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23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

24 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:

25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.

he shall be called emmanuel but why do we call him jesus
did joseph and mary named him JESUS instead of Emmanuel for there is no meaning to JESUS but there is a meaningful to Emmanuel for it is God with us
 
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23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

24 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:

25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.

he shall be called emmanuel but why do we call him jesus
did joseph and mary named him JESUS instead of Emmanuel for there is no meaning to JESUS but there is a meaningful to Emmanuel for it is God with us

The conundrum of names...LOL
Other than the first chapter of Matthew No one calls Christ Emmanuel in the NT. Emmanuel ... Immanuel....
It is a reference to Isaiah 7:14 and that is a long topic.
Miriam did not name her Son Jesus......No one knows where that name came from....His name is Yeshua.
But where did all the "J's" come from....The letter "J" came out 1400 years after Christ. Some one took the initiative to change all the names of persons, places, things...from Y's to J's. Yahweh...Yob....Yacob...Yoshua...Yames...yohn etc Since their actual names can be spelled and pronounce in English there is...was .... no excuse for it and no good explaination for it.

Christ mother's name was Miriam....Latin....Maria....English Mary. Again we can pronounce her name. Why did they mess around with her name? Maybe....probably they did not like the meaning of Miriam. Miriam in the Old Testament was Moses' and Aaron's sister and she chastised Moses for marrying a pagan woman and God punished her and her name means rebellion in Hebrew. In a clumsy attempt to cover that up they changed the name to Marie in the Vulgate....which means bitterness...as in the emotion...it is the same thing. And then to Mary which Maria and Mary both have a connection to the sea. Sea of bitterness. Some see a connection to beloved and you do not what to know where that is headed. Either way....Christ called His mother Miriam and she called Him Yeshua.
 
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he shall be called emmanuel but why do we call him jesus
did joseph and mary named him JESUS instead of Emmanuel for there is no meaning to JESUS but there is a meaningful to Emmanuel for it is God with us

"Jesus" is the English transliteration of the Greek "Iesous", which is the Greek Septuagint transliteration of the Hebrew "Y'shua", which means in Hebrew, "Yahweh Saves". Which is both His name, and His job description.

But we believe He is also, "God with us".
 

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"Jesus" is the English transliteration of the Greek "Iesous", which is the Greek Septuagint transliteration of the Hebrew "Y'shua", which means in Hebrew, "Yahweh Saves".
No one knows where the name or word Jesus came from. It has no connection to the Greek and "Iesous" has no phonic connection to the word Jesus.
As you might suspect the Greek being a Pagan Language did not have a word that meant Yahweh Saves! Or anything about God and Salvation.... "Iesous" is not the name of any Greek person....in the Greek it is not a name. So now you have to find out what it means and that will not be easy....But along the way you will find out the struggles the Apostles had with conveying Christian concepts in a completely Pagan language...
 

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Were I to guess, the "J" would come from the German "Jesu" ("Yay-su"), and they didn't transliterate it to "Y" when they brought the name into olde English. Or maybe "Y" didn't exist then. English picked up influences from all over Europe.

Check the Septuagint versions of the OT. It's available on Blue Letter Bible now. Joshua was transliterated to "Ἰησοῦς", and the NT writers picked it up. Greek doesn't have the "sh" sound, so sigma is as close as the Septuagint writers could get, but where did the ending "s" come from?

What I'm REALLY annoyed at is how "Iakob" (Jacob) got translated to "James" in the NT, except where specifically referring to the Patriarch. I heard that the translators of the King James Bible were trying to kiss the, er, curry favor with their patron. I don't know if that's historically documented, or just scurrilous.

As long as He answers when I pray in Jesus's name, I'm not going to get hung up on it.
 
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23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

24 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:

25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.

he shall be called emmanuel but why do we call him jesus
did joseph and mary named him JESUS instead of Emmanuel for there is no meaning to JESUS but there is a meaningful to Emmanuel for it is God with us

The name Immanual revealed to Joseph in a dream is not a name Stred, rather it is a descriptive term that the Bible actually interprets for us, God is with us. John 3:16 which you may be able to quote, shows that He is with us in the fact that He sent His son as a corresponding ransom for what Adam lost for us. The term also identified Jesus to be the promised one. The angel who spoke with Mary told her that they were to call his name Jesus, which means Jehovah is salvation. Luke 1:31
 

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Were I to guess, the "J" would come from the German "Jesu" ("Yay-su"), and they didn't transliterate it to "Y" when they brought the name into olde English. Or maybe "Y" didn't exist then. English picked up influences from all over Europe.

Check the Septuagint versions of the OT. It's available on Blue Letter Bible now. Joshua was transliterated to "Ἰησοῦς", and the NT writers picked it up. Greek doesn't have the "sh" sound, so sigma is as close as the Septuagint writers could get, but where did the ending "s" come from?

What I'm REALLY annoyed at is how "Iakob" (Jacob) got translated to "James" in the NT, except where specifically referring to the Patriarch. I heard that the translators of the King James Bible were trying to kiss the, er, curry favor with their patron. I don't know if that's historically documented, or just scurrilous.

As long as He answers when I pray in Jesus's name, I'm not going to get hung up on it.

The thing is if you research it, you will find more than one explaination of why it happened. And there are some that blame the Septuagint but that is not why the error occurred. Again "Ἰησοῦς" is not a name. It is a description, that is why you can look all through the Greco-Roman history and not find a Greek person named Ἰησοῦς.

