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The skeptic loves to point out contradictions, and if there is only one law, then there are plenty. I have listed below the contention of the skeptic, but I have also pointed out that my answer to the skeptic is that the bible distinguishes between the moral law (the commandments) and the ceremonial law (sacrificial system). The former is established while the latter is done away with by Christ's sacrifice.

Most Christians deny this rebuttal to the skeptic. For those who do not follow this line of reasoning, how do you reconcile the fact that the law is established, and done away with simultaneously? How do you reconcile that we are judged, yet no one is judged? etc.



THE GREAT MORAL LAW vs. THE CEREMONIAL LAW
1. Called the "Law of the Lord" (Isa. 5:24).
1. Was called the "law of offerings and sacrifices." (Heb 9:9, Lev. 7:37-38).
2. Called "the Royal Law" (James 2:8,10-12).
(At the time James was writing, the Old Testament was considered the only Scripture.)
2.
3. Will be the standard in the Judgment (Ja. 2:10-12; Rom. 2:12,13; Eccl. 12:13,14).
3. Judges no man (Col. 2:14-16).
4. Written with the finger of God, on stone (Deut. 4:13; Ex. 31:18; Ex. 32:16).
4. Written by Moses in a book (2 Chron 35:12).
5. Placed inside of the Ark in the Sanctuary (Ex. 40:20).
5. Placed in a pocket on the outside of the Ark (Deut. 31:24-26).
6. Symbolized Christ’s Act of sacrifice, and work of atonement (John 1 29,36).
6. Points out sin (Romans 7:7). A mirror (James 1:23).
7. Where there is no law, there is no sin therefore the law existed before sin. (1 John. 3:4; Rom. 4:15). Lucifer sinned when he broke God’s law.
7. Was added "because of sin" (Gal. 3:19).
8. Is not burdensome (1 John 5:3). Called "the law of liberty" (James 2:12).
8. Was a "yoke of bondage". (Gal. 5:1, Acts 15:10).
9. Is "holy, just and good" (Rom. 7:12).
9. Was "carnal" or "fleshly". (Heb. 7:16).
10. "Till heaven and earth pass away, no part will be done away with or changed (Matt. 5:18)
10. Was taken away (Heb. 10:9), annulled (Heb. 7:18), abolished (Eph. 2:15), made obsolete (Heb. 8:13), changed (Heb. 7:12).
11. Is perfect (Psalm 19:7; Romans 7:12).
11. Was a "shadow" of the real "things to come" (Col. 2:17, Heb. 8:6, Heb. 9:9).
12. Is "established" (Romans 3:31).
12. Is "obsolete" (Heb. 8:13).
13. Is "the whole duty of man" (Eccl. 12:13; John 15:10.
13."Let no man judge you in regard to ... a festival or a new moon or (ceremonial) sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ" (Col. 2:16-17).
14. Is built upon principles of supreme love for God and love for our fellow man (Ja. 2:8-12; Matt. 22:36-40; Deut. 6:5; Lev. 19:18).
14.Is a beautiful prophecy of Christ’s death, resurrection, and Heavenly mediation.
15. Is written in our hearts by the Spirit of Christ when we accept Him by faith as our Saviour (Heb. 8:8-10; Rom. 2:15; 2 Cor. 3:3; Jer. 31:33,34).
15.
16. Carries a promise ( Jer. 31:33,34; Gal. 3:29).
16.
17. Converts the soul (Psalm 19:7).
17. "Made nothing perfect" (Heb. 7:19; Heb. 9:9).
 

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The skeptic loves to point out contradictions, and if there is only one law, then there are plenty. I have listed below the contention of the skeptic, but I have also pointed out that my answer to the skeptic is that the bible distinguishes between the moral law (the commandments) and the ceremonial law (sacrificial system). The former is established while the latter is done away with by Christ's sacrifice.

Most Christians deny this rebuttal to the skeptic. For those who do not follow this line of reasoning, how do you reconcile the fact that the law is established, and done away with simultaneously? How do you reconcile that we are judged, yet no one is judged? etc.



