Abandon all hope, you that enter here."

    Webster's defines "despair' as: to no longer have any hope or belief that a
    situation will improve or change. Well; down in the Inferno section of
    Dante's concept, despair is a way of life.

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    Well....today I heard a sermon and the speaker said that he believes that more than 50% of the people in the churches are not saved.
    That's probably not that far off the truth.
     
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    Just read John 3:16 for those who believe in Christ and sadly for those that don't means eternal separation!
     
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    Mark 9:47-48 . . If your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out. It is better to
    enter the kingdom of God half blind than to have two eyes and be thrown
    into hell; where the worm never dies and the fire never goes out.

    Christ's instructions didn't reveal anything new. He simply reiterated
    information that had already been released by an Old Testament prophet
    roughly 700 years before.

    Isa 66:22-24 . . From one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to
    another, all mankind will come and bow down before me-- speaks the Lord.
    And they will go out and look upon the dead bodies of those who rebelled
    against Me: their worm will not die, nor will their fire be quenched, and they
    will be loathsome to all mankind.

    That rather ghastly scene depicts a sort of tourist attraction similar to the La
    Brea Tar Pits museum in Los Angeles where the remains of prehistoric
    creatures, excavated from ancient asphalt deposits, are on display.

    A worm that thrives in flame is pretty amazing, but not unreasonable. The 4
    inch Pompeii worm lives in sea water temperatures of 176° Fahrenheit, hot
    enough to kill salmonella and sanitize an egg. So I guess if God could create
    a worm like the Pompeii, it shouldn't be too difficult for Him to create worms
    that like it even warmer.

    Q: The human body is organic. So then, how can it survive in flame as
    perpetual nourishment for those worms?

    A: The laws of nature are not absolute. They were created in the first
    chapter of Genesis to control the behavior of created matter, and as such
    are easily manipulated by the one who designed them.

    For example: fire totally incinerated the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah but
    left unscathed a desert shrub that Moses encountered in the Sinai outback
    while tending his father-in-law's sheep. (Ex 3:1-3)

    Compare Dan 3:8-27 where a blistering hot fire left didn't even so much as
    singe the clothing of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-nego while slaying the
    guards that threw them in the furnace.

    Q: Won't the worms eventually exhaust their food supply?

    A: There are incidents in the Bible where small amounts of food stuffs were
    miraculously multiplied. One example is 1Kgs 17:8-16 where a tiny bit of
    flour and oil nourished Elijah and a widow woman, and her son, for a good
    many days during a time of prolonged drought.

    Another incident is at 2Kgs 4:1-7 where a certain widow's husband died and
    left her deeply in debt. God multiplied her last pot of oil sufficiently to sell
    enough to pay off her debts, thereby saving her two sons from slavery.

    No; I'm pretty sure those worms won't need to worry about running out of
    human remains with which to sustain themselves.

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    yes exactly right the children of God but the children of the devil are in the majority or have you not noticed - twinc
     
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    Judas goats are trained for use in slaughterhouses and herd control. In
    stockyards, they lead sheep to slaughter; and are also used to lead other
    animals to specific pens and on to trucks. The term is a reference to the
    biblical traitor Judas Iscariot.

    The phrase has also been used to describe goats utilized to locate feral goats
    targeted for eradication. They're usually outfitted with a transmitter, painted
    in red and then released. The goats then locate the remaining herds of feral
    goats, allowing hunters with tracking devices to find and exterminate them.
    The red paint marks the goat with the transmitter so the hunters know
    which one not to shoot.

    You know what can be even worse than going to hell? Your own children
    following you there: and they trusted you.

    Here's a sort of cute story I heard once. I don't know if it's true but I guess
    it sure is pertinent.

    A boozing farmer went out to his barn in the dead of night after a snowfall to
    sneak a pull from his liquor bottle. Just as he got to the barn door he heard
    something behind him. Turning, the farmer recognized his little boy coming
    towards him. In amazement he asked the little guy how he ever managed to
    find his way out to the barn in the dark. His son replied: It was easy; I
    walked in your footsteps.

    Can you just imagine the anguish that parents feel in the netherworld
    knowing that they inadvertently raised their children in an ideology that led
    them down the road to hell and all the while sincerely believing themselves
    doing the right thing? In other words: they actually Judas-goated their
    children to follow mom and dad down there. How do parents in hell cope
    with something like that on their conscience? For some families, the only
    thing they have to look forward to in the afterlife is a sad reunion in fire and
    despair; for example:

    Luke 16:27-29 . . Then he said: I beg you therefore, father [Abraham]
    that you would send [Lazarus] to my father's house, for I have five brothers,
    that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.

