House Passes Ban on Job Discrimination Against Gays

[jamesrage]

One of the few times I am glad Bush is in office.http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,309340,00.html
WASHINGTON — The House on Wednesday approved the first federal ban on job discrimination against gays, lesbians and bisexuals.Passage of the Employment Non-Discrimination Act came despite protests from some gay rights supporters that the bill does not protect transgender workers. That term covers transsexuals, cross-dressers and others whose outward appearance does not match their gender at birth.The measure would make it illegal for employers to make decisions about hiring, firing, promoting or paying an employee based on sexual orientation. It would exempt churches and the military.After the 235-184 vote, supporters are expecting a tough fight in the narrowly divided Senate, where Massachusetts Democrat Edward Kennedy plans to introduce a similar version.A veto from President Bush is expected if the proposal does pass the Senate. The White House has cited constitutional concerns and said the proposal could trample religious rights.Backers of the House bill proclaimed it a major civil rights advance for gays. "Bigotry and homophobia are sentiments that should never be allowed to permeate the American workplace," said House Majority Whip James Clyburn, D-S.C.The decision by Democratic leaders to exclude protections based on gender identity created sharp divisions in the party and among gay rights activists.Republicans, meanwhile, said the bill could undermine the rights of people who oppose homosexuality for religious reasons and lead to an onslaught of dubious discrimination lawsuits."This is, frankly, a trial lawyer's dream," said Rep. John Kline, R-Minn.

 

[Wise Haven]

More Gay bashing from jamesrage.What happens to non-practising homosexuals? Are they allowed to be Christians or seek fellowship by attending church?I'm going to be contentious again!!:study:If, in the US, a secular country, a religious body surely cannot be allowed to discriminate against any group or minority, that is not breaking the law, as that would be unconstitutional.Remember, religion is a personal choice. Though you would argue that homosexuality is a choice, scientific study has proved this is not true. Therefore you are discriminating against people who have no choice about their sexual preferences or identity. This is exactly the same as racism - people have no choice about the colour/race they are born into therefore to discriminate against them is grossly unfair.In scripture we read that man was created in the image of God. So, going by your thinking, anyone that does not conform to the majority physical attributes is actually an abomination. All the handicapped and mentally challenged babies are an offence to God and should be shunned by religion and suffer discrimination because of an accident of birth.That does not sound too Christian to me - after all did Jesus not cure a few people in his time?Maybe we should pray all the handicapped and homosexuals better.

Or maybe God is trying to teach us a little about tolerance, acceptance and compassion towards those who are different, rather than some "Crazy Eddie" version of the Nazi program.There are numerous things and people I dislike, disagree with and in some cases hate about the heterosexual and homosexual communities. But there has to be some live and let live in life. Hate attitudes create disharmony and fosters evil.I think if you want to restrict the rights of any group within society you should give them a substantial tax break as they are denied access to full rights to life and liberty granted within the constitution. By allowing discrimination against them you are also taking away their right to freedom from fear, no?The constitution must retain it's integrity and no transgression should be allowed to pass. The results of allowing bending of your constitution are already being felt. Bushy is rapidly eroding that integrity by passing the patriot laws,and we all know what the result of that will be.Give em a break jamesrage, a tax break would be a start.Nuff said!!We now have a similar law in the UK - but people of religion are not exempt.This may have been posted here already. Here it is again if you missed it.Link: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/fema...in_page_id=1879

 

[jamesrage]

(Wise Haven;21917)
More Gay bashing from jamesrage.
Oh yes I am a gay basher because I think choosing to engage in homosexual sex should not qualify one for special minority status.We do not give special minority status to anyone choosing to engage in sex with animals or little kids.You should not be forced to hire a sexual degenerate if you do not want to hire a sexual degenerate.
What happens to non-practising homosexuals? Are they allowed to be Christians or seek fellowship by attending church?
If they stopped being gay then they stopped being gay just like if you stopped stealing then you stopped being a thief or if you stopped being an adulterer then you are no longer an adulterer.Part of Christianity is repenting,seeking forgiveness for one's sins, and accepting Christ as your lord and savior.

 

[Wise Haven]

(jamesrage;21944)
Oh yes I am a gay basher because I think choosing to engage in homosexual sex should not qualify one for special minority status.We do not give special minority status to anyone choosing to engage in sex with animals or little kids.You should not be forced to hire a sexual degenerate if you do not want to hire a sexual degenerate.
Associating homosexual behaviour with bestiality and pedophilia is a typical logical fallacy (other wise known as a red herring)"This fallacy is committed when someone introduces irrelevant material to the issue being discussed, so that everyone's attention is diverted away from the points made, towards a different conclusion".Homosexual acts carried out in private between two consenting adults is the business of no-one else apart from those involved.Bestiality and pedophilia is illegal, immoral, predatory, emotionally and physically damaging to the victims who are - Non Consensual -A whole world of difference:naughty:

 

[Wise Haven]

(jamesrage;21944)
If they stopped being gay then they stopped being gay just like if you stopped stealing then you stopped being a thief or if you stopped being an adulterer then you are no longer an adulterer.Part of Christianity is repenting,seeking forgiveness for one's sins, and accepting Christ as your lord and savior.
So you must be a Christian who has totally stopped sinning in every way, yes?Congratulations! you have reached Christlike perfection:angel1: and this comes with the bonus prize of having the honour of casting the first stone at the sinners around you.Or are your sins of a lesser nature and therefore easy to repent and receive forgiveness for.