THE GREAT MORAL LAW vs. THE CEREMONIAL LAW
1. Called the "Law of the Lord" (Isa. 5:24).
1. Was called the "law of offerings and sacrifices." (Heb 9:9, Lev. 7:37-38).
2. Called "the Royal Law" (James 2:8,10-12).
(At the time James was writing, the Old Testament was considered the only Scripture.)
2.
3. Will be the standard in the Judgment (Ja. 2:10-12; Rom. 2:12,13; Eccl. 12:13,14).
3. Judges no man (Col. 2:14-16).
4. Written with the finger of God, on stone (Deut. 4:13; Ex. 31:18; Ex. 32:16).
4. Written by Moses in a book (2 Chron 35:12).
5. Placed inside of the Ark in the Sanctuary (Ex. 40:20).
5. Placed in a pocket on the outside of the Ark (Deut. 31:24-26).
6. Symbolized Christ’s Act of sacrifice, and work of atonement (John 1 29,36).
6. Points out sin (Romans 7:7). A mirror (James 1:23).
7. Where there is no law, there is no sin therefore the law existed before sin. (1 John. 3:4; Rom. 4:15). Lucifer sinned when he broke God’s law.
7. Was added "because of sin" (Gal. 3:19).
8. Is not burdensome (1 John 5:3). Called "the law of liberty" (James 2:12).
8. Was a "yoke of bondage". (Gal. 5:1, Acts 15:10).
9. Is "holy, just and good" (Rom. 7:12).
9. Was "carnal" or "fleshly". (Heb. 7:16).
10. "Till heaven and earth pass away, no part will be done away with or changed (Matt. 5:18)
10. Was taken away (Heb. 10:9), annulled (Heb. 7:18), abolished (Eph. 2:15), made obsolete (Heb. 8:13), changed (Heb. 7:12).
11. Is perfect (Psalm 19:7; Romans 7:12).
11. Was a "shadow" of the real "things to come" (Col. 2:17, Heb. 8:6, Heb. 9:9).
12. Is "established" (Romans 3:31).
12. Is "obsolete" (Heb. 8:13).
13. Is "the whole duty of man" (Eccl. 12:13; John 15:10.
13."Let no man judge you in regard to ... a festival or a new moon or (ceremonial) sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ" (Col. 2:16-17).
14. Is built upon principles of supreme love for God and love for our fellow man (Ja. 2:8-12; Matt. 22:36-40; Deut. 6:5; Lev. 19:18).
14.Is a beautiful prophecy of Christ’s death, resurrection, and Heavenly mediation.
15. Is written in our hearts by the Spirit of Christ when we accept Him by faith as our Saviour (Heb. 8:8-10; Rom. 2:15; 2 Cor. 3:3; Jer. 31:33,34).
15.
16. Carries a promise ( Jer. 31:33,34; Gal. 3:29).
16.
17. Converts the soul (Psalm 19:7).
17. "Made nothing perfect" (Heb. 7:19; Heb. 9:9).
Only a fool believes that the Law has been done away with.
But Christians are not under the Law, it's been changed because Christianity is "under Grace", that means that the Law is under Grace within Christianity. the Law still stands mind, but under Grace it has come to light as Jesus gave us the Keys to the 2 commandments he gave that must be understood for the Law to come to light. the Law was dead work in the OT, it was not finished off. Jesus put the topping on top of the Law.

I hear clowns claiming that the Law was done away with, so the commandments are not worthy of God now ? so they claim ! Jesus said nothing of the sort. God does not say something for nothing ever.

I have heard some claim that Paul took over from Jesus and they try to twist everything around making out that the State being called Israel is something to do with God, like as if God changes his mind and says ok you are forgiven, even tho you are not repented and also reject his only begotten Son, but God never changes at all in fact. so such is a work of man clearly. such people clearly do not understand what Grace is all about and think that Grace is only a grace of mans works, they do not have Grace in fact because they are so wrapped up in mans works that they are rejecting Gods works. clearly they do not abide in Gods works.
 

