How Many Christians Believe When We DIE, Our Human Spirit Goes Instantly To HEAVEN?

[VCO]

I would LOVE to have everyone Agree on something, but I fear this is not it.

I absolutely believe that when we die, our human Spirit, if we are truly BORN AGAIN, goes directly to Heaven to Be with the LORD.

2 Corinthians 5:8-9 (NKJV)
8 We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.
9 Therefore we make it our aim, whether present or absent, to be well pleasing to Him. {They are not sleeping in the Grave.}

Another example is look what happens to Beheaded Tribulation Saints.

Revelation 6:9-11 (HCSB)
9 When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the people slaughtered because of God’s word and the testimony they had.
10 They cried out with a loud voice: {They have a voice in their dissembodied Spirit.} “Lord, the One who is holy and true, how long until You judge and avenge our blood from those who live on the earth?”
11 So a white robe was given to each of them, {That may be the very moment they were given their Glorified Bodies.} and they were told to rest a little while longer until ⌊the number⌋ would be completed ⌊of⌋ their fellow slaves and their brothers, who were going to be killed just as they had been.

Revelation 7:13-17 (NKJV)
13 Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, "Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?"
14 And I said to him, "Sir, you know." So he said to me, "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
15 Therefore they are before the throne of God, and serve Him day and night in His temple. And He who sits on the throne will dwell among them.
16 They shall neither hunger anymore nor thirst anymore; the sun shall not strike them, nor any heat;
17 for the Lamb who is in the midst of the throne will shepherd them and lead them to living fountains of waters. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes."

 

[Wrangler]

I was raised with this sort of thinking. I gravitated toward soul sleep more as I read the Bible.

The basic theological problem with immediately going to heaven is that it circumvents Judgement Day.

 

[ScottA]

I would LOVE to have everyone Agree on something, but I fear this is not it.

I absolutely believe that when we die, our human Spirit, if we are truly BORN AGAIN, goes directly to Heaven to Be with the LORD.

2 Corinthians 5:8-9 (NKJV)
8 We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.
9 Therefore we make it our aim, whether present or absent, to be well pleasing to Him. {They are not sleeping in the Grave.}

Another example is look what happens to Beheaded Tribulation Saints.

Revelation 6:9-11 (HCSB)
9 When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the people slaughtered because of God’s word and the testimony they had.
10 They cried out with a loud voice: {They have a voice in their dissembodied Spirit.} “Lord, the One who is holy and true, how long until You judge and avenge our blood from those who live on the earth?”
11 So a white robe was given to each of them, {That may be the very moment they were given their Glorified Bodies.} and they were told to rest a little while longer until ⌊the number⌋ would be completed ⌊of⌋ their fellow slaves and their brothers, who were going to be killed just as they had been.

Revelation 7:13-17 (NKJV)
13 Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, "Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?"
14 And I said to him, "Sir, you know." So he said to me, "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
15 Therefore they are before the throne of God, and serve Him day and night in His temple. And He who sits on the throne will dwell among them.
16 They shall neither hunger anymore nor thirst anymore; the sun shall not strike them, nor any heat;
17 for the Lamb who is in the midst of the throne will shepherd them and lead them to living fountains of waters. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes."

In order to be correct on this matter, it is important to understand that the "human" spirit per se is a fallen spirit, thus the need to be born again of the spirit of God.

Then, yes, the born again spirit, when we die goes instantly to heaven. But during these times, as Paul described saying "we who are alive and remain", one who has been born again of the spirit of God while remaining in the body of flesh which is technically dead, passes "from death to life" within that body--that body which does not ("cannot") accompany one into heaven. Thus, heaven is not so much a geographic place "above" this world, but rather above by status (even within one who remains in possession of the body of flesh until it passes).

 

[ScottA]

The basic theological problem with immediately going to heaven is that it circumvents Judgement Day.

"Day" being a term limited to the times of this world, is as good as any in understanding that the day of judgement...is now. This is the day of judgement.

 

[St. Joseph]

Thats what Paul said. I believe him

 

[VCO]

I was raised with this sort of thinking. I gravitated toward soul sleep more as I read the Bible.

The basic theological problem with immediately going to heaven is that it circumvents Judgement Day.

So you graduated from the Truth, to a false theory, is what it sounds like to me. I pointed out two examples Human Spirits in heaven, speaking. JUDEMENT DAY is for NON-Believers. You do know yours works have Nothing to do with Salvation, and I can proove it. Works are what we do to LOVE GOD BACK, after we were SAVED. So when were we SAVED?

2 Timothy 1:9 (HCSB)
9 He has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.

You see, GOD believes in Predestination, because HE can see Every Decision we will make, all the way to the END OF TIME. Yeah, God is MUCH bigger than you thought possible. Look up Predestination on you Bible Word Search Program or go to this site:

Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB) - Version Information - BibleGateway.com

www.biblegateway.com

 

[VCO]

In order to be correct on this matter, it is important to understand that the "human" spirit per se is a fallen spirit, thus the need to be born again of the spirit of God.