 

[jamesrage]

(Wise Haven;21947)
Associating homosexual behaviour with bestiality and pedophilia is a typical logical fallacy (other wise known as a red herring)"This fallacy is committed when someone introduces irrelevant material to the issue being discussed, so that everyone's attention is diverted away from the points made, towards a different conclusion".
It is not a logical fallacy, all three are immoral sexual behaviors and I know that at least two of those immoral behaviors are banned in the bible.
Homosexual acts carried out in private between two consenting adults is the business of no-one else apart from those involved.
If that is true then why are the homosexual appologist and homosexuals working so hard to indoctrinate children in our schools and get special protection?As i said before we do not give special minority status to someone who chooses to engage in sex with a child or a animal.
Bestiality and pedophilia is illegal, immoral, predatory, emotionally and physically damaging to the victims who are - Non Consensual -
Homosexuality is immoral as well .Considering the fact the individual seems to be confused about what God made a penis for and what God made a vagina for then obviously the individual is mentally and emotionally damaged to think that same sex procreation is okay.
So you must be a Christian who has totally stopped sinning in every way, yes?
I said nothing about being totally free from sin.I just a a person who do not commit a certain sin are no longer defined by that sin.Thats why I said a someone who no longer engages in homosexual sex is no longer a homosexual just like someone who no longer steals is no a thief nor is someone who no longer commits adultery is no longer an adulterer.
Congratulations! you have reached Christlike perfection and this comes with the bonus prize of having the honour of casting the first stone at the sinners around you.
You realize that after the mob left Jesus told the woman to sin no more.Therefore Jesus was not condoning adultery.

 

[Wise Haven]

(jamesrage;21950)

It is not a logical fallacy, all three are immoral sexual behaviors and I know that at least two of those immoral behaviors are banned in the bible.
Are you talking about immoral of illegal? This is why every country should always have a secular government so that a majority religion does not get to impose "its beliefs" on the rest of a society that may have different or no belief in God or religion. You can see the result of a merged state and religion in Saudi Arabia -I never want to see that in the Free world.It is only immoral by your terms of reference which are dictated by your religious beliefs. Homosexuality is banned in the bible but not in secular society.
If that is true then why are the homosexual apologist and homosexuals working so hard to indoctrinate children in our schools and get special protection?As i said before we do not give special minority status to someone who chooses to engage in sex with a child or a animal.
Apologist for any cause, political, social, religious or cultural should not be allowed to have free access to our children and spread "their own special agenda" There should never be special minority status, only equality for all under the law.
Homosexuality is immoral as well .Considering the fact the individual seems to be confused about what God made a penis for and what God made a vagina for then obviously the individual is mentally and emotionally damaged to think that same sex procreation is okay.
We do lots of things in life both with and without what God gave us. Do you walk down the street naked and live under a bush (only in Hollywood, hey?) What is the big deal with religion and sex organs - did you ever pick your nose with your finger? The biggest emotional damage I ever witnessed was committed on a person through religious sexual hangups.
I said nothing about being totally free from sin.I just a a person who do not commit a certain sin are no longer defined by that sin.Thats why I said a someone who no longer engages in homosexual sex is no longer a homosexual just like someone who no longer steals is no a thief nor is someone who no longer commits adultery is no longer an adulterer.
Fair enough!You realize that after the mob left Jesus told the woman to sin no more.Therefore Jesus was not condoning adultery.Did she stop being an adulterer after that - was she perfect forever afterwards, did she fall short of the mark again?

 

[jamesrage]

(Wise Haven;21960)
Did she stop being an adulterer after that
As long as she did not commit adultery again.
was she perfect forever afterwards,did she fall short of the mark again?
She may have committed other sins and sought forgiveness and repentance for those other sins.

 

[For Life]

House Passes Ban on Job Discrimination Against GaysThis is absolutely ridiculous. You know how many frivolous lawsuits are going to be filed if this actually passes? Why so many laws for homosexuals recently? Is this what the democrats are trying to show us they stand for? Homosexuality and Socialism. No thanks, I think we have too much of both already.

 

[jamesrage]

(For Life;22012)
House Passes Ban on Job Discrimination Against GaysThis is absolutely ridiculous. You know how many frivolous lawsuits are going to be filed if this actually passes? Why so many laws for homosexuals recently? Is this what the democrats are trying to show us they stand for? Homosexuality and Socialism. No thanks, I think we have too much of both already.
They want us to be like Britain or Canada where a preacher speaking out against sin can be tossed in jail under frivolous hate speech laws.

 

[Wise Haven]

I think this sort of legislation is a nonsense and a potentially dangerous to freedom of speech. However in some respects "you have asked for it".Having opinions or beliefs and faith in a particular religion that have negative views to a person or subject are just that - opinions, that you are entitled to have on any issue you see fit.However if this opinion becomes more and becomes hate, incitement to hate or violence then the border of civility has been crossed. Your opinion has become hateful and a threat to the life, liberty and freedom of the focus of your hate.If a society cannot recognise the difference between opinion and belief and a hateful attitude then it is not surprising that legislation will be introduced to curb this mentality.If a society has to legislate to prevent people being hateful towards each other it is an indicator of a huge decline in moral standards which needs to beseriously and calmly addressed.Preach what you like in your churches - but if you preach hate towards anyone or anything you have gone beyond the pale; especially if you are a Christian - Remember hate the sin, not the sinners.If we had better moral guidance we would not have this false PC nonsense interfering in the decent conduct of our lives. Where there is a vacuum it will be filled..........Decent morality replaced with PC drivel..........In a way, we asked for it:naughty:

 

[ps77]

There was not already a law against denying people jobs because of their sexual orientation?I think it's a great law.