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Only a fool believes that the Law has been done away with.
But Christians are not under the Law, it's been changed because Christianity is "under Grace", that means that the Law is under Grace within Christianity. the Law still stands mind, but under Grace it has come to light as Jesus gave us the Keys to the 2 commandments he gave that must be understood for the Law to come to light. the Law was dead work in the OT, it was not finished off. Jesus put the topping on top of the Law.

I hear clowns claiming that the Law was done away with, so the commandments are not worthy of God now ? so they claim ! Jesus said nothing of the sort. God does not say something for nothing ever.

I have heard some claim that Paul took over from Jesus and they try to twist everything around making out that the State being called Israel is something to do with God, like as if God changes his mind and says ok you are forgiven, even tho you are not repented and also reject his only begotten Son, but God never changes at all in fact. so such is a work of man clearly. such people clearly do not understand what Grace is all about and think that Grace is only a grace of mans works, they do not have Grace in fact because they are so wrapped up in mans works that they are rejecting Gods works. clearly they do not abide in Gods works.
Is the skeptic actually seeking answers? Or just asking questions without real interest in the response?

It my experience, people with a laundry list of questions 90% of the time are in the second category, in which case I ignore the questions people have no interest in the answers to.
 
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Is the skeptic actually seeking answers? Or just asking questions without real interest in the response?

It my experience, people with a laundry list of questions 90% of the time are in the second category, in which case I ignore the questions people have no interest in the answers to.


So many of the questions asked are not really wanting to hear back with responses...what they do is ask a question so that they can just disprove anyone with a different belief or view..so it's not really and 'open' discussion... but just a reason to tell others how wrong they are.

A person can usually tell how it will go and what the intent is by the OP.
 

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Only a fool believes that the Law has been done away with.
But Christians are not under the Law, it's been changed because Christianity is "under Grace", that means that the Law is under Grace within Christianity.

That's not telling us anything. What effective difference is there between the law being done away with, and Christians not being under the law? When Paul states that some are no longer under the law, he is pointing out that they are no longer under the curse or penalty of the law. They are still obligated to keep the law. the removal of the curse does not remove the obligation. In fact, the curse is removed because they are keeping the law perfectly. That's how the New Covenant works. No one sins under the New Covenant. Therefore "there remains no more sacrifice for sins".

the Law still stands mind, but under Grace it has come to light as Jesus gave us the Keys to the 2 commandments he gave that must be understood for the Law to come to light. the Law was dead work in the OT, it was not finished off. Jesus put the topping on top of the Law.

Again, no one cares if you don't care to explain what this is all supposed to mean. It's too vague for anyone to care. If you can't explain what you mean, then no one is going to care.

I hear clowns claiming that the Law was done away with, so the commandments are not worthy of God now ? so they claim ! Jesus said nothing of the sort. God does not say something for nothing ever.

No one knows what you mean by any of that. If you don't care to be understood, no on is going to try to understand.

the State being called Israel is something to do with God, like as if God changes his mind and says ok you are forgiven,

Paul explicitly states "all Israel shall be saved", and "God has not forsaken his people who he foreknew" Rom.11:2.
 

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That's not telling us anything. What effective difference is there between the law being done away with, and Christians not being under the law? When Paul states that some are no longer under the law, he is pointing out that they are no longer under the curse or penalty of the law. They are still obligated to keep the law. the removal of the curse does not remove the obligation. In fact, the curse is removed because they are keeping the law perfectly. That's how the New Covenant works. No one sins under the New Covenant. Therefore "there remains no more sacrifice for sins".



Again, no one cares if you don't care to explain what this is all supposed to mean. It's too vague for anyone to care. If you can't explain what you mean, then no one is going to care.



No one knows what you mean by any of that. If you don't care to be understood, no on is going to try to understand.



