Hello, everyone, My name is Johnathan I am 20 years old and I live in Michigan. I joined this forum to get the perspective of christians in general. I am not a religious person by any stretch of the imagination. I was raised a Catholic and attended Catholic school all through my education. ( I know some of you may think it is not a real religion, but I don't really think yours is either, so I guess were even.) The only thing I believe in is me. I believe that people deserved to be loved, Gay, Straight, Black, White, Muslim, Buddhist, Whatever..... I believe People are supposed to love each other. I DO beleive in Jesus. But, not the Jesus who will cast a good man to hell because he is Gay, or is not Christian. I believe in the Jesus who would sit with all the outcasts and tax collectors and prostitutes when no one else would and preached peace and love. I don't know. I don't mean to come on your forum and just sound like some self righteous know it all. Just, lately I have been fed up with all the Christian BS like about how hateful they are towards people who don't believe the same thing as them or that video games are Satan or that anything bad that happens is Satan's fault instead of their own, or people around them just the total and utter close mindedness. Or that sex before marriage is BAD or that masturbation IS BAD, meanwhile they can't explore their sexuality which can be devastating to some people. Everyone has sexual urges and to not act on them is very unhealthy for the soul or whatever, meanwhile children are brain washed into thinking its TRUE...It's not true.. Nothing in this world we live in has a truth. It is all just something we can never hope to understand.You know, theres something to me about that kind of brutality that is just scary on so many levels. So I am here to get a perspective on what a real Christian is all about. So I did not mean to come off rude, thank you and, nice to be here.
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By the way, while you are complaining about Christians not being very loving, I hope you are objective enough to read your own post and see why a Christian might think you are being a bit hypocritical as it seems you are being pretty hateful towards Christians... I mean, here you are, coming to a Christian site, saying how much you dislike and disagree with the Christian's worldview..... I realize that in the world today it seems as if it is perfectly fine to believe anything you want to, as long as it is not evangelical Christianity!!! lol... if you can't see the hypocrisy in that I just don't know what to tell you.... at any rate, you should not, therefore, be upset when Christians say they disagree with you, when we state our beliefs in very strong terms... after all, you have done exactly this yourself.... you think you are right, you believe certain things, and are seemingly very dogmatic about those beliefs, it should not be a problem for you when Christians have the same strong beliefs.... of course the consequences of our disagreements are quite different, we believe, or many of us anyway, that if you reject Jesus as the Messiah you will spend an eternity in torment in Hell.... and you think that we are wrong, and that there just isn't much more to it than that, you live, you die, so drink and be merry for tomorrow we die... but that is not the case, when you disagree with us, we believe that you are disagreeing with the very words of Christ Jesus, of God Himself, and that is just as big a deal to us as your psychological feelings regarding the doctrine of eternal punishment is to you... that is, we are just as entitled to our strong feelings, beliefs, and convictions as you are to yours.... so when you write a post filled with the kinds of judgments you are making about Christians and their beliefs, do not then turn around and accuse Christians of being hateful or judgmental when we are only both sharing our passionate beliefs and convictions.... just because we are Christians doesn't mean that we are not entitled to our beliefs... though the secular world seems to want to trey and have a double standard and be totally hypocritical about this... ... anyway... we think denying God's word, deny Christ as the only Savior, etc is being "hateful" to God.... you may disagree, but that does not change our feelings and beliefs anymore than our disagreement with you makes you change YOUR beliefs and feelings. But that is just a side note... On to your post......now wait a minute.... you mean you used to think non-Roman Catholics weren't "real religions" or you still think this....? I can see that perhaps a naive Roman Catholic might think this, despite the affirmations of Vatican II which embraced nearly all religions as being valid paths to God.... but if you are not a "religious person" now, why would you think non-Roman Catholics beliefs are not "real religion"? If you aren't particularly religious, I would think that you would say this of all religions, that no religions are "real"..... that is why I ask....Secondly, I, as a non Roman Catholic think that Roman Catholicism is indeed a real religion, not a true religion, but a real one... IOW I do not think it is a valid religion, though there is still some truth in Roman Catholicism, i.e. belief in the Trinity, the existence of God, the inspiration and infallibility of the Scriptures. I personally do not think true Christianity is a religion at all. I have heard it said that religion is man reaching out to God, but Christianity, especially as seen in the person of Christ, is God reaching down to man.Next, there is a fundamental difference exists between your view of man, and the view of the Scriptures and classical/historical orthodox Christianity. This may not matter to you, but it is important to understand why you differ from Christianity on this important topic of anthropology. You see the Bible -- and therefore we believe God and Jesus and the Holy Spirit teach that man is NOT fundamentally good as you suggest.... the bible teaches in a pretty direct manner that there is no one good, whether they be gay, straight, muslim, white, buddhist, whatever their cultural background may be, whatever their "religious" background may be, even if, and really, especially if it is that they think of themselves as a "Christian" simply because their family is Christian, be they Roman Catholic or Protestant... everyone outside of Christ is considered an enemy of God, even if they themselves do not think so.... people outside of Christ are God haters... again, even if they themselves do not think so.... because their mere rejection of Jesus as the Savior, the Messiah, is enough to have them thought of and considered by the Scriptures as being under the wrath of God. Here are some Scriptures to help you see where I am coming from in saying these things.... and let me just say this is not so much as me trying to get you to agree or