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How do you magically go from 2,500 to 200,000?

Discussion in 'Ethics & Morality Forum' started by Enoch111, Mar 30, 2020.

  1. Enoch111

    Enoch111 Well-Known Member

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    Now the so-called experts have decided to promote fear and panic in the US population. Instead of telling people that with the quarantines, social distancing and effective drugs now available, they should expect a decline in COVID-19 deaths, they are unnecessarily scaring people with numbers like 100,000 to 200,000! (Note: Current count for deaths in the USA is about 2,500)

    "Dr. Birx is the response coordinator for the White House Coronavirus Task Force. She followed Dr. Anthony Fauci who earlier today estimated the United States will see from 100,000 to 200,000 coronavirus deaths in the coming weeks and months."

    Dr. Deborah Birx Says Coronavirus Would Have Killed 1.6 to 2.2 Million Americans if Top Health Officials Did Not Push Lockdown and Ruin US Economy (VIDEO)

    It is high time President Trump FIRED these fear-mongers (including Dr Fauci) and asked calm Dr. Ben Carson to PROPERLY EVALUATE the situation, and then give an informed opinion. Ben Carson is a Christian.

    Mr. Trump is also allowing his dubious advisers to keep changing his tune instead of staying the course. First he was going to quarantine New York state and a couple of others, now he's changed his mind. First he was going to end this shut-down by Easter, and how he will extend it until the end of April. First he was calling it the Chinese virus, now he's decided that he won't. Looks like someone is pulling his strings. On top of that his DHS wants to import 85,000 H -1B foreign workers to grab the jobs of Americans in the middle of this crisis.

    But here's the good news:
    UPDATE: Dr. Zelenko Has Now Treated 699 Coronavirus Patients with 100% SUCCESS RATE -- Using Hydroxychloroquine, Zinc and Z-Pak

    Dr. Zelenko provides updates on the treatment after he successfully treated 699 COVID-19 patients in New York. In an exclusive interview with former New York Mayor, Rudy Giuliani, Dr. Vladmir Zelenko shares the results of his latest study, which showed that out of his 699 patients treated, zero patients died, zero patients intubated, and four hospitalizations.

    Dr. Zelenko said the whole treatment costs only $20 over a period of 5 days with 100% success. He defines success as “Not to die.” Dr. Zelenko first posted his Facebook video message last week calling on President Trump to “advise the country that they should be taking this medication.”

    UPDATE: Dr. Zelenko Has Now Treated 699 Coronavirus Patients with 100% SUCCESS RATE -- Using Hydroxychloroquine, Zinc and Z-Pak

    You will not find the mainstream media talking about this and encouraging people to stay calm.
     
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    You know I have to agree with your OP. I cannot deny what my mind and heart senses and what I have read and deduced for myself in a calm and collective manner on this subject already.

    Just a note: the rate of so-called 'new' cases have decreased in the US, yesterday, for the first time. Maybe it is just a glitch...I hope it's not..and it is a positive and downward trend.

    Here's one of many, many inconsistencies and illogical arguments I can cite from this new terror attack by microscopic proteins encased in an outer layer of fat : Even though the authorities have said that the 6ft/ 2m rule of separation is effective to slow the spread etc.....I still touch the cashier at the grocery store when I collect my change. I still take the paper currency and place it in my wallet. Many grocery store sneeze barriers are still in storage today. I still am surrounded by 3-4 people within a few feet of me in the grocery store, as with everyone else. ......I still can see the dentist if I need a filling or a root canal...still see the doc and nurses without wearing any special gear....

    Now we have roadblocks set up at the gateway to various States to stop this new terror from invading different States in the US...it's a new form of 9/11 all over again.

    Just another thought and there are underling long term consequences: YHWH our creator made 'touch' one of the key senses not only for physical living and survival but also for spiritual worship and caring and sharing for loves ones. Isolating people with a so-called social separation distance rule runs counter to the wishes of our Creator. It is really an evil act to condition people to further isolate themselves from people as modern media and technology has already added to this isolation over the decades. WE all need to touch others to grow and share the love 'from above.'