Paul explicitly states "all Israel shall be saved", and "God has not forsaken his people who he foreknew" Rom.11:2.
All Israel that Paul is talking about is himself and all who are servants of God, as that is what Israel means in fact, just like when Jesus said to Nathaniel what Nathaniel was in fact remember that. that was the biggest complement that Jesus ever gave anyone.
You see all denominations will never point Nathaniel out, because they fear that such will wake people up to the reality of what Jesus was truly saying.
The modern day State called Israel is a whore ! it's a work of man ! and nothing to do with God at all. it was a creation of Rothschild mob of Satanist and their Talmud Whore that control the world bank system, they push for the State and the NWO that they will control the whole world from that State. they killed 70 million Goyim and 6 million Jews in WW2 in order to get that Land and Hitler supported this plan totally, if it was not for your old mate Hitler the State would never of came about in fact.
Hitler and Stalin and Churchill and the US President were all top Freemasons who worked to the plan of their god the Talmud whore and they are all Jews in fact. the war was set up, it was planed well in advance.
We never won WW2, look a how it started off, that's insane ! Poland was lost in the end :rolleyes: how pathetic ! the UK kicked off the war because of Poland and in fact lost Poland :rolleyes: what morons ! what a joke ? then the US is dragged into the war due to the Freemasons Talmud power that created the Pearl Harbour situation :eek: that was a blatant murder of all them people and if you ever bothered to understand why the Grand Admiral refused the Presidents in sane Satanic orders to him and why he resigned was that he knew what was going to happen in Pearl Harbour in fact.
That takes care of Rom 11:2 for you.
So Gods people are they that are saved born again for they are the servants of God and for 2000 years that has been so.
Any person who rejects Jesus Christ is a bastard of Satan in fact and anyone who does not understand that fact is not a worthy Christian.
 

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I have heard some claim that Paul took over from Jesus and they try to twist everything around making out that the State being called Israel is something to do with God
It has everything to do with God, If God did not keep His promise with Israel, why should He keep His promise with us. For a nation that has nothing to do with God, te hdevil and man have being doing there darnedest to destroy it, and unbelieving Christinas who oppose Israel oppose God. they are His children and always will be, as Jesus put it.

Luk 21:29 And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees;
Luk 21:30 When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.
Luk 21:31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.

It is because of Israel we know the end is here.
 

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You have it all wrong because you are not born again, so you can not fathom what I am saying, so you claim that no one cares. I understand what you are saying.
Some so called Christians are claiming that the Law has been done away with, as if it is irrelevant now ? well that is stupidity ! that is claiming that God makes Laws up as he goes, fact is that Gods word is solid regardless, it's man who makes up things to suit themselves in fact.

Now the Jews back in the days though that Jesus was tampering with the Law, but no he was not in fact, he was putting the icing on the cake one could say finishing this work off before God. now a carnal mind will not understand what it is that Jesus is doing, but a true Israelite can see, just as Nathaniel could, now what did Jesus say to Nathaniel as to what he would see ? remember that ! now that is heavy stuff, can you believe what Jesus said to him, as to what he would see ? that's the most inspiring point in the Bible, what he was going to see ! no wonder most so called Christians try to hide from this fact of the Bible, because they who under the power of Satan can not handle such, because their power will be lost.

Now Jesus said not one jot from the OT Law he was removing. but he was finishing it off, the Icing is the two commandments that Jesus gave stand above all the Commandments and this makes the Law come under the Grace that Jesus gave, it's a gift ! you must pick it up to become a Christian and abide in it.

The Problem with the Jewish point of view to the Commandments is that they are under the Law and lost to Grace, so they are enslaved under it. all that they have to do is pick up the Gift and come under Grace and they will be set free.
Grace never removed the Law at all, Grace is set above the Law, for it is a Spiritual comprehension and that is why anyone who does not have the Holy Spirit will not fathom the reality of Grace, such people think that it's only grace that one is talking about, because they can not fathom the Grace of God ? Grace is a work of God, but grace ( small g mind you) is only a mans workings. don't get the two mixed up.

Christians still Sin but when born again they are not under the power of Sin because they have a handle on Sin as they understand the workings of Sin so they are not under such great delusions. When one become born again then you will start off to learning the truth as the Holy Spirit will guide you and it's not you, you do not lead but it's the Holy Spirit that Guides you.
 

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It has everything to do with God, If God did not keep His promise with Israel, why should He keep His promise with us. For a nation that has nothing to do with God, te hdevil and man have being doing there darnedest to destroy it, and unbelieving Christinas who oppose Israel oppose God. they are His children and always will be, as Jesus put it.