disagree... I am just trying to get you to see where we are coming from... its a pretty grim picture, and I ask that you read the following description of man and try to see why it is that we cannot really speak of "the innocent native" who has never heard, the "good buddhist" or the "good" anyone...firstly Jesus makes it clear that no one is good but God:Mark 10:18 (ESV) 18 And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone. Jesus also says pretty directly that to deny Him is to reap certain consequences, namely condemnation, and that anyone who denies Him hates God, where here, "light" is a metaphor for God...John 3:18-20 (ESV) 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God. 19 And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil. 20 For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed." Next, Paul says that all of us, every human who has ever lived except for Jesus, is a "child of wrath", following after Satan (the prince of the power of the air) deserving of God's punishment and disfavor...Ephesians 2:1-3 (ESV) 1 And you were dead in the trespasses and sins 2 in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— 3 among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. andRomans 3:9-18 (ESV) 9 What then? Are we Jews any better off? No, not at all. For we have already charged that all, both Jews and Greeks, are under sin, 10 as it is written: “None is righteous, no, not one; 11 no one understands; no one seeks for God. 12 All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one.” 13 “Their throat is an open grave; they use their tongues to deceive.” “The venom of asps is under their lips.” 14 “Their mouth is full of curses and bitterness.” 15 “Their feet are swift to shed blood; 16 in their paths are ruin and misery, 17 and the way of peace they have not known.” 18 “There is no fear of God before their eyes.” People are simply considered as fallen sinful creatures outside of Christ, so much so that Jesus says that no one even has the ability to go to God for salvation unless the ability is first granted to him, that is, no one can pick themselves up by their own bootstraps and just decide one day that they want to believe in God.... God has to first change their heart, then they can believe....John 6:44 (ESV) No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day. andJohn 6:64-65 (ESV) 64 But there are some of you who do not believe.” (For Jesus knew from the beginning who those were who did not believe, and who it was who would betray him.) 65 And he said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.” Of course, this is a "hard saying", people want to think that they have the ability and choice to do whatever they want, if they want to decide to become a Christian one day and decide not to the next, they can if they feel like it.... and the fact of the matter is this truth (people's radical inability due to their sinful hearts) was no more popular in Jesus' own day as it is today, and the very next verse, following verse John 6:65, it says....John 6:66 (ESV) After this many of his disciples turned back and no longer walked with him."At any rate, this is how the bible describes man... like it.... don't like it... that doesn't really matter.... for those who accept the word of God as being, well, the word of God, we think God has spoken on the matter and that’s it. So that is where we are coming from when we speak of the doctrine of Hell.So from a biblical worldview, what people deserve is justice, that is all. And everyone gets justice. However, some get mercy and grace, and by their very definition, neither grace and mercy are ever "deserved". In fact, they are given and are called as such precisely because they are NOT deserved. I do agree that people are supposed to love each other. The problem we will have is that I suspect that you and I define "love" in very different ways. So the thing is not to simply say to love one another, though that is a profoundly biblical thing to say, but it is to see who's definition of love is the correct one, or who's definition most closely lines up with the definition of the One who created love in the first place. Today's secular world has a very sloppy ambiguous vacuous definition of the word. They seem to think that having sex with a perfect stranger is "making love". People glibly say "I love you" to one another all the time, but do they mean it...? Do they understand what real love is? I do not think so. I do not think anyone but a Christian really can love at all. Read 1 Corinthians chapter 13 for starters, and then just consider what Jesus did for sinners, and there, you will see love.At any rate, you seem to have your own moral code. I am not sure what authority this is based on, but Christians have their own moral code as well. And just because "you" say that you don't think things like sex before marriage hardly changes the fact that according to God's word they are "bad", eg sinful. So we are faced with a choice, we can accept your moral code, or we can accept God's. For me anyway, the choice is clear. You say not to act on "natural urges” is bad for the soul. I am curious, what makes you think people have souls? Upon what exactly is this belief based on?Next, you accuse Christians of brainwashing their children. Really? How so? From our point of view, insofar as you tell a child YOUR own beliefs, even if it is "you must decide for yourself, there is no god, you just need to believe in “you", that sex outside of marriage is "just fine"”, whatever... that it is YOU who is "brainwashing" your child with false beliefs. And to us, THAT is scary on so many levels. Even more so than for you, for we believe that such beliefs have eternal consequences, that you would, in effect, be teaching children to sin insofar as wherever you teach them something contrary to God's word. And Jesus Himself said Matthew 18:6 (ESV) but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea." you say
Nothing in this world we live in has a truth
Really? Then this statement of yours isn't true either. And therefore I can go on believing that there is truth, that primarily truth is Jesus Christ, and in His written word. And since you don't think this world has any truth, then you will have to go ahead and think that your very own statement is itself not true, and that if your statement is not true, then there is nothing that is true, but then if you are making THAT statement, then you are saying that there is at least one thing that is true, namely that there is no truth, and you can be like a dog chasing it's tail as long as you like. The fact is, your statement is self referentially false, absurd, and irrational. Again, I see no reason whatsoever to accept your dogmatic religion (you "believe in" you, so THAT is your religion) over the revealed revelation we have establishing Christianity.Next you say
It is all just something we can never hope to understand.
