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how many lives is enough??

Discussion in 'Inter-Faith Discussion' started by Samael, Apr 8, 2016.

  1. Samael

    Samael New Member

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    Too all these anti Muslim attacks. I myself not one but ask from a spectators perspective. you cast arrows and draw swords against this other faith not much different then your own to you Christians. they believe in a similar god to you one that smites those who dis agree who is said to be merciful yet damns others to hell. they don't accept your savior as the son of god but is it not listed that we are all children of god?? the angels as well??. they accept your savior as a prophet but is that not all he has acted? read about other demigods and Jesus acts nothing like a god but of a messenger of an Angel? the Jehovah witnesses claim Jesus to be Michael. far stretch? not really for the name it self means "he who is like god" and is not the son of the father. but I am getting off topic. if you are drawing swords demanding the blood of the Muslims they will demand the blood of you and so the circle of blood has been going on for awhile now, how many more lives before both there god and yours step down to end tis endless bickering, do you not think your father cry's over the deaths of his children. or do you think he laughs over this endless fighting. for only the Christians draw blame at the star of morning for evil but who would you say started It?? if you saw the similarities of both you Muslims and Christians an Jews you would not fight but come to understand that you are all 3 sides of a whole a trinity of humanity. and if all 3 sides put down the sword and took up the pen we may get to see the true power of religion, the true power of god it self.-Samael
     
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    Born_Again Well-Known Member Staff Member

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    Ummm, Well, a Christian should never demand the blood of anyone... You did say religion. See, now that's a horse of a different color. Religion is the issue. Christianity should never demand blood of anyone. If this is new information then I am sorry you have seen this in those who claim to be Christians.

    Vengeance is not ours. Its God's. We are to forgive and love our enemies. So, blood shed.... yea not our thing. See, back during the crusades, yes, the Pope did send out the Templar nights. And they foolishly killed in the name of Christ. And that was obviously not the correct course of action.
     
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  3. Samael

    Samael New Member

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    you cant pull the no true Scotsmen falisy that is not allowed as who is to say who is a true Christian and who is not (NO ONE) its all fake any way so I could easily say I am anointed by god and so could you the only true Christians were the followers of Christ but there all dead so now its up to personal claim
     
  4. StanJ

    StanJ Lifelong student of God's Word.

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    He didn't, which only shows that you don't actually know what the NTS fallacy is.
    Secondly what were you referring to buy all these 'anti-Muslim attacks'? Initially ignored your off because it didn't make much sense but now you're actually advocating that no one can decide who a true Christian is and that is not true because the Bible especially the New Testament tells us who a True Believer / Christian is. It's not a matter of being judgemental it's a matter of discerning. But the discernment comes from those who actually have the Holy Spirit in their lives. You can say whatever you want to say but that doesn't make it truth and it doesn't make it acceptable in a Christian forum, even in this sub-forum.
    I'll ask you again, what exactly is your faith?
     
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    Born_Again Well-Known Member Staff Member

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    Stan, he obviously isn't educated enough in Christianity to have this discussion. I almost smell troll....
     
  6. StanJ

    StanJ Lifelong student of God's Word.

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    Well he did come in guns blazing which is usually a sign of that but I really can't tell. Just waiting to see what his 'other faith' response is.
     
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    Born_Again Well-Known Member Staff Member

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    Fair enough! Sounds like a plan. We shall see, then. ;)
     
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    While everyone was created by God, not everyone is a child of God. "Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God" (John 1:12).
     
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    here it truly is if only accepted that not just Abraham was justified by his faith in God as His saviour but many others also - so here it is at last so follow carefully - why it is necessary we love our enemies - more later - twinc
     
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    The problem is confusing the religion of Islam with the political ideology that it has morphed in to. Not to be confused with many in Islam that are hounded and tortured by these same zealots. Many Muslims are decent people who try to feed their families and make a living. And it is hardly un-Christian to protect those that are unable to defend themselves. To do nothing to stop someone from inflicting damage or death on someone else is cowardice passing for Christian loving kindness and forgiveness. Even the preservation of life is held in higher regard than all the Mosaic Law, yes, even in the OT. Even if that requires killing someone bent on evil in order to protect the innocent.

    When these thugs decide to quit blowing up innocent people, beheading defenseless people, cutting off hands and feet of children before their tied up parents, disemboweling pregnant women, cutting the breasts off nursing mothers, etc, then we can discuss not killing them. Some folks live in a very sterile world which they view things. Those of us who have intimate exposure to real evil face to face do not look thru rose colored glasses.
     