    That poor man had no way to contact his surviving kin and let them know
    his whereabouts; but his biggest fear was that he knew them all well enough
    to know that all five were coming down where he was-- there was nothing
    he could do to prevent it. Imagine that man's sorrow had those five been his
    children.

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    Luke 16:25 . . Abraham said to him: Son, remember

    I should think that one of the negative aspects of hell is memory. How
    people down there retain their memories sans the brain cells they left behind
    with their corpse, I don't know; but they do, just as the rich man is able to
    experience thirst sans a flesh and blood tongue.

    The older one gets, the more memories they accumulate, and many of those
    memories haunt us with terrible regret. However, the people in hell not only
    have to cope with their bad memories, but also the good ones too, and I
    should think it is remembering the good things they enjoyed in life that
    makes their situation only worse in the heat.

    They say it is better to have loved and lost, rather than not to have loved at
    all. I disagree. I suspect it is far better to not know what you're missing.
    Ignorance really would be bliss in the once-rich man's situation.

    Just think: that poor man is still in anguish down there to this very day;
    something like 1,958 years since Luke penned his gospel. In the grand
    scheme of things, that man is only just getting started on eternity because
    1,958 years is little more than a warm-up for the main event. To put that in
    perspective: 60 AD was something like 1,432 years before Columbus
    discovered America.

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    Fiction can be defined as stories about people, places, and events that,
    though untrue; are plausible; viz: realistic.

    Fantasy can be defined as stories about people, places, and events that are
    not only untrue; but implausible; viz: unrealistic.

    For example: a story about a boy like Pinocchio is unrealistic; while a story
    about a boy with autism is realistic. The difference between Pinocchio and a
    boy with autism is that the one is compatible with normal reality; while the
    other is far removed from normal reality.

    I have yet to read even one of Jesus Christ's parables that could not possibly
    be a real-life story. They're all actually quite believable-- farmers sowing
    seed, women losing coins, sons leaving home, wineskins bursting, tares
    among the wheat, leavened bread, barren fig trees, the blind leading the
    blind, et al.

    Now; if he had told one that alleged the moon was made of green cheese;
    we would have good reason to believe that at least that one was fantasy;
    but none of them are like that. At best; Christ's parables might qualify as
    fiction; but never fantasy because none of them are so far removed from
    normal reality that there is no possible chance of it ever being a real-life
    story.

    Luke 16:19-31 is commonly alleged to be a parable; which of course implies
    that the story is fiction; and some would even say fantasy. But the parable
    theory has a fatal flaw.

    Abraham, Moses, and the prophets are real-life persons; they are neither
    fiction nor fantasy.

    Abraham is especially notable because he's held in very high esteem by at
    least three of the world's prominent religions: Judaism, Christianity, and
    Islam.

    Abraham is also the friend of God (2Chrn 20:27, Isa 41:8). I simply cannot
    believe that Jesus Christ-- a man famous among Christians for his honesty
    and integrity --would say something untrue about a famous real-life man;
    especially one of his Father's buddies.

    And on top of that, the story quotes Abraham a number of times. Well; if the
    story is fiction, then Jesus Christ is on record testifying that Abraham said
    things that he didn't really say; which is a clear violation of the
    commandment that prohibits bearing false witness.

    There is something else to consider.

    Luke 16:19:31 didn't originate with Jesus Christ. No, it originated higher up.
    In other words: Jesus Christ was micro managed.

    John 3:34 . . He is sent by God. He speaks God's words

    John 8:26 . . He that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those
    things which I have heard of Him.

    John 8:28 . . I do nothing on my own initiative, but I speak these things as
    the Father taught me.

    John 12:49 . . I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me,
    He gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

    John 14:24 . .The word which you hear is not mine, but the Father's who
    sent me.

    When people allege that Luke 16:19-31 is not true to life; they insinuate
    that God is a person of marginal integrity who can't be trusted to tell the
    truth about people, not even about His own friends.

    Unless somebody can prove clearly, conclusively, and without ambiguity or a
    shadow of sensible doubt, that Christ's Father is a tale-spinner; I pretty
    much have to assume the narrative was drawn from real-life; and if not
    drawn from real life, then at least based upon real life.