Really? And what makes you think you can decide for others what they can or cannot understand? You talk about Christians being dogmatic and shoving their beliefs down other people's throats!! Here you are deciding what others can or cannot understand!!
I hope my forthrightness has not come across as rude either.blessings,ken
Nothing in this world we live in has a truth
Really? Then this statement of yours isn't true either. And therefore I can go on believing that there is truth, that primarily truth is Jesus Christ, and in His written word. And since you don't think this world has any truth, then you will have to go ahead and think that your very own statement is itself not true, and that if your statement is not true, then there is nothing that is true, but then if you are making THAT statement, then you are saying that there is at least one thing that is true, namely that there is no truth, and you can be like a dog chasing it's tail as long as you like. The fact is, your statement is self referentially false, absurd, and irrational. Again, I see no reason whatsoever to accept your dogmatic religion (you "believe in" you, so THAT is your religion) over the revealed revelation we have establishing Christianity.Next you say
It is all just something we can never hope to understand.
Really? And what makes you think you can decide for others what they can or cannot understand? You talk about Christians being dogmatic and shoving their beliefs down other people's throats!! Here you are deciding what others can or cannot understand!!
WorldofLove777, I am new here too and I used to share many of the beliefs you did. In fact, I shared many of these beliefs up until a couple of months ago.Then, something VERY significant happened to me. To cut a long story short (you can read more in my introduction and testimony HERE if you like), I reached a point where I genuinely wanted to know if God was real and I asked Him seriously to help me understand His written word in the Bible. That lead me to a KNOWING of God through faith and receiving His Holy Spirit.Perhaps you may come to a similar realisation through seeking to know the truth. Only you can do that but you are certainly looking in the right places..... The best place though, is to read the Bible with an open mind and an open heart.
(WorldofLove777;66207)
Hello, everyone, My name is Johnathan I am 20 years old and I live in Michigan. I joined this forum to get the perspective of christians in general. I am not a religious person by any stretch of the imagination. I was raised a Catholic and attended Catholic school all through my education. ( I know some of you may think it is not a real religion, but I don't really think yours is either, so I guess were even.) The only thing I believe in is me. I believe that people deserved to be loved, Gay, Straight, Black, White, Muslim, Buddhist, Whatever..... I believe People are supposed to love each other. I DO beleive in Jesus. But, not the Jesus who will cast a good man to hell because he is Gay, or is not Christian. I believe in the Jesus who would sit with all the outcasts and tax collectors and prostitutes when no one else would and preached peace and love. I don't know. I don't mean to come on your forum and just sound like some self righteous know it all. Just, lately I have been fed up with all the Christian BS like about how hateful they are towards people who don't believe the same thing as them or that video games are Satan or that anything bad that happens is Satan's fault instead of their own, or people around them just the total and utter close mindedness. Or that sex before marriage is BAD or that masturbation IS BAD, meanwhile they can't explore their sexuality which can be devastating to some people. Everyone has sexual urges and to not act on them is very unhealthy for the soul or whatever, meanwhile children are brain washed into thinking its TRUE...It's not true.. Nothing in this world we live in has a truth. It is all just something we can never hope to understand.You know, theres something to me about that kind of brutality that is just scary on so many levels. So I am here to get a perspective on what a real Christian is all about. So I did not mean to come off rude, thank you and, nice to be here.
This is a This is a bible study site. Scripture only site. This is not an opinion site, not a men's words site, not a religion site. So our opinions is pretty much worthless on this site. What matter is what God's Words say.We are given a free will to decide to love Him or hate Him. To follow Him or not. And this verse indicates that we have free will.John 14:15 - If ye love me, keep my commandments.God has told us everything (Mark 13:23), but the matter of fact is, are you interested in hearing the reality?
Hello, everyone, My name is Johnathan I am 20 years old and I live in Michigan. I joined this forum to get the perspective of christians in general. I am not a religious person by any stretch of the imagination. I was raised a Catholic and attended Catholic school all through my education. ( I know some of you may think it is not a real religion, but I don't really think yours is either, so I guess were even.) The only thing I believe in is me. I believe that people deserved to be loved, Gay, Straight, Black, White, Muslim, Buddhist, Whatever..... I believe People are supposed to love each other. I DO beleive in Jesus. But, not the Jesus who will cast a good man to hell because he is Gay, or is not Christian. I believe in the Jesus who would sit with all the outcasts and tax collectors and prostitutes when no one else would and preached peace and love. I don't know. I don't mean to come on your forum and just sound like some self righteous know it all. Just, lately I have been fed up with all the Christian BS like about how hateful they are towards people who don't believe the same thing as them or that video games are Satan or that anything bad that happens is Satan's fault instead of their own, or people around them just the total and utter close mindedness. Or that sex before marriage is BAD or that masturbation IS BAD, meanwhile they can't explore their sexuality which can be devastating to some people. Everyone has sexual urges and to not act on them is very unhealthy for the soul or whatever, meanwhile children are brain washed into thinking its TRUE...It's not true.. Nothing in this world we live in has a truth. It is all just something we can never hope to understand.You know, theres something to me about that kind of brutality that is just scary on so many levels. So I am here to get a perspective on what a real Christian is all about. So I did not mean to come off rude, thank you and, nice to be here.