There is no reason to run it through the Septuagint to explain it or the language mills, all that is, is a decoy from the truth. The word Jesus does not have anything to do with the Septuagint. The explanations up front are all lies, you have to dig deeper into the linguistics and the history. The history of the word Jesus does not go back that far. The word Jesus did not appear in The Tyndale Bible 1532....The Geneva Bible 1560.....nor the original King James Version 1611. All used the Vulgate name of Yeshua...Iesus--Iēsūs because these translations relied heavily on the Vulgate and the textus receptus, but ignored Christ's actual name.

Some of it is just a matter of turning the brain on....people do not think about what is being dumped in their lap. Miriam did not name her Son with a Greek or Latin name! Come on! Brain on! Why would people think that? Christ's name is Hebrew...יהושוע...
Pronounce Yeshua....spelt יהושוע and when it came out Miriam's lips it sounded like e-Yeshua...and Yeshua can be spelt in English. See the word? To be most accurate you have to add an e tang to the Y....eYeshua. The Strong's Exhaustive Concordance pronounces it ... ee-ay-sooce which an attempt to pronounce Ἰησοῦς not יהושוע. Look up how to pronounce יהושוע...it is not that hard or complicated.

You can spell Yeshua, you can read Yeshua, you can say Yeshua, Just as well as Christ's mother....Same thing for Yahweh. And Yeshua is the only name that can be called upon for salvation....will any name due? We are going to hope so.

Those that dealt with the scripture translations had a real desire to mess with the names....not just one person, not at any one time. At one time Yahweh's actual name was in the Old Testament nearly 6,000 times. Then it was replaced with the tetragrammaton....then it was completely removed and replaced with a description....God or Lord....just like Christ's name....not a name. Christian Bibles without the name of God the Father or God the Son in them. What does that do to the power of the scriptures? Who would want to remove the names of God the Father and God the Son from the scriptures....?

Some are trying to put God the Father's name and God the Son's name back into the scriptures but that can be difficult because in some scriptures Yahweh had regional names that started with el.

Is there power in the names of God the Father and God the Son? Are they important? I guess that is an opinion?
 
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The conundrum of names...LOL
Other than the first chapter of Matthew No one calls Christ Emmanuel in the NT. Emmanuel ... Immanuel....
It is a reference to Isaiah 7:14 and that is a long topic.
Miriam did not name her Son Jesus......No one knows where that name came from....His name is Yeshua.
But where did all the "J's" come from....The letter "J" came out 1400 years after Christ. Some one took the initiative to change all the names of persons, places, things...from Y's to J's. Yahweh...Yob....Yacob...Yoshua...Yames...yohn etc Since their actual names can be spelled and pronounce in English there is...was .... no excuse for it and no good explaination for it.

Christ mother's name was Miriam....Latin....Maria....English Mary. Again we can pronounce her name. Why did they mess around with her name? Maybe....probably they did not like the meaning of Miriam. Miriam in the Old Testament was Moses' and Aaron's sister and she chastised Moses for marrying a pagan woman and God punished her and her name means rebellion in Hebrew. In a clumsy attempt to cover that up they changed the name to Marie in the Vulgate....which meaning bitterness...as in the emotion...it is the same thing. And then to Mary which Maria and Mary both have a connection to the sea. Sea of bitterness. Some see a connection to beloved and you do not what to know where that is headed. Either way....Christ called His mother Miriam and she called Him Yeshua.
but i am talking about the biblical name not the tradition
 

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The thing is if you research it, you will find more than one explaination of why it happened. And there are some that blame the Septuagint but that is not why the error occurred. Again "Ἰησοῦς" is not a name. It is a description, that is why you can look all through the Greco-Roman history and not find a Greek person named Ἰησοῦς.

There is no reason to run it through the Septuagint to explain it or the language mills, all that is a decoy from the truth. The word Jesus does not have anything to do with the Septuagint. The explanations up front are all lies, you have to dig deeper into the linguistics and the history. The history of the word Jesus does not go back that far. The word Jesus did not appear in The Tyndale Bible 1532....The Geneva Bible 1560.....nor the original King James Version 1611. All used the Vulgate name of Yeshua...Iesus--Iēsūs because these translations relied heavily on the Vulgate and the textus receptus, but ignored Christ's actual name.

Some of it is just a matter of turning the brain on....people do not think about what is being dumped in their lap. Miriam did not name her Son with a Greek or Latin name! Come on! Brain on! Why would people think that? Christ's name is Hebrew...יהושוע...
Pronounce Yeshua....spelt יהושוע and when it came out Miriam's lips it sounded like e-Yeshua...and Yeshua can be spelt in English. See the word? To be most accurate you have to add an e tang to the Y....eYeshua. The Strong's Exhaustive Concordance pronounces it ... ee-ay-sooce which an attempt to pronounce Ἰησοῦς not יהושוע. Look up how to pronounce יהושוע...it is not that hard or complicated.

You can spell Yeshua, you can read Yeshua, you can say Yeshua, Just as well as Christ's mother....Same thing for Yahweh. And Yeshua is the only name that can be called upon for salvation....will any name due? We are going to hope so.

Those that dealt with the scripture translations had a real desire to mess with the names....not just one person, not at any one time. At one time Yahweh's actual name was in the Old Testament nearly 6,000 times. Then it was replaced with the tetragrammaton....then it was completely removed and replaced with a description....God or Lord....just like Christ's name....not a name. Christian Bibles without the name of God the Father or God the Son in them. What does that do to the power of the scriptures? Who would want to remove the names of God the Father and God the Son from the scriptures....?

Some are trying to put God the Father's name and God the Son's name back into the scriptures but that can be difficult because in some scriptures Yahweh had regional names that started with el.

Is there power in the names of God the Father and God the Son? Are they important? I guess that is an opinion?
thank you for an informative reply