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    Creeping up the blind side, shinning up the wall,
    stealing through the dark of the night.
    Climbing through a window, stepping to the floor
    checking to the left and the right.
    Picking up the pieces, putting them away;
    something doesn't feel quite right.

    Help me someone, let me out of here.
    Then out of the dark was suddenly heard:
    Welcome to the Home by the Sea

    Coming out the woodwork, through the open door,
    pushing from above and below.
    Shadows with no substance, in the shape of men;
    round and down and sideways they go.
    Adrift without direction, eyes that hold despair
    then as one they sigh and they moan:

    Help us someone, let us out of here.
    Living here so long undisturbed,
    dreaming of the time we were free
    so many years ago
    before the time when we first heard:
    Welcome to the Home by the Sea

    Sit down . . Sit down
    As we relive our lives in what we tell you

    Images of sorrow, pictures of delight
    things that go to make up a life.
    Endless days of summer, longer nights of gloom
    waiting for the morning light.
    Scenes of unimportance, photos in a frame
    things that go to make up a life.

    Sit down . . Sit down
    Cause you won't get away,
    no; with us you will stay
    for the rest of your days.
    So sit down as we relive our lives in what we tell you.
    Let us relive our lives in what we tell you.


    Home By The Sea
    Genesis, 1983
    Phil Collins, Tony Banks, Mike Rutherford


    The lyrics of that song are so sad because it depicts how the only thing
    people have to do down in the netherworld to help pass the time is tell each
    other about their previous lives. There is, of course, nothing to tell about
    their lives in hell since the colloquialism "get a life" is a non sequitur in that
    place. Nobody has a life down there; nor any hope of getting one.

    Ecc 9:10 . . Whatever your hand finds to do, verily, do it with all your
    might; for there is no activity or planning or knowledge or wisdom in sheol
    where you are going.

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    Back when Noah was preparing the ark, no doubt his neighbors all mocked
    and poked fun at him like one of those deranged souls that go around with a
    sandwich board that reads: Repent; The End Is Near!

    But when the rain started, I bet those very same neighbors panicked and
    tried to get Noah to open up and let them in. But even had Noah wanted to;
    he couldn't. The hatch of the ark was shut from the outside: and God was
    the only one on earth who could open it-- He chose not to.

    Rev 1:18 . . I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive
    forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death.

    Rev 3:7 . .These are the words of him who is holy and true: who holds the
    key of David. What he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can
    open.

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    Christianity is sometimes criticized as a religion of fear. Well; that criticism is
    not entirely without merit.

    Luke 12:4-6 . . I tell you, my friends: do not be afraid of those who kill
    the body and after that can do no more. But I will show you whom you
    should fear: fear Him who, after the killing of the body, has power to throw
    you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear Him.

    For the longest time I thought it very curious that Christ didn't say that to
    his opponents, rather; to his disciples. (Luke 12:1)

    The koiné Greek word for "disciples" is mathetes (math-ay-tes') which
    essentially identifies a learner; viz: pupils and students.

    Jesus had at least seventy students (Luke 10:1) and quite possibly more
    that aren't mentioned. Anyway, point being: Christ's students weren't
    accomplished. They didn't really have it all down pat.

    It's the same today; all over the world, there are people in the process of
    learning about Christianity in Sunday schools, sermons and lectures, books,
    missions, evangelistic crusades, the internet, and from radio and television
    programs in accordance with Christ's wishes as per Matt 28:18-20.

    Christ was not shy about informing his students as to the grim possibility of
    their going to hell; and Christian teachers today really ought to be following
    his example and not leave their audiences with the false impression that
    there's nothing to worry about ignoring Christ's teachings.

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    what we have here is a great truth that goes unnoticed as if of no importance = God's chosen ones were aboard and safe the others are locked out = imho God's chosen ones having nothing to fear = fear not little flock it is our good fortune to be given the kingdom = I know mine and mine know me = are we chosen = do we know our God and does our God know us for many are called but few are specially chosen imho - twinc
     
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    And who is criticizing it as a religion of fear?
    Satan, that's where that comes from, and Christianity is not a "religion".

    Last time I did a Bible search on "fear", more than 60 scriptures showed up telling us not to fear.
     
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    Well said! Christianity is a relationship not a religion.

    Are we back on speaking terms now? I am in a good mood today ;) lol
     
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    No talking about art though! ;-)
     
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    who exactly do you mean by us because devils fear and tremble - twinc
     
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