This is a This is a bible study site. Scripture only site. This is not an opinion site, not a men's words site, not a religion site. So our opinions is pretty much worthless on this site. What matter is what God's Words say.We are given a free will to decide to love Him or hate Him. To follow Him or not. And this verse indicates that we have free will.John 14:15 - If ye love me, keep my commandments.God has told us everything (Mark 13:23), but the matter of fact is, are you interested in hearing the reality?
this brings up an important point worldoflove..... God's word is absolutely authoritative for the Christian, but our interpretations of the Word of God is merely our opinion. We use the rulers of interpretation, we study cultural background to the passages we study, we make use of grammar, in other words, we use the science and art of hermeneutics to try and understand the bible. But unless someone follows a pope or a cult leader who mistakenly thinks that their opinion of what the word of God says is in fact equal tot he word of God, all our quotations of scripture, even those, for instance, we think mean that we have some kind of libertarian free will, are, themselves, merely opinions of men. So whenever someone quotes a verse to you, seek out its interpretation using sound rules of interpretation, there is meaning there, and Scripture is not like a wax nose which can be shaped and twisted to fit just any meaning. Something else to remember is not to assume that just because we are commanded to do something in Scripture, it does not mean that we can therefore obey the command in and of ourselves. For instance, God's word says that we are to be perfect as He is perfect, Matthew 5:48 (ESV) You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect."..... yet I do not see many Christians walking around claiming to be perfect.... just as perfect as God. You can read more on this subject, ie a command to do something automatically indicates the ability to carry out the command by checking out the Pelagian captivity of the church at http://www.bible-researcher.com/sproul1.htmlSo the Scripture may say something like John 14:15 (KJV) If ye love me, keep my commandments." But you must not think 1) that this means that we can obey the commandments of God on our own 2) that the keeping of the commands leads to salvation 3) that we can keep the commands without God's mercy and grace allowing us to be obedient. It does mean that Christians and Christians only can obey the commandments, and so we ought to obey them to show God that we love Him. But good works are the fruit of salvation, not the root. Next, the fact that we can obey this verse, granting the point for the moment that we can obey this verse, does not imply we have libertarian free will. Nor does this verse deny or contradict the places in Scripture where Jesus said that "no one can", i.e. no one has the ability.... to come to Him unless it is granted by the Father. We can learn from this fact that since we observe in the world around us that not everyone comes to God for salvation, apparently not everyone is given this ability from God. If so, if everyone was given the ability to come, it seems pretty pointless that Jesus would have taken the time and trouble to point that no one can go to Jesus unless it is first granted to them by God the Father.John 6:44 (ESV) No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.andJohn 6:64-65 (ESV) 64 But there are some of you who do not believe.” (For Jesus knew from the beginning who those were who did not believe, and who it was who would betray him.) 65 And he said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.”At any rate, I am fairly new here, do not represent the moderation team or any other person at this site. In fact, it seems I am at odds with some of the members here on various issues. But I can tell you this, that while this is indeed a bible study site, everyone here is merely giving their opinion of what Scripture means. For instance, one person writes
And this verse indicates
... stop right there.... "this verse indicates..."??? Well what is this but a perfect example of someone admitting that their opinion of what a certain verse means is about to be given....? If someone writes that a verse "indicates" something, then they are simply giving their own subjective opinion, "man's opinion", "man's interpretation" of what a certain verse means. Of course I think this is perfectly fine. Well, not only is it fine, it is impossible to avoid giving our opinions as to what the Scripture means. We all think that this or that verse or passage in the Bible "indicates" something or other.... but the FAILURE of some people to see the very simple basic point that we are all "men", men and women who are giving their opinions and interpretations of what the Scripture means...... this blindness is, well, both amusing and frustrating. I just want to be clear on these considerations of methodology.No one is perfect, no one is equal to God in their knowledge of what the Scriptures mean. So do not let the fact that some forget that when they give a verse or passage of Scripture, and they tell you what it means, that this is simply and only their opinion of what the Scripture means. I do not know why this particular point is difficult for some people to grasp really. It is , well.... as I already mentioned, both frustrating and amusing at the same time that this point seems impossible for some to "get". But no matter what, some just continue to think that they do not have opinions, they just "speak God's word". But no one speaks God word except for God. No one just "gives the scripture" without there also being present, in the very act of their posting this or that particular verse or passage of Scripture, their own subjective opinion of what that verse or passage means!!! In other words, they give you "man's words".Also I find it somewhat amusing that someone might say something like
This is a bible study site. Scripture only site.[/quote
But yet, how ironic is it that this very statement is not found in the Scripture anywhere!!! LOL!!! Further, this is just one man's "opinion", one man's words, right? Yet, since this is not itself a Scriptural statement, I thought "man's opinions" and "man's words" were not welcome here? So what is this person doing posting "man's words" and "man's interpretations"!!??!!?? LOL... Why do some people think they can force others to post Scripture only, and yet they don't, is rather strange I think. Why do others write that we are not allowed to give our understanding of what the Scripture means because that is just "man's opinion" or "man's interpretation", and yet they are, in the process, of writing out a statement like that above, (saying things like "this verse indicates") just giving their interpretation and opinion.... ??? Why can they give their opinions of what Scripture means, but apparently no one is is allowed to do this?That they think that they themselves apparently do not have to obey the commands that they give to everyone else is just mind boggling really. How can anyone be so blind as to not see this? How can someone write
So our opinions is pretty much worthless on this site.