Luk 21:29 And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees;
Luk 21:30 When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.
Luk 21:31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.

It is because of Israel we know the end is here.
The State of Israel does not exist in fact, go ask a worthy devout Jew and he will point that out to you, they wish it was true, but the State is a whore as it stands now, controlled by demonic degenerates they will tell you.

Israel is the servants of God in fact ! not the Land, Jacob became Israel do you understand why! that is what it's all about ! it's the Holy Spirit that gives one the Name Israel = a Servant of God ?

The Kingdom of God is for the Servants of God, no other can enter.
Adam and Eve were in the Kingdom of God, until they got kicked out.
The whole World one day will become the Kingdom of God.
The holy land is worthless, that is a mans works thing, it's just a Carnal boasting madness that gets people killed.

Jesus destroyed the Nation because the Jews were not following God in fact ! they were vomited out in fact. Jesus said that he will bring it down in 3 days and the morons did not understand that, they think that it's them who are building the Kingdom of God with their works. :rolleyes: how daft.

I will tell you how one can get saved and that's the Key to it all. you must be born again of the Holy Spirit. apart from that anyone is a clown, so called Jews do not cut it, they never did if you have ever studied the OT, only the Prophets of God cut the mustard in fact, and they were all killed by so called Jews in fact, because they are all lost, fact is that only one who is truly born again of the Holy Spirit is worthy of God.
Now no one comes to the Father but through his only begotten Son. so anyone who idolises any man is a fool, oh hang on I am a Hebrew come worship me ! well no ! I do not idolise the born again even, because we are only servants of God.

So ok what of me among the born again am I above the others who have no Hebrew roots at all, I think not as we are all equal under God.
God give us gifts as he sees fit, regardless of your blood line.

There are only about 10% of Jews who are worthy of being devout to the OT teachings in that State you claim to be Israel and the 10% are ashamed of the state of the State, I would not mind to go to the State if it was devout Judaism of the OT. But for what a whore house it is now, I cringe.
 

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All Israel that Paul is talking about is himself ...That takes care of Rom 11:2 for you.

You didn't even begin to address Romans 11:2 Paul says that God has not cast off Israel. He refers to national Israel who received the commandments and went back to Egypt. Sorry, but that's not referring to Spiritual Israel. Spiritual Israel doesn't revert to idolatry. Fail.

So Gods people are they that are saved born again for they are the servants of God and for 2000 years that has been so.

Sure, but so what? Here again, you're not addressing my post at all.

Any person who rejects Jesus Christ is a bastard of Satan in fact and anyone who does not understand that fact is not a worthy Christian.

Christ himself says that if you love him, you will keep his commandments, and so far I don't see anyone who keeps God's commandments. In fact, most so-called professing Christians actually justify their open defiant rebellion of God's commandments. The justify profaning God's Sabbath. The justify ignoring Christ's own teaching on divorce. They choose to become enslaved by usury, and then they turn around and blame Jews. Hypocrisy at its finest. They blatantly ignore the dietary laws which were explicitly referred to by the elders of the New Testament church to be observed. Acts 15:20. Where is this worthy Christian you think exists?
 

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You have it all wrong because you are not born again, so you can not fathom what I am saying,

You aren't addressing the original post at all. You're blatantly derailing the topic. You have it all wrong because you are not born again, so you cannot fathom what I am saying. See how that works for anyone who uses it? How about making an honest attempt to address the topic of this thread, instead of boasting about how you're born again, and everyone else isn't? Please try to stop trolling, and simply address the topic. No one is impressed by your claims to be born again, nor do your claimed credentials answer the subject matter. I suspect that the Spirit has a much better attention span than you do.
 

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You didn't even begin to address Romans 11:2 Paul says that God has not cast off Israel. He refers to national Israel who received the commandments and went back to Egypt. Sorry, but that's not referring to Spiritual Israel. Spiritual Israel doesn't revert to idolatry. Fail.



Sure, but so what? Here again, you're not addressing my post at all.