Then, yes, the born again spirit, when we die goes instantly to heaven. But during these times, as Paul described saying "we who are alive and remain", one who has been born again of the spirit of God while remaining in the body of flesh which is technically dead, passes "from death to life" within that body--that body which does not ("cannot") accompany one into heaven. Thus, heaven is not so much a geographic place "above" this world, but rather above by status (even within one who remains in possession of the body of flesh until it passes).

Try to make that THEORY Fly with this Verse:

2 Timothy 1:9 (HCSB)
9 He has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began

And when DID HE WRITE our Names in the Book of LIFE?

Revelation 13:8-9 (HCSB)
8 All those who live on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name was not written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slaughtered.
9 If anyone has an ear, he should listen:


NO OFFENCE INTENDED, but I think your Theory cannot fly, Click on this Link:

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[ScottA]

Try to make that THEORY Fly with this Verse:

2 Timothy 1:9 (HCSB)
9 He has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began

And when DID HE WRITE our Names in the Book of LIFE?

Revelation 13:8-9 (HCSB)
8 All those who live on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name was not written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slaughtered.
9 If anyone has an ear, he should listen:


NO OFFENCE INTENDED, but I think your Theory cannot fly, Click on this Link:

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I have presented no "theory", but have explained the truth and the confusion.

 

[VCO]

There is something to be Learned by studying Biblical History. I know, and I know, some say NOT. But let me prove it to You.

 

[VCO]

I was raised with this sort of thinking. I gravitated toward soul sleep more as I read the Bible.

The basic theological problem with immediately going to heaven is that it circumvents Judgement Day.

Now you said that like you think your works are going to save you, or add to your Salvation.

I got news for you, IT WILL NOT COUNT one BIT FOR YOUR SALVATION.

HERE IS WHEN WE WERE SAVED:


2 Timothy 1:9 (HCSB)
9 He has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.


Titus 3:5-7 (HCSB)
5 He saved us- not by works of righteousness that we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of regeneration and renewal by the Holy Spirit.
6 He poured out this Spirit on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior,
7 so that having been justified by His grace, {Notice the past tense verbage.} we may become heirs with the hope of eternal life.
* * * * * * * * * *

Acts 13:48 (NRSV)
48 When the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and praised the word of the Lord; and as many as had been destined for eternal life became believers.

Ephesians 2:8-9 (NJB)
8 Because it is by grace that you have been saved, through faith; not by anything of your own, but by a gift from God;
9 not by anything that you have done, so that nobody can claim the credit.

John 10:28 (HCSB)
28 I give them eternal life , and they will never perish—ever! No one will snatch them out of My hand.

Revelation 13:8 (ASV)
8 And all that dwell on the earth shall worship him, every one whose name hath not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb that hath been slain.

Everyone who is TRULY Born Again, has his or her name written in the BOOK of LIFE already, from the Foundation of the World.

Judgement Day is for unbelievers and non-born again who only think they were Christians.

 

[Taken]

How Many Christians Believe When We DIE, Our Human Spirit Goes Instantly To HEAVEN?​

OP^
Speaking from the view of myself a Converted IN Christ person, Believe when a Converted IN Christ person bodily dies;
* Their Saved living soul departs their dead body and is escorted to Heaven.
* Their Quickened born again spirit departs their dead body and rises up to Heaven to Gods hands.
* Their Dead body begins decaying, stinking, eaten by animals, or buried by living men….regardless, it begins its stage of returning to dust.

 

[Patrick1966]

To me, Eternal life means ETERNAL life. Existing in suspended animation for an eon is NOT actually "living". So, yes, I believe faithful Christians go directly to Heaven.

John 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

 

[DJT_47]

The Spirit returns to God and the body back to the earth as the scriptures teach. The soul is not the Spirit if that's what your insinuation was by your wording.

 

[Patrick1966]

The Spirit returns to God and the body back to the earth as the scriptures teach. The soul is not the Spirit if that's what your insinuation was by your wording.

I have read and watched seemingly countless testimonies of people who claim to have had Heavenly (and Hellish) NDE's. That's one reason that I believe that believers do go straight to Heaven. As well, as John 3:16 says, those who believe will NEVER perish. Existing in some sort of suspended animation for an eon or so is not exactly "living".

 

[DJT_47]

I have read and watched seemingly countless testimonies of people who claim to have had Heavenly (and Hellish) NDE's. That's one reason that I believe that believers do go straight to Heaven. As well, as John 3:16 says, those who believe will NEVER perish. Existing in some sort of suspended animation for an eon or so is not exactly "living".

I didn't address that. I simply made the distinction regarding the spirit, the body, and soul.