and NOT see that this very statement is nothing more than this particular person's opinion about other people's opinions!!!??!! ROFLOL!!! And secondly, if it is true that our opinions are "pretty much worthless", then it must also be the case that this particular opinion, the one that says
So our opinions is pretty much worthless on this site.
must, itself, be nothing more than a worthless opinion!!! LOL.....blessingsken
And this verse indicates
... stop right there.... "this verse indicates..."??? Well what is this but a perfect example of someone admitting that their opinion of what a certain verse means is about to be given....? If someone writes that a verse "indicates" something, then they are simply giving their own subjective opinion, "man's opinion", "man's interpretation" of what a certain verse means. Of course I think this is perfectly fine. Well, not only is it fine, it is impossible to avoid giving our opinions as to what the Scripture means. We all think that this or that verse or passage in the Bible "indicates" something or other.... but the FAILURE of some people to see the very simple basic point that we are all "men", men and women who are giving their opinions and interpretations of what the Scripture means...... this blindness is, well, both amusing and frustrating. I just want to be clear on these considerations of methodology.No one is perfect, no one is equal to God in their knowledge of what the Scriptures mean. So do not let the fact that some forget that when they give a verse or passage of Scripture, and they tell you what it means, that this is simply and only their opinion of what the Scripture means. I do not know why this particular point is difficult for some people to grasp really. It is , well.... as I already mentioned, both frustrating and amusing at the same time that this point seems impossible for some to "get". But no matter what, some just continue to think that they do not have opinions, they just "speak God's word". But no one speaks God word except for God. No one just "gives the scripture" without there also being present, in the very act of their posting this or that particular verse or passage of Scripture, their own subjective opinion of what that verse or passage means!!! In other words, they give you "man's words".Also I find it somewhat amusing that someone might say something like
This is a bible study site. Scripture only site.[/quote
But yet, how ironic is it that this very statement is not found in the Scripture anywhere!!! LOL!!! Further, this is just one man's "opinion", one man's words, right? Yet, since this is not itself a Scriptural statement, I thought "man's opinions" and "man's words" were not welcome here? So what is this person doing posting "man's words" and "man's interpretations"!!??!!?? LOL... Why do some people think they can force others to post Scripture only, and yet they don't, is rather strange I think. Why do others write that we are not allowed to give our understanding of what the Scripture means because that is just "man's opinion" or "man's interpretation", and yet they are, in the process, of writing out a statement like that above, (saying things like "this verse indicates") just giving their interpretation and opinion.... ??? Why can they give their opinions of what Scripture means, but apparently no one is is allowed to do this?That they think that they themselves apparently do not have to obey the commands that they give to everyone else is just mind boggling really. How can anyone be so blind as to not see this? How can someone write
So our opinions is pretty much worthless on this site.
and NOT see that this very statement is nothing more than this particular person's opinion about other people's opinions!!!??!! ROFLOL!!! And secondly, if it is true that our opinions are "pretty much worthless", then it must also be the case that this particular opinion, the one that says
So our opinions is pretty much worthless on this site.
must, itself, be nothing more than a worthless opinion!!! LOL.....blessingsken
(WorldofLove777;66207)
Hello, everyone, My name is Johnathan I am 20 years old and I live in Michigan. I joined this forum to get the perspective of christians in general. I am not a religious person by any stretch of the imagination. I was raised a Catholic and attended Catholic school all through my education. ( I know some of you may think it is not a real religion, but I don't really think yours is either, so I guess were even.) The only thing I believe in is me. I believe that people deserved to be loved, Gay, Straight, Black, White, Muslim, Buddhist, Whatever..... I believe People are supposed to love each other. I DO beleive in Jesus. But, not the Jesus who will cast a good man to hell because he is Gay, or is not Christian. I believe in the Jesus who would sit with all the outcasts and tax collectors and prostitutes when no one else would and preached peace and love. I don't know. I don't mean to come on your forum and just sound like some self righteous know it all. Just, lately I have been fed up with all the Christian BS like about how hateful they are towards people who don't believe the same thing as them or that video games are Satan or that anything bad that happens is Satan's fault instead of their own, or people around them just the total and utter close mindedness. Or that sex before marriage is BAD or that masturbation IS BAD, meanwhile they can't explore their sexuality which can be devastating to some people. Everyone has sexual urges and to not act on them is very unhealthy for the soul or whatever, meanwhile children are brain washed into thinking its TRUE...It's not true.. Nothing in this world we live in has a truth. It is all just something we can never hope to understand.You know, theres something to me about that kind of brutality that is just scary on so many levels. So I am here to get a perspective on what a real Christian is all about. So I did not mean to come off rude, thank you and, nice to be here.
