How to know : if you are going to Hell.

[Behold]

Reader....

You can know right now if you are not going to Heaven., whereas, God knew it before you were born.

This is not the same as God causing it... as ForeKnowledge, is not pre-destination...

So, how can anyone at anytime KNOW they are going to Hell?

Well, if that is the destination of the reader, then here is why.

John 3:36 (Read the verse, look it up).

And how do you stop being that : '"damned" one?

Simply do this..

Jesus said..."you MUST be born again">

And how do you do that?
Well, you can't do that, so that is the first thing you have to understand... as "all have sinned" and "there is none righteous.. no not one"..

So, to stop being THAT ONE, you "must be born again".

A.) ALL who call on the name of Jesus, shall be saved".

ALL who BELIEVE..... = their "FAITH is counted by God, as (Christ's) Righteousness, become YOURS... = THE BELIEVER.

And what does that do for you, and how is that new birth accomplished??

1.) All your sin is forgiven.
2.) You received the Gift of Salvation, that is "the GIFT of Righteousness"..

And Now, .. being forgiven,.... and being made righteous, ....puts you in the place, literally, where God "Who is A Spirit"....can now join Himself to your Spirit.. (new birth).

This is "Spiritual union" with God... This is to become "IN Christ"... This is to become "One with God".. = This is "ETERNAL LIFE"... and that is what the NT defines as becoming a "New Creation"...

This is what Jesus MEANS, when He told you.. that "YOU must Be Born AGAIN"/


And remember this Reader.......If someone told you that "when you were water baptized, the water washed away your sin, and you are now become a CHRISTIAN, then they lied to you.... .. They LIED to you.

Thousands of water baptized people died and went to Hell today, and they all were told....."the water saved you, water baptism saves, the water washed away your sin".

No It didnt....
See, if water baptism could save you, then why Did Jesus have to die on The Cross, shedding His Blood for YOUR SIN and mine?

Water gets you wet... only.
Jesus is your eternal Salvation, and He shed His blood and died and rose again = to PROVE IT.

 

[Behold]

Some things to know about Hell.

1.) Its not a myth, and its not a garbage dump outside the Jerusalem Wall., or city limits.

2.) There is No Cross of Christ found in Hell, which means its only found on Earth, where Jesus already died on it.... and so, you have to go to the Cross of Christ when you are on earth, By FAITH.... or you'll end up in Hell where no Cross is Found, and faith wont help you then....

Moral of Story?

No Cross = No Salvaiton

No 2nd Chance in Hell

Noone can be born again, in Hell, and if you are not born again when you die, Hell is waiting for you.

"well, i dont believe in Hell". "My mother does not believe in Hell".. "My church told me that Hell is not real"... "My bible version does not have the word "hell" in it"..

Well....You will eventually believe in it...., and God already does, so, who is going to be proven wrong?

A.) It wont be God.

AA.) Everyone who died and went to Hell, while you were reading my Thread..... ALL believe in Hell, now.

Believe it.

 

[GISMYS_7]

Very simple= the ONLY sin that sends you to hell is the sin of not believing in Jesus as your Lord and Savior!!!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

You can know right now if you are not going to Heaven., whereas, God knew it before you were born.

This is not the same as God causing it... as ForeKnowledge, is not pre-destination...

Though it is off topic- you posted it.

Predestination is "pro-orizo" marked in advance
Foreknowledge is "pro-ginosko" known in advance.

It is where we get our word prognosis from. and ti give a word pictur- it is a doctor who tells his patient they have a disease, but not to worry because the doctor will heal it. Why? Because the doctor knows what he is going to do

Prognosis is like the old days whenh one went on a trip.

They knew where they were going for they grabbed a map or an AAA trip tik and marked in advance the route they would take.

Foreknowledge is God knowing what He will do, not Him looking to see what a person will do.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Though it is off topic- you posted it.

Predestination is "pro-orizo" marked in advance
Foreknowledge is "pro-ginosko" known in advance.

It is where we get our word prognosis from. and ti give a word pictur- it is a doctor who tells his patient they have a disease, but not to worry because the doctor will heal it. Why? Because the doctor knows what he is going to do

Prognosis is like the old days whenh one went on a trip.

They knew where they were going for they grabbed a map or an AAA trip tik and marked in advance the route they would take.

Foreknowledge is God knowing what He will do, not Him looking to see what a person will do.

This thesis assumes God is bound by time and can't see human action before it has happened.

I believe God is fully outside of time and sees all events before they occur.

Prophetic detail of future events confirms this is the case.

 

[Behold]

So, anyone can know if they are going to Hell.

As YOU know, if you have trusted in Christ as your Savior, for the forgiveness of your sin, or not

Have you done this., Reader?
Can you remember the Year, the day, the hour, the MOMENT, you trusted in Christ, knowing your sins needed to be forgiven?

If you dont have that day of your Salvation on the Calendar of your past, then you must understand that Hebrews 9:27 is coming for you, and you need to get your eternity settled with God, before you DIE, and you dont know when that is going to happen, Reader.

I can tell you this......... If your city has a newspaper, then inside it, is an Obituary page.......and on it, are those who died Yesterday, and none of them thought they would be there.
This is why you must get this resolved.. As you dont want to miss Heaven, when God has provided it to you for free, because He loves you so very much.

BELIEVE in Jesus.
Trust in Jesus.
Give Jesus your Heart.
Ask Jesus to be your Savior.

Do it like this, pray this simple prayer of faith and GOD will respond and save you, as that is His PROMISE.

