Hillsong (Hellsong) Megachurch Exposed (TLC Series)
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As I Lay Dying singer pleads guilty to trying to hire hitman to kill wife
Tim Lambesis, frontman of the Grammy-nominated metalcore band As I Lay Dying faces up to nine years in jail
He was ultimately sentenced to six years and has reunited with his band.
Tim Lambesis Reunites With As I Lay Dying One Year After Prison Release
Metal singer was convicted for role in murder-for-hire plot
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God calls us to himself. Only God knows who are his own. He also knows who are not.
We'll all find out at the judgement what God knew all along.
AlwaysOnAJourney
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As I Lay Dying singer pleads guilty to trying to hire hitman to kill wife
Tim Lambesis, frontman of the Grammy-nominated metalcore band As I Lay Dying faces up to nine years in jailwww.theguardian.com
He was ultimately sentenced to six years and has reunited with his band.
Tim Lambesis Reunites With As I Lay Dying One Year After Prison Release
Metal singer was convicted for role in murder-for-hire plot
God calls us to himself. Only God knows who are his own. He also knows who are not.
We'll all find out at the judgement what God knew all along.
I hate it when people over simplify things. A band is made of individual people and people's lives move forward. Probably 3 or 4 years ago I listened to a table discussion by As I Lay Dying, the members were expressing their feelings to Tim about how his choices effected them. It didn't sound to me like they let him off easy. While He was in prison some of those members tried playing in other bands, but were running into issues. They all were struggling with forgiveness and trust issues with Tim. They are in a since giving him another chance to prove himself. He's also written public apologies, explaining himself, and He's done interviews explaining himself. Pastor Bob Beemen urged people not to throw away their past albums. Which I haven't but I haven't listened to them in ages. It's hard for me to get into the music and message with the knowledge of all the bad stuff that went on, and maybe could go on again. This is just one example of why I don't go out of my way to find out what is going on with Christian Musicians. Once you start down that slippery slope, more and more stuff keeps coming out. You haft to be careful not to allow yourself to investigate too much. Once in a blue moon something will cause me to go down that slippery slope. As I Lay Dying is one such example.
What I am saying here is also true of groups like Hillsong. We got to remember that they are made up of sinful individuals. They are all on a personal journey through life just like you and me.
I'm trying to learn how to listen to music for the sake of the music and content and not for the members to who create it. But it's been hard.
Ronald Nolette
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We choose either consciously or subconsciously what we allow to enter our minds through the ear gates. Music does have an impact. the music can affect our emotions, Buit it is the words that will affect our thinking. And those we choose to allow to enter.
Music cannot lure us into sin or evil thoughts unless we associate that certain music with sin.
St. SteVen
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St. SteVen
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If a church doesn't operate like a business, they will soon be OUT of business.
Would THAT please God?
Luke 14:28-30 NIV
“Suppose one of you wants to build a tower.
Won’t you first sit down and estimate the cost to see if you have enough money to complete it?
29 For if you lay the foundation and are not able to finish it, everyone who sees it will ridicule you,
30 saying, ‘This person began to build and wasn’t able to finish.’
St. SteVen
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You nailed it.
"Christian music is made by messed up people for messed up people."
So then we launch a topic to criticize. Better be sure we have the timber out of our own eye first.
St. SteVen
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That's a problem.
If we don't forgive others, God can't forgive us.
Matthew 6:15 NIV
But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.
It has never been that a church was supposed to operate like a business. In fact if you've studied the gospel you would learn that they are to meet in peoples houses and tend to the needy such that there are no needy among them. Do you see that in any of the churches you support? I'm sure God wouldn't be against a building paid for by the members. But he is against paid clergy. We learn that from Paul's example as he worked for his stuff when preaching for free. It was a sacrifice and gift to the Lord for Paul to do that. Has your church lost this important principle?
John 2:15 When He had made a whip of cords, He drove them all out of the temple, with the sheep and the oxen, and poured out the changers’ money and overturned the tables. 16 And He said to those who sold doves, “Take these things away! Do not make My Father’s house a house of merchandise!” 17 Then His disciples remembered that it was written, “Zeal for Your house has eaten Me up.”
St. SteVen
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I suppose this means that you are not attending church, nor supporting any religious organization?