Jordan is absolutely right about this site and this attitude is exactly what Satan wants water down Gods word make it politically correct all is fine and we should love all regardless ...this is not what God said .. We are to love them by telling them when they are breaking Gods Words, the same way if a child runs out in the street we do not reward him for putting his life in danger ...We are not to reward sinners by saying its OK ... We are to love them enough to tell them their souls are in danger ... there is one way Jesus Christ ... If you don't see that an insist on your politically correct one world-ism religion belief you will not find this site your cup of tea ...If there's one thing Swampfox wont tolerate its Satan's one world religious doctrine
Hello, everyone, My name is Johnathan I am 20 years old and I live in Michigan. I joined this forum to get the perspective of christians in general. I am not a religious person by any stretch of the imagination. I was raised a Catholic and attended Catholic school all through my education. ( I know some of you may think it is not a real religion, but I don't really think yours is either, so I guess were even.) The only thing I believe in is me. I believe that people deserved to be loved, Gay, Straight, Black, White, Muslim, Buddhist, Whatever..... I believe People are supposed to love each other. I DO beleive in Jesus. But, not the Jesus who will cast a good man to hell because he is Gay, or is not Christian. I believe in the Jesus who would sit with all the outcasts and tax collectors and prostitutes when no one else would and preached peace and love. I don't know. I don't mean to come on your forum and just sound like some self righteous know it all. Just, lately I have been fed up with all the Christian BS like about how hateful they are towards people who don't believe the same thing as them or that video games are Satan or that anything bad that happens is Satan's fault instead of their own, or people around them just the total and utter close mindedness. Or that sex before marriage is BAD or that masturbation IS BAD, meanwhile they can't explore their sexuality which can be devastating to some people. Everyone has sexual urges and to not act on them is very unhealthy for the soul or whatever, meanwhile children are brain washed into thinking its TRUE...It's not true.. Nothing in this world we live in has a truth. It is all just something we can never hope to understand.You know, theres something to me about that kind of brutality that is just scary on so many levels. So I am here to get a perspective on what a real Christian is all about. So I did not mean to come off rude, thank you and, nice to be here.
Jordan is absolutely right about this site and this attitude is exactly what Satan wants water down Gods word make it politically correct all is fine and we should love all regardless ...this is not what God said .. We are to love them by telling them when they are breaking Gods Words, the same way if a child runs out in the street we do not reward him for putting his life in danger ...We are not to reward sinners by saying its OK ... We are to love them enough to tell them their souls are in danger ... there is one way Jesus Christ ... If you don't see that an insist on your politically correct one world-ism religion belief you will not find this site your cup of tea ...If there's one thing Swampfox wont tolerate its Satan's one world religious doctrine
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Hello, everyone, My name is Johnathan I am 20 years old and I live in Michigan. I joined this forum to get the perspective of christians in general. I am not a religious person by any stretch of the imagination. I was raised a Catholic and attended Catholic school all through my education. ( I know some of you may think it is not a real religion, but I don't really think yours is either, so I guess were even.)
Vickie says:Hi Johnathan, There are many parts of the body. And many parts of the body have different view and understanding in Christ. But we all serve ONE and the Same Christ. We have Sunday keepers, Sabbath keepers, Jehovah W., Catholics, etc. Any one who professes Jesus Christ is the Son Of God is Christian. Will they all be saved on the name alone? Will they only be saved it they keep the commands? In General, the Christian understanding is so diverse, we "All" need to be respectful of one another, but be convicted and able to show in scriptures why we believe what we individually believe.QUOTE
Johnathan says:The only thing I believe in is me. I believe that people deserved to be loved, Gay, Straight, Black, White, Muslim, Buddhist, Whatever..... I believe People are supposed to love each other. I DO beleive in Jesus. But, not the Jesus who will cast a good man to hell because he is Gay, or is not Christian.