Christ himself says that if you love him, you will keep his commandments, and so far I don't see anyone who keeps God's commandments. In fact, most so-called professing Christians actually justify their open defiant rebellion of God's commandments. The justify profaning God's Sabbath. The justify ignoring Christ's own teaching on divorce. They choose to become enslaved by usury, and then they turn around and blame Jews. Hypocrisy at its finest. They blatantly ignore the dietary laws which were explicitly referred to by the elders of the New Testament church to be observed. Acts 15:20. Where is this worthy Christian you think exists?
Of cause God did not cast of his people, they abandoned him ! you want to study the Bible one day.
Jews were kicked out of the Tribe you know, all through out the OT.

You have to understand what Israel truly means bro, it started with Jacob becoming Israel, that may give you a clue, and not the modern day BS that has no foundation to this fact.
 

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Of cause God did not cast of his people, they abandoned him ! you want to study the Bible one day.
Jews were kicked out of the Tribe you know, all through out the OT.

You have to understand what Israel truly means bro, it started with Jacob becoming Israel, that may give you a clue, and not the modern day BS that has no foundation to this fact.

You're still not addressing the original topic. Here it is again for your edification. Evidently, you simply don't have an answer. Fair enough, but spouting off all of this irrelevant gibberish doesn't cut it.

the bible distinguishes between the moral law (the commandments) and the ceremonial law (sacrificial system). The former is established while the latter is done away with by Christ's sacrifice.

Most Christians deny this rebuttal to the skeptic. For those who do not follow this line of reasoning, how do you reconcile the fact that the law is established, and done away with simultaneously? How do you reconcile that we are judged, yet no one is judged? etc.



THE GREAT MORAL LAW vs. THE CEREMONIAL LAW
1. Called the "Law of the Lord" (Isa. 5:24).
1. Was called the "law of offerings and sacrifices." (Heb 9:9, Lev. 7:37-38).
2. Called "the Royal Law" (James 2:8,10-12).
(At the time James was writing, the Old Testament was considered the only Scripture.)
2.
3. Will be the standard in the Judgment (Ja. 2:10-12; Rom. 2:12,13; Eccl. 12:13,14).
3. Judges no man (Col. 2:14-16).
4. Written with the finger of God, on stone (Deut. 4:13; Ex. 31:18; Ex. 32:16).
4. Written by Moses in a book (2 Chron 35:12).
5. Placed inside of the Ark in the Sanctuary (Ex. 40:20).
5. Placed in a pocket on the outside of the Ark (Deut. 31:24-26).
6. Symbolized Christ’s Act of sacrifice, and work of atonement (John 1 29,36).
6. Points out sin (Romans 7:7). A mirror (James 1:23).
7. Where there is no law, there is no sin therefore the law existed before sin. (1 John. 3:4; Rom. 4:15). Lucifer sinned when he broke God’s law.
7. Was added "because of sin" (Gal. 3:19).
8. Is not burdensome (1 John 5:3). Called "the law of liberty" (James 2:12).
8. Was a "yoke of bondage". (Gal. 5:1, Acts 15:10).
9. Is "holy, just and good" (Rom. 7:12).
9. Was "carnal" or "fleshly". (Heb. 7:16).
10. "Till heaven and earth pass away, no part will be done away with or changed (Matt. 5:18)
10. Was taken away (Heb. 10:9), annulled (Heb. 7:18), abolished (Eph. 2:15), made obsolete (Heb. 8:13), changed (Heb. 7:12).
11. Is perfect (Psalm 19:7; Romans 7:12).
11. Was a "shadow" of the real "things to come" (Col. 2:17, Heb. 8:6, Heb. 9:9).
12. Is "established" (Romans 3:31).
12. Is "obsolete" (Heb. 8:13).
13. Is "the whole duty of man" (Eccl. 12:13; John 15:10.
13."Let no man judge you in regard to ... a festival or a new moon or (ceremonial) sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ" (Col. 2:16-17).
14. Is built upon principles of supreme love for God and love for our fellow man (Ja. 2:8-12; Matt. 22:36-40; Deut. 6:5; Lev. 19:18).
14.Is a beautiful prophecy of Christ’s death, resurrection, and Heavenly mediation.
15. Is written in our hearts by the Spirit of Christ when we accept Him by faith as our Saviour (Heb. 8:8-10; Rom. 2:15; 2 Cor. 3:3; Jer. 31:33,34).
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16. Carries a promise ( Jer. 31:33,34; Gal. 3:29).
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17. Converts the soul (Psalm 19:7).
17. "Made nothing perfect" (Heb. 7:19; Heb. 9:9).
 