Paul grew up in a synagogue community. He knew full well how that worked.
Any ten families could afford a synagogue with a tithe.
Anyone who has tried the commune style Christian community has failed pretty quickly. ASAIK
St. SteVen
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I did. And so did you?
You judged today's church for being run like a business, and not following the example of the early church.
And then dodged my question about church attendance. (claiming it was judgmental)
So you fall for the scam churches but are attempting to pass judgment on a person for what? What have I done or not done that you feel you need to judge me for? You've made a lot of assumptions about me that I don't find pleasant.
We are the church. When a predatory cult uses Jesus as the vehicle to rob people of their innocence, exploit them for slave labor, and live like kings off donations that are only legally suppose to sustain the church, we are obligated to judge And put a stop to it.
Would you say the same thing regarding the innumerable children who were, are, raped and molested by priests in the RCC?
AlwaysOnAJourney
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We haft to make judgement calls on things. It seems to me that Jesus is warning us to be careful about who we judge. Once you got the plank out of your eye then you can see to remove the speck from your brothers eye. (We all need help from our Brothers and Sisters in Christ) The thing is we can get carried away on both sides. When you drive down the road there is a ditch on either side of you. It doesn't matter if you drive off of the left side of the road or right side of the road. Either way you end up in a ditch. The idea is to stay on the road. The straight and narrow road. That is the road of Jesus and the one that leads to heaven. All others lead to destruction. In this life it is easy to take your eyes off of Jesus, just like Peter did when He got out the boat and started to sink. While He was keeping his eyes on Jesus all was well.
I don't know that much about Hillsong specifically. But I know from experience that All Christian Entertainment brings some controversy. It is considered to be a hard balance between a business and ministry. People get their eyes off of Jesus, and other concerns take over.
Turn Your Eyes Upon Jesus
Song by Helen H. Lemme
O soul are you weary and troubled
No light in the darkness you see
There's light for a look at the Savior
And life more abundant and free
Turn your eyes upon Jesus
Look full in his wonderful face
And the things of earth will grow strangely dim
In the light of his glory and grace
His word shall not fail you he promised
Believe him and all will be well
Then go to a world that is dying
His perfect salvation to tell
Turn your eyes upon Jesus
Look full in his wonderful face
And the things of earth will grow strangely dim
In the light of his glory and grace
O soul are you weary and troubled
No light in the darkness you see
There's light for a look at the Savior
And life more abundant and free
Turn your eyes upon Jesus
Look full in his wonderful face
And the things of earth will grow strangely dim
In the light of his glory and grace
Source: Musixmatch
Songwriters: Steven Taylor / Helen Lemmel
I don't know that much about Hillsong specifically. But I know from experience that All Christian Entertainment brings some controversy. It is considered to be a hard balance between a business and ministry. People get their eyes off of Jesus, and other concerns take over.
Turn Your Eyes Upon Jesus
Song by Helen H. Lemme
O soul are you weary and troubled
No light in the darkness you see
There's light for a look at the Savior
And life more abundant and free
Turn your eyes upon Jesus
Look full in his wonderful face
And the things of earth will grow strangely dim
In the light of his glory and grace
His word shall not fail you he promised
Believe him and all will be well
Then go to a world that is dying
His perfect salvation to tell
Turn your eyes upon Jesus
Look full in his wonderful face
And the things of earth will grow strangely dim
In the light of his glory and grace
O soul are you weary and troubled
No light in the darkness you see
There's light for a look at the Savior
And life more abundant and free
Turn your eyes upon Jesus
Look full in his wonderful face
And the things of earth will grow strangely dim
In the light of his glory and grace
Source: Musixmatch
Songwriters: Steven Taylor / Helen Lemmel
St. SteVen
Well-Known Member
Judgments? Scam churches? My, my.
I asked legitimate questions. Conviction comes from the Holy Spirit.
I offer support for those who are honest about their church involvement.
There are legitimate reasons for not attending. I still do, but that's my problem.
St. SteVen
Well-Known Member
I won't follow liars the theives. They steal from God and give to themselves. What do you say about this?
St. SteVen
Well-Known Member
Wait...
We are complaining about Hillsong being a business, but now someone is selling the expose' documentary? - LOL
What's wrong with this picture?
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