Not everyone in the world is called of God for the 1000 yr. reign that is coming upon this earth quickly. For our Lord is returning and many are going to fall away under persecutions. Satan has distorted the word of God through these many churches set up out here professing to know Jesus Christ. Notice that God says we are not to associate with anyone who calls himself a brother and does these acts. Not meaning the Word at all. I Cor 5:11 But I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother, and is sexually immoral or greedy.God has set these rules before us , because HIS HOLY SPIRIT dwells in our body, we are the temple of the living God. (I Cor 6:19)I Cor 6:13 last part: The body is NOT MEANT for sexual immorality. `Paul in I Cor 5:9 I have written you in my letter not to to associate with sexually immoral people-----NOT AT ALL MEANING THE IMMORAL PEOPLE OF THIS WORLD. (see, we are to love them all and not force Christianity down on them, God calls them out not us.)These scriptures are speaking the truth about the matter you brought forth from your heart. We are to love the immoral UNBELIEVERS of this world. as I Cor 5:9 says. For verse 11 tells us clearly it is the Christian believing brethren that are homosexual, adulterous, that fornicate, etc, these professing Christians we are to have nothing to do with because they dishonor God with their bodies by these acts. Those Christians who attack the worlds homosexuals and prostitutes are wrong, for they have NOT THE HOLY SPIRIT in their BODY. And we are to LOVE ALL OF THEM> amen. But if this be a professing BROTHER IN CHRIST, we are to have nothing to do with them. The churches do not teach these scripture waring us that we can not do these acts nor tolerate any one IN THE CHURCH who does them. The many religious organization teach this wrongly saying it the world's sexually immoral, not so, hush? because it defiles the human temple the Holy Spirit dwells in. It is very serious the warning given to us believing Christians. No matter what church, only the fact that you profess Jesus Christ as the Son of God over you. QUOTE
Johnathan says: I believe in the Jesus who would sit with all the outcasts and tax collectors and prostitutes when no one else would and preached peace and love. I don't know. I don't mean to come on your forum and just sound like some self righteous know it all.
I am glad that you came here, personally. I agree with you on how the many professing bible study groups slander and destroy and tear down the world and all God has made. It disturbs me to hear their lack of understanding the words of God written in the bible. Instead of focusing on themselves and their sins, they look to gossip about the sins of the world in their puffed-upness. Don't be deceived that all Jesus did was preach love. Jesus came preaching hell fire for those that have been called and have ignored the ways of God. The people of the world, the Samaritans were more willing to listen and believe HIS MESSAGE, then the HOUSE of Israel that made sure they killed the Son of God. The house of Israel has only a remnant coming into this 1000 yr reign of Christ upon this earth. QUOTE
Just, lately I have been fed up with all the Christian BS like about how hateful they are towards people who don't believe the same thing as them or that video games are Satan or that anything bad that happens is Satan's fault instead of their own, or people around them just the total and utter close mindedness.
these are one thing they may be off in and I agree with you here in this sentence above. QUOTE
johnathan says: Or that sex before marriage is BAD or that masturbation IS BAD, meanwhile they can't explore their sexuality which can be devastating to some people. Everyone has sexual urges and to not act on them is very unhealthy for the soul or whatever, meanwhile children are brain washed into thinking its TRUE...It's not true.. Nothing in this world we live in has a truth.
Remember those verses in I Corinthians? You can think with this educational non-sense that has been taught to us in our public schools and colleges especially in the curriculum that makes us think it's destructive if we don't find our sexuality, It IS A TOTAL LIE. If you have Christ, remember the HOLY SPIRIT IS IN YOU and this is a direct violation to GOD. The PURE and PRECIOUS HOLY SPIRIT IS what we are to guard that is given to us from God that is in our body. As Paul said, if you burn then for the safe keeping of the Holy Spirit in you, go and get married that you not destroy the body the HOLY SPIRIT IN DWELLING IN> amen. We all answer to God for this. QUOTE
Johnathan It is all just something we can never hope to understand.You know, theres something to me about that kind of brutality that is just scary on so many levels. So I am here to get a perspective on what a real Christian is all about. So I did not mean to come off rude, thank you and, nice to be here.
It is my hope that this conversation with you will be meaningful, about the Holy Spirit that God gave us to dwell inside of us. If we can not take this walk in keeping the gift of the Holy spirit which is sacred and living in us who have been called by God and received it. All who are asked to come to Christ need to be told about this dwelling of the HOLY SPIRIT in our body, that can destroy those that do any of these sexual acts whether they be Gay, or Straight or BI-Sexual---or just fornicators, God will punish ALL MEN for this act. This Spirit is from HIM and it is pure and left as a deposit with us. Please feel free to ask me anything, if I can I will give you direct verses that speak on the matters you bring. IN Christ's precious words Vickie
Hello, everyone, My name is Johnathan I am 20 years old and I live in Michigan. I joined this forum to get the perspective of christians in general. I am not a religious person by any stretch of the imagination. I was raised a Catholic and attended Catholic school all through my education. ( I know some of you may think it is not a real religion, but I don't really think yours is either, so I guess were even.)
Vickie says:Hi Johnathan, There are many parts of the body. And many parts of the body have different view and understanding in Christ. But we all serve ONE and the Same Christ. We have Sunday keepers, Sabbath keepers, Jehovah W., Catholics, etc. Any one who professes Jesus Christ is the Son Of God is Christian. Will they all be saved on the name alone? Will they only be saved it they keep the commands? In General, the Christian understanding is so diverse, we "All" need to be respectful of one another, but be convicted and able to show in scriptures why we believe what we individually believe.QUOTE
Johnathan says:The only thing I believe in is me. I believe that people deserved to be loved, Gay, Straight, Black, White, Muslim, Buddhist, Whatever..... I believe People are supposed to love each other. I DO beleive in Jesus. But, not the Jesus who will cast a good man to hell because he is Gay, or is not Christian.