    Bless you.

    APAK
     
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    Enoch111 Well-Known Member

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    You have raised an excellent point above which is being totally overlooked. You are absolutely correct in your assessment.
     
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    Joseph77 Well-Known Member

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    Other simpler and safer means , known and proven hundreds of years, and Biblical,

    are not even mentioned = and when one was broadcast on television, it was totally censored and banned after that.
     
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    Josho Millennial Christian Staff Member

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    Not far off from 100,000 now. Now sitting at 90,000+ for the US. :(
     
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    There are now 120,000 deaths in the US, and a record number of new cases globally.

    U.S. death toll surpasses 120,000 as China, South Korea work to contain new outbreaks

    More than 120,000 people have now died from coronavirus in the United States, according to an NBC News tally, which shows that over 2.2 million people have been infected across the country.

    The grim figure was reached hours before President Donald Trump told a rally in Tulsa, Oklahoma that he wanted to "slow the testing down," on Saturday. The White House later said he was joking.

    The head of the World Health Organization also warned on Friday that the virus’s global spread is accelerating after a daily high of 150,000 new cases was reported last week.
     
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    I don't know why you keep insisting that the pandemic, that the entire world is suffering from, and that the only resolution to it is the creation of a vaccine, or social distancing, is a global conspiracy to subjugate a country's citizens? Death and defeat is on both sides of the issue, one is as real, and a threat, as the other. No government would ever demand such isolation, to the detriment of their own economy, in order to ** some ulterior motive. That would be entirely tantamount to shooting themselves in the foot, or cutting of their noses in order to spite their face. It is not an efficacious methodology, by any means. Isolation does not serve their alleged ultimate purpose, as you purport to be the case. The means do not justify the ends, by anyone's estimation.
     
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    The number of deaths in the future may depend on what we do. President Trump may not want to talk about it; but it should be clear that if the numbers of needless deaths continue to rise, he will lose the next election, even losing Red states where he could have won if more appropriate measures had been taken by Republican governors.

    New model predicts more than 208,000 Covid-19 deaths in the US by November

    The University of Washington has extended its projection of how many people are likely to die from coronavirus in the US to November 1, predicting at least 208,255 deaths by then, based on the current scenario.

    But if 95% of the population wears a mask in public, that number would drop to approximately 162,808, the university’s Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME) said Tuesday.

    Last week, the IHME forecasted about 175,168 total deaths by October 1, based on the current scenario. But if almost everyone wears a face mask, that number would fall to just over 150,000. . . .


    The model continues to predict a serious uptick in deaths and cases starting in mid- to late September and October. The projections could change if there is another surge in infections among at-risk populations. Currently, states report they are detecting an increasing number of cases in younger people, who have a lower risk of death, IHME said.

    Some context: So far, according to Johns Hopkins University, more than 2.96 million Americans have been diagnosed with coronavirus infections and at least 130,902 have died.


     
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    I have no doubt that the democrats would act to destroy this country if it hurts Trump' s chance for re-election. The hipocracy surrounding the recent riots has proven that to me. That it ushers in more control over the population is icing on the cake. This virus is an opportunity they can't resist.

    As for the danger, as I said before it would be better if at risk persons and those caring for them isolated. Then everyone else go about their business. The death toll would be higher but the ecconomic impact reduced. We would get a herd immunity established faster.
     
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    You still don't get it.

    1. The number of COVID-19 deaths is being MIS-REPORTED. If we want the truth, we would need to get a totally independent investigation of the numbers reported by a totally unbiased group of medical examiners who are not afraid of the Establishment.

    2. The number of COVID-19 deaths is ON THE DECLINE. Just because testing is on the rise means absolute nothing. The majority of those testing positive will not even show symptoms.