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    Theer is not a nation on this earth that is not guilty of all of teh above
     
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    Really? When has the U.S. for instance condoned disemboweling pregnant women as a normal course of action in military operations? Given an order for military people to cut the breasts off nursing women or torture and kill children in front of their parents? Condoned tying up people and hanging them from structures by wire and then pouring fuel on them and cooking them alive? How about gang rape and sodomy of women while their husbands are forced to watch before being killed themselves? Or how about skinning children alive while their parents are forced to watch?

    You confuse the incidental deaths of people that get hurt or killed in military maneuvers. But no U.S. military component condones or participates in brutality on the level mentioned.

    No, these thugs take evil to new depths of depravity. You would be very hard pressed to show examples of organized behavior on the part of most any western nation that equates to their level. Don't even begin to equate putting panties on someones head or making them stand for hours to weaken their resolve against talking with the things mentioned above. That is dishonest on several levels. And true, some people have suffered and died in military attacks, but most civilized nations make every attempt to avoid civilian casualties whenever possible. These depraved individuals actively seek civilian atrocities as a normal course of action and to increase the terror level.
     
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    Obviously now a car or van is the 'weapon of choice'...is easier to buy and then dump.
    It will increase.

    ...this is all for World Dominance ...
    I heard one of their clerics explain that they believe 100% , and stand upon the verse in the OT that says-
    "Every place that the sole of your foot shall tread upon, that have I given unto you, as I said unto Moses."
    That is what give them the carte-blanche and empowers them to do what they are doing world wide. They believe it is their right.
    It is an invasion and has been from the start.
    Those who choose to retaliate and defend do not have the same motivation for killing...it is not for the same ideal of World Dominance as is the Muslim's have.

    It is not going away, it is not going to get better...it is here to stay... until they get their goal of World Dominance done.....and will escalate.
     
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    Job Well-Known Member

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    Excellent post.

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    Job Well-Known Member

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    Daniel 7
    23 “Thus he said:

    ‘The fourth beast shall be
    A fourth kingdom on earth,
    Which shall be different from all other kingdoms,
    And shall devour the whole earth,
    Trample it and break it in pieces.


    o
     
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    "ByGrace" Well-Known Member

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    It's just as well that we have already read "The End of The Story!!" :D
     
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    right at the very start of your ocupying the natives country. You have only been at peace for 17 years of your existance.
    There was no direct order for atrocitys other than the ones that told you to go kill other countrys people for greed and nothing else . just like the britsh empire and every other empire. There not a nice way to steal from other xcountry you need to kill em any old way that works. hiroshima nagasaki etc etc etc.
     
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    good God fearing/seeking Jews/Muslims/Hindus etc will reincarnate viz be born again as little Christian children - so anyone harming Christians could well be harming their born again brother, sister, mother, father etc - peace be with you - twinc
     
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    You have fallen into the error that islam wants you to fall. You say, 'Many muslims are decent people who try to feed their families and make a living'. Like that is the supreme test of 'goodness'. Everyone, be they good or evil, is trying to feed their families. So what?

    islam is a threat even though they are not killing everybody. Their doctrine is a threat. They as a people are a threat because they adhere to their doctrine. People, like you, are willing to accept them as long as they are not killing everybody. And when you accept them, they grow in numbers till the right time to spring their killing ways and doctrine again.

    islam is an enemy to every country where it exists. It's intention is to take over that country and place it under Sharia Law. And every muslim is a particapent in that effort.

    Stranger
     
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    Yeah, like the first war we ever got into as a nation.... the Barbary Pirates, which were Islamic thugs that would capture our merchant seamen that were primarily delivering fish and other food from the Americas to the Mediterranean area. And it is just decadent of us to stop a a bunch of insane idiots that were hell bent on killing anyone who didn't fit into their paradigm, the Nazis. And it was pure greed that we liberated S. Korea from the idiots that are still hell bent on starting WW III. And of course, we were just plain greedy to protect S. Viet Nam from the communist north, that after we pulled out and didn't keep our promises to the S. Vietnamese, the North invaded and killed many thousands of S. Vietnamese and placed hundred of thousands into "re-education" camps to work and many died in. It must have been greed to want a bunch of poor farmer's rice, correct?

    Sure, we are not as pure as the wind driven snow, and we have not held ourselves to high standards occasionally, but we have not, as a nation, condoned anything remotely similar to what is going on with these barbaric folks under the guise of Islam. We have had a few bad apples in the group, for sure, but we as a people have demanded a higher standard most of the time.

    Not being at peace frequently is not a negative condition. It has been primarily a positive one, as we were the ones at the time who had the ability and the resolve to stop bad folks from hurting, enslaving, and killing innocent people. You would have Mein Kampf as required reading if it hadn't been for us coming to your aid. GB would be a satellite state to Germany. And it must have been greed that caused us to come to your aid. Let's see, I don't recall us even asking for anything back or paying for what we provided. Sounds down right greedy of us doesn't it?
     
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