Not everyone in the world is called of God for the 1000 yr. reign that is coming upon this earth quickly. For our Lord is returning and many are going to fall away under persecutions. Satan has distorted the word of God through these many churches set up out here professing to know Jesus Christ. Notice that God says we are not to associate with anyone who calls himself a brother and does these acts. Not meaning the Word at all. I Cor 5:11 But I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother, and is sexually immoral or greedy.God has set these rules before us , because HIS HOLY SPIRIT dwells in our body, we are the temple of the living God. (I Cor 6:19)I Cor 6:13 last part: The body is NOT MEANT for sexual immorality. `Paul in I Cor 5:9 I have written you in my letter not to to associate with sexually immoral people-----NOT AT ALL MEANING THE IMMORAL PEOPLE OF THIS WORLD. (see, we are to love them all and not force Christianity down on them, God calls them out not us.)These scriptures are speaking the truth about the matter you brought forth from your heart. We are to love the immoral UNBELIEVERS of this world. as I Cor 5:9 says. For verse 11 tells us clearly it is the Christian believing brethren that are homosexual, adulterous, that fornicate, etc, these professing Christians we are to have nothing to do with because they dishonor God with their bodies by these acts. Those Christians who attack the worlds homosexuals and prostitutes are wrong, for they have NOT THE HOLY SPIRIT in their BODY. And we are to LOVE ALL OF THEM> amen. But if this be a professing BROTHER IN CHRIST, we are to have nothing to do with them. The churches do not teach these scripture waring us that we can not do these acts nor tolerate any one IN THE CHURCH who does them. The many religious organization teach this wrongly saying it the world's sexually immoral, not so, hush? because it defiles the human temple the Holy Spirit dwells in. It is very serious the warning given to us believing Christians. No matter what church, only the fact that you profess Jesus Christ as the Son of God over you. QUOTE
Johnathan says: I believe in the Jesus who would sit with all the outcasts and tax collectors and prostitutes when no one else would and preached peace and love. I don't know. I don't mean to come on your forum and just sound like some self righteous know it all.
I am glad that you came here, personally. I agree with you on how the many professing bible study groups slander and destroy and tear down the world and all God has made. It disturbs me to hear their lack of understanding the words of God written in the bible. Instead of focusing on themselves and their sins, they look to gossip about the sins of the world in their puffed-upness. Don't be deceived that all Jesus did was preach love. Jesus came preaching hell fire for those that have been called and have ignored the ways of God. The people of the world, the Samaritans were more willing to listen and believe HIS MESSAGE, then the HOUSE of Israel that made sure they killed the Son of God. The house of Israel has only a remnant coming into this 1000 yr reign of Christ upon this earth. QUOTE
Just, lately I have been fed up with all the Christian BS like about how hateful they are towards people who don't believe the same thing as them or that video games are Satan or that anything bad that happens is Satan's fault instead of their own, or people around them just the total and utter close mindedness.
these are one thing they may be off in and I agree with you here in this sentence above. QUOTE
johnathan says: Or that sex before marriage is BAD or that masturbation IS BAD, meanwhile they can't explore their sexuality which can be devastating to some people. Everyone has sexual urges and to not act on them is very unhealthy for the soul or whatever, meanwhile children are brain washed into thinking its TRUE...It's not true.. Nothing in this world we live in has a truth.
Remember those verses in I Corinthians? You can think with this educational non-sense that has been taught to us in our public schools and colleges especially in the curriculum that makes us think it's destructive if we don't find our sexuality, It IS A TOTAL LIE. If you have Christ, remember the HOLY SPIRIT IS IN YOU and this is a direct violation to GOD. The PURE and PRECIOUS HOLY SPIRIT IS what we are to guard that is given to us from God that is in our body. As Paul said, if you burn then for the safe keeping of the Holy Spirit in you, go and get married that you not destroy the body the HOLY SPIRIT IN DWELLING IN> amen. We all answer to God for this. QUOTE
Johnathan It is all just something we can never hope to understand.You know, theres something to me about that kind of brutality that is just scary on so many levels. So I am here to get a perspective on what a real Christian is all about. So I did not mean to come off rude, thank you and, nice to be here.
It is my hope that this conversation with you will be meaningful, about the Holy Spirit that God gave us to dwell inside of us. If we can not take this walk in keeping the gift of the Holy spirit which is sacred and living in us who have been called by God and received it. All who are asked to come to Christ need to be told about this dwelling of the HOLY SPIRIT in our body, that can destroy those that do any of these sexual acts whether they be Gay, or Straight or BI-Sexual---or just fornicators, God will punish ALL MEN for this act. This Spirit is from HIM and it is pure and left as a deposit with us. Please feel free to ask me anything, if I can I will give you direct verses that speak on the matters you bring. IN Christ's precious words Vickie
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Welcome!A real Christian is someone who love god, believes in Jesus and that he died for our sins.And a real christian obeys the ten commandments,(even though we have all broken them) and asks to be forgiven.HINT HINT: IF YOU WANT TO BE A CHRISTIAN READ THE BIBLE!
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