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The State of Israel does not exist in fact, go ask a worthy devout Jew and he will point that out to you, they wish it was true, but the State is a whore as it stands now, controlled by demonic degenerates they will tell you.

Israel is the servants of God in fact ! not the Land, Jacob became Israel do you understand why! that is what it's all about ! it's the Holy Spirit that gives one the Name Israel = a Servant of God ?

The Kingdom of God is for the Servants of God, no other can enter.
Adam and Eve were in the Kingdom of God, until they got kicked out.
The whole World one day will become the Kingdom of God.
The holy land is worthless, that is a mans works thing, it's just a Carnal boasting madness that gets people killed.

Jesus destroyed the Nation because the Jews were not following God in fact ! they were vomited out in fact. Jesus said that he will bring it down in 3 days and the morons did not understand that, they think that it's them who are building the Kingdom of God with their works. :rolleyes: how daft.

I will tell you how one can get saved and that's the Key to it all. you must be born again of the Holy Spirit. apart from that anyone is a clown, so called Jews do not cut it, they never did if you have ever studied the OT, only the Prophets of God cut the mustard in fact, and they were all killed by so called Jews in fact, because they are all lost, fact is that only one who is truly born again of the Holy Spirit is worthy of God.
Now no one comes to the Father but through his only begotten Son. so anyone who idolises any man is a fool, oh hang on I am a Hebrew come worship me ! well no ! I do not idolise the born again even, because we are only servants of God.

So ok what of me among the born again am I above the others who have no Hebrew roots at all, I think not as we are all equal under God.
God give us gifts as he sees fit, regardless of your blood line.

There are only about 10% of Jews who are worthy of being devout to the OT teachings in that State you claim to be Israel and the 10% are ashamed of the state of the State, I would not mind to go to the State if it was devout Judaism of the OT. But for what a whore house it is now, I cringe.
Ye go argue all you like, it matters not, God made a promise to Abraham and to Israel, and He is going to keep it, no matter what mankind and his religions think. He doesnt break His promises just because mankind doesnt like the way He does things.

1Ki 6:13 And I will dwell among the children of Israel, and will not forsake my people Israel.

do you think God will forsake Israel just because you dont like it.

Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
Heb 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

it is going to happen just watch and see.
 

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You aren't addressing the original post at all. You're blatantly derailing the topic. You have it all wrong because you are not born again, so you cannot fathom what I am saying. See how that works for anyone who uses it? How about making an honest attempt to address the topic of this thread, instead of boasting about how you're born again, and everyone else isn't? Please try to stop trolling, and simply address the topic. No one is impressed by your claims to be born again, nor do your claimed credentials answer the subject matter. I suspect that the Spirit has a much better attention span than you do.
Their are no contradictions in the Bible at all. you miss read them because that's what one does when they lack the Holy Spirit in fact.
 

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Ye go argue all you like, it matters not, God made a promise to Abraham and to Israel, and He is going to keep it, no matter what mankind and his religions think. He doesnt break His promises just because mankind doesnt like the way He does things.

1Ki 6:13 And I will dwell among the children of Israel, and will not forsake my people Israel.

do you think God will forsake Israel just because you dont like it.

Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
Heb 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

it is going to happen just watch and see.
It's done !

I am Israel !

God does not abide in they who reject him, just remember that no one comes to the Father but through his only begotten Son.

So just remember that any who reject Jesus Christ are all of Satan, they do not know God in fact !
 

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Their are no contradictions in the Bible at all.