Also, don't trust NDE's because the positive ones infer that non Christians are in heaven and have nothing to fear.of death. That's contrary to the word of God.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

“But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.” (1 Thessalonians 4:13-14)

They are asleep.

Not awake in heaven.

To undo this plain doctrine with scriptures like these:

“For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better” (Philippians 1:23)

“Yes, we are of good courage, and we would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord.” (2 Corinthians 5:8)

…is not wise.

I’d rather not have to pay taxes anymore!!

But it’s not happening folks!

 

[Cassandra]

To me, Eternal life means ETERNAL life. Existing in suspended animation for an eon is NOT actually "living". So, yes, I believe faithful Christians go directly to Heaven.

John 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

Well, this is the same verse I use to show that man is not immortal.
This verse also shows that those who do not believe will not have eternal life So someone truly dies, there is no eternal dying.


First this one 1 Tim 6:16 God alone hath immortality

Daniel 12:2
Many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt.

John 11:11-14
This He said, and after that He *said to them, “Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep; but I go, so that I may awaken him out of sleep.” The disciples then said to Him, “Lord, if he has fallen asleep, he will recover.” Now Jesus had spoken of his death, but they thought that He was speaking of literal sleep

John 5:28-29
Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment

1 Corinthians 15:20 Now Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who are asleep.

Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
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Psalm 115:17 17 The dead do not praise the Lord,. nor do any who go down into silence​

Ecclesiastes 9:10 ​

Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with your might, for there is no work or thought or knowledge or wisdom in Sheol, to which you are going.

Psalm 6:5 For in death there is no remembrance of you; in Sheol who will give you praise?

Genesis 2:7 Then the Lord God formed the man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living creature.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 Behold, all souls are mine; the soul of the father as well as the soul of the son is mine: the soul who sins shall die.

And there are many more:
What Does the Bible Say About The Dead Know Nothing?

 

[David in NJ]

I was raised with this sort of thinking. I gravitated toward soul sleep more as I read the Bible.

The basic theological problem with immediately going to heaven is that it circumvents Judgement Day.

Judgment Day was fulfilled by the LORD Jesus Christ on the Cross = for the whole world, all of mankind

Those who refuse the Judgment of our sins upon Christ will then experience eternal Judgment = John 3:18

"He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."

When a Born-Again Believer dies, his/her spirit goes directly to Heaven because it has no sin upon it.

 

[Patrick1966]

I didn't address that. I simply made the distinction regarding the spirit, the body, and soul.

It seems that the body and spirit are vehicles and the soul is our consciousness that drives both.

 

[PinSeeker]

I would LOVE to have everyone Agree on something, but I fear this is not it.

I absolutely believe that when we die, our human Spirit, if we are truly BORN AGAIN, goes directly to Heaven to Be with the LORD.

2 Corinthians 5:8-9 (NKJV)
8 We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.
9 Therefore we make it our aim, whether present or absent, to be well pleasing to Him. {They are not sleeping in the Grave.}

Another example is look what happens to Beheaded Tribulation Saints.

Revelation 6:9-11 (HCSB)
9 When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the people slaughtered because of God’s word and the testimony they had.
10 They cried out with a loud voice: {They have a voice in their dissembodied Spirit.} “Lord, the One who is holy and true, how long until You judge and avenge our blood from those who live on the earth?”
11 So a white robe was given to each of them, {That may be the very moment they were given their Glorified Bodies.} and they were told to rest a little while longer until ⌊the number⌋ would be completed ⌊of⌋ their fellow slaves and their brothers, who were going to be killed just as they had been.

Revelation 7:13-17 (NKJV)
13 Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, "Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?"
14 And I said to him, "Sir, you know." So he said to me, "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
15 Therefore they are before the throne of God, and serve Him day and night in His temple. And He who sits on the throne will dwell among them.
16 They shall neither hunger anymore nor thirst anymore; the sun shall not strike them, nor any heat;
17 for the Lamb who is in the midst of the throne will shepherd them and lead them to living fountains of waters. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes."

Hello, VCO. I am very much with you that our spirits go directly to be with the Lord. We can look at what Jesus says (in Luke 23:43) to the thief crucified on His right and see that, like him, we will go to be with the Lord in paradise the very day that we die. Agreed.

But regarding being born again, do you not understand that event to be the point at which, in this life, we Christians are called by God and justified despite our sin and placed in Christ and His righteousness? Among others, the following are the first to Scripture passages to come to mind:

"And you were dead in the trespasses and sins in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience ~ among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ ~ by grace you have been saved ~ and raised us up with him and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, so that in the coming ages He might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them" (Ephesians 2:1-10; emphasis mine).

"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to His great mercy, He has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an inheritance that is imperishable, undefiled, and unfading, kept in heaven for you, who by God’s power are being guarded through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time" (1 Peter 1:3-5).

Grace and peace to you, VCO.