    3. Right from the start, there have been LIES, MORE LIES, AND GREATER LIES from China, WHO, IHME, CDC, NIH, and the Imperial College. So nothing should be trusted until and unless there is a thorough investigation (which probably will never happen).
     
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    Exactly, the deaths are flat.
     
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    footnote: (SMILE)
    Who should be TRUSTED ?


    p.s. I KNOW YOU KNOW.
     
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    According to who ?

    The Bible says the number of deaths will increase , regardless of what anyone does - no one can change God's Word / what is written - prophesied ....
     
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    There is quite a bit of false information being published about the Wuhan virus. Some of it is pure disinformation to keep the lock downs going. Some of it is designed to make people think that all ages and all races are affected equally by COVID-19. But many now realize that the lock downs were unnecessary, and using terms such as “deadly” and “deadlier” are meant to mislead and create panic.

    However, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) have analyzed the death rates both by age and by race and there are huge differences. The graphs are found here:
    https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-f...d-19-deaths-are-even-bigger-than-they-appear/

    1. Below age 44 there are very few deaths from this virus regardless of race. Schools need not have been shut down.

    2. People who are 85 and older have a very high death rate, and those are also the seniors in nursing homes. Nursing homes should have been designed properly.

    3. From age 45 to 85 (and up) the death rates rise, but up to age 74 they are similar to flu death rates (200/100,000 of population). So there was really no need for fear-mongering.

    4. After age 74, the death rates are 3-6 times higher for Hispanics and Blacks, but not for Whites. There could be socio-economic factors involved, or even genetic factors.There is no question that some races are more susceptible to certain ailments.

    5. The lowest death rates at all age groups are for Whites, then they increase for Hispanics/Latinos, and then they dramatically rise for Blacks. So one could call this Chinese racism against Blacks (if one wanted to play the race card).

    Apart from the above, it is now known (or has been know for ages) that:

    1. Social distancing has no appreciable effect on reducing infections. The rioters and looters have proved that.

    2. Masks are only good for those who are infected, but harmful for healthy people. But they do help to hide the identity of miscreants (when they are pulling down statues).

    3. Hydroxychloroquine (HCQ)/erethromycin/zinc sulfate as a package preventative treatment for healthy or mildly infected people is extremely effective. And that it why it has been mercilessly attacked by the media (one of the enemies of America).

    4. Remdesivir is extremely expensive and minimally effective. And that is why it is now being promoted, so that Gilead can rake in billions at tax-payer expense.

    5. Ordinary everyday precautions such as hand washing and normal distancing from people is good enough to prevent infection. But common sense never prevails.

    6. Maintaining one’s health is the key to avoiding any kind of sickness and disease.This has been known for ages.

    7. The so-called “medical experts” from the Establishment have been wrong about this virus over and over again, and some clearly had a hidden agenda for misleading the public. Dr. Anthony Fauci should have been fired in March, 2020 but he is still hangin’ around as “Doctor Doom”. He must have cast a spell on Trump.
     
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    Well, that shows clearly who not to trust (man),
    but the question was who do you trust ?
     
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    Where i live it's a shambles. They've increased testing of random people without symptoms so naturally more people are testing positive...
    The panic it created is just so sickening and frustrating "oh no the deadly second wave".
    Meanwhile how many people are in hospital, none. How many people have died WITH covid in our state, 22
    But they locked everyone down again. People are so afraid of speaking out that everyone just shuts up.
    Instead people like myself are ignoring it and going on with their lives
     
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    Enoch111 Well-Known Member

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    Have you considered writing to your premier and Prime Minister and telling them to cancel all the nonsense and allow people to resume their lives in peace?
     
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    Yes,
    from the looks of things,
    most people are willing now to receive the mark of the beast, whatever it is -
    see how quickly they received the masks, which were said by the world health organization to be without value to the public - only of value if you were treating someone who is sick ?
     
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    Cmon mate we both know that won't change anything... Im still doing my thing anyway
     
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