I never claimed there were any contradictions in the bible. Again, more Strawman arguments. Evidently, you didn't even read the original post at all. Evidently you're just here to derail the topic under debate.

you miss read them because that's what one does when they lack the Holy Spirit in fact.

The only one misreading anything on this thread is you. If you can't comprehend a simple post on a debate site, then there is little chance you can comprehend an entire bible.
 

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It's done !

I am Israel !

God does not abide in they who reject him, just remember that no one comes to the Father but through his only begotten Son.

So just remember that any who reject Jesus Christ are all of Satan, they do not know God in fact !

You are Israel??, really??, such a big burden to carry. I am a Christian in Christ, and has many will reject Israel, they to are of the devil, insisting that God is a liar and a deceiver and doesnt keep His promises.

Rom 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
Rom 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?
Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

God bless
 

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So many of the questions asked are not really wanting to hear back with responses...what they do is ask a question so that they can just disprove anyone with a different belief or view..so it's not really and 'open' discussion... but just a reason to tell others how wrong they are.

A person can usually tell how it will go and what the intent is by the OP.
Even so! Long ago now I tried for the first time to discuss an issue with the writer of the OP. Rather than do so, he put me on "ignore". I have read a few of his many OPs but rarely do I respond to them anymore since he cannot see what I write. Is God in that? Hmmm?
 
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You are Israel??, really??, such a big burden to carry. I am a Christian in Christ, and has many will reject Israel, they to are of the devil, insisting that God is a liar and a deceiver and doesnt keep His promises.

Rom 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
Rom 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?
Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

God bless
The RCC is Israel, it has always claimed to be Israel the Servant of God ! as how could it not ! one would be a fool not to make such a claim. So do the main Protestant Churches.

Christians do not use the Name Israel however, but all who are truly born again are a Servant of God.

I just boasted of being a Israel ? some what to make a point, I am a Hebrew blood line as well, so I could say such a thing sort of. but we Christians use the words born again.

Fact was that only the true Israelites became Christians in fact, as to the Bible and the Jews being only just the people of God, missed the bus so to speak because they were lead astray.

I understand all of Romans you put forward totally. all Israel is saved ! in Fact they were.

The State that is claiming to be Israel is not Israel at all in fact, only a fool would believe that such is truly Israel, the most devout Jews reject that it is Israel and it's only the simpletons and rat bags that claim that it is Israel, what would such atheist know anyway ?
Talk to any simpleton today atheist or yobbo nowadays and they will say that it is Israel, fact is that they do not have a clue what they are talking about and nor do their care, dilettantes the lot of them.

All bastards reject the devout Jews position as learned men in the OT, I see this all the time, as it's always the dilettante so called Jews that the modern day so called Christians are in bed with. the Devout Jews will not swallow the New age Christian rubbish at all, so the new age Christian hates the devout Jews in fact. I have seen this total hatred displayed many a time by new age Christian fools having a spac attack over them. boy the hatred ! one second they are idolising the so called Jews then the next total contempt for the real Jews.
I say forget the dilettante so called Jews as they are not worthy anyway of being called Jews, but it is the devout Jews who are educated in such things in depth, but the new age fear such people because they will be caught out and exposed for what they truly are, off with the pixies, the devout true OT Jews will not believe such rubbish, but they will come to Christ when the lights come on so to speak.
The Lights will not come on to any dilettante regardless as they love the darkness, they are all about mans works and that's why they peddle the Land issue, so what ! anything that is devoid of the Holy Spirit is in vane. I know your works ? such as they do not fool me at all, because they are mans works, I can see that ! but what most can not see is what it truly needed is the Holy Spirit to guide, but the bastards of this world reject such.
I have had stupid so called Christians claim it's all about the f ing land, we are going to make it happen ! ? they are clearly possessed or insane ! because they are devoid of the Holy Spirit. God will do the work in fact, not man as he always gets it wrong and f it all up, all through history that is all that man has ever did. Mans works are clearly of Satan ! and all such people have the blood on their hands. such were murderers from the beginning of their Father of Lies, Jesus pointed this out.

One need only abide is Jesus Christ only as that's what it's all about regardless, in such you can not go wrong then can you.