"Jesus, i know that im a sinner, and i know i need to be forgiven.. I know that you died for my sin, and i know you rose from the dead and are alive... And right now Jesus, im trusting in you the best i can, the best way i know how....>I BELIEVE in you, I TRUST in you Jesus, and i receive you now as my Savior with all my heart...........thank you Jesus...........amen.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

This thesis assumes God is bound by time and can't see human action before it has happened.

I believe God is fully outside of time and sees all events before they occur.

Prophetic detail of future events confirms this is the case.

No my position is based on the knowledge god knows the end from the beginning. God is in and out of time. time is merely a blip in the realm of eternity.

 

[Carl Emerson]

No my position is based on the knowledge god knows the end from the beginning. God is in and out of time. time is merely a blip in the realm of eternity.

Then why state this -

"Foreknowledge is God knowing what He will do, not Him looking to see what a person will do."

Do you think He can't already see what we will do ?

Or maybe you don't think we have any free will at all - just robots ? ?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Then why state this -

"Foreknowledge is God knowing what He will do, not Him looking to see what a person will do."

Do you think He can't already see what we will do ?

Or maybe you don't think we have any free will at all - just robots ? ?

Yes God sees what we will do.

But as for free will in the sense of being able to do right vs. wrong from Gods perspective? Mankind has no free will.

Paul made it explicitly clear mankind is enslaved to sin. In our own human nature Paul also said that we CANNOT please god.

We can make choices about what to eat and wear and drive etc. But we are incapable in our lost state of freely choosing God on o0ur own.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Yes God sees what we will do.

But as for free will in the sense of being able to do right vs. wrong from Gods perspective? Mankind has no free will.

Paul made it explicitly clear mankind is enslaved to sin. In our own human nature Paul also said that we CANNOT please god.

We can make choices about what to eat and wear and drive etc. But we are incapable in our lost state of freely choosing God on o0ur own.

I think you might be getting your "we's" mixed up.

The unsaved cannot please God.

We are not the unsaved.

We have the choice to obey the Spirit or the flesh - our obedience will be rewarded.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Yes

I think you might be getting your "we's" mixed up.

The unsaved cannot please God.

We are not the unsaved.

We have the choice to obey the Spirit or the flesh - our obedience will be rewarded.

I agree if you are referring to the saved only.

Unsaved man has no free will in the sense of choosing rightwousness or unrighteousness.

Only the saved have their free will restored.

Only the saved can choose to obey or disobey god.

If this is what you mean, I agree with you 100%

 

[Carl Emerson]

Yes

I agree if you are referring to the saved only.

Unsaved man has no free will in the sense of choosing rightwousness or unrighteousness.

Only the saved have their free will restored.

Only the saved can choose to obey or disobey god.

If this is what you mean, I agree with you 100%

Yes we are on the same page...

Incidentally I don't believe in absolute free will - it is always limited free will.

 

[Beebster]

Yes we are on the same page...

Incidentally I don't believe in absolute free will - it is always limited free will.

Hello Carl Emerson.

No one has free will and "limited free will" is a contradictory.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Hello Carl Emerson.

No one has free will and "limited free will" is a contradictory.

No matter how much you want to or how hard you try you can't turn into a bird and fly around for a day.

Every living being is existing within limits set by God.

However there are choices within the lmits He has set.

 

[Beebster]

No matter how much you want to or how hard you try you can't turn into a bird and fly around for a day.

Every living being is existing within limits set by God.

However there are choices within the lmits He has set.

We certainly have the ability to make choices, but every single choice we make has a cause and if it has a cause it is not free.

We do have a will, however our will is also driven by cause and circumstance which means that it is not free either.

As much as we'd like to believe that we are in control we are not; God is.

Peace.

 

[BlessedPeace]

Reader....

You can know right now if you are not going to Heaven., whereas, God knew it before you were born.

This is not the same as God causing it... as ForeKnowledge, is not pre-destination...

So, how can anyone at anytime KNOW they are going to Hell?

Well, if that is the destination of the reader, then here is why.

John 3:36 (Read the verse, look it up).

And how do you stop being that : '"damned" one?

Simply do this..

Jesus said..."you MUST be born again">

And how do you do that?
Well, you can't do that, so that is the first thing you have to understand... as "all have sinned" and "there is none righteous.. no not one"..

So, to stop being THAT ONE, you "must be born again".

A.) ALL who call on the name of Jesus, shall be saved".

ALL who BELIEVE..... = their "FAITH is counted by God, as (Christ's) Righteousness, become YOURS... = THE BELIEVER.

And what does that do for you, and how is that new birth accomplished??

1.) All your sin is forgiven.
2.) You received the Gift of Salvation, that is "the GIFT of Righteousness"..

And Now, .. being forgiven,.... and being made righteous, ....puts you in the place, literally, where God "Who is A Spirit"....can now join Himself to your Spirit.. (new birth).

This is "Spiritual union" with God... This is to become "IN Christ"... This is to become "One with God".. = This is "ETERNAL LIFE"... and that is what the NT defines as becoming a "New Creation"...

This is what Jesus MEANS, when He told you.. that "YOU must Be Born AGAIN"/


And remember this Reader.......If someone told you that "when you were water baptized, the water washed away your sin, and you are now become a CHRISTIAN, then they lied to you.... .. They LIED to you.

Thousands of water baptized people died and went to Hell today, and they all were told....."the water saved you, water baptism saves, the water washed away your sin".

No It didnt....
See, if water baptism could save you, then why Did Jesus have to die on The Cross, shedding His Blood for YOUR SIN and mine?

Water gets you wet... only.
Jesus is your eternal Salvation, and He shed His blood and died and rose again = to PROVE IT.

Calling on the name of Jesus is foolishness to the natural man.

Only those whom the Holy Spirit enters shall be renewed in that spirit in order to know to call on the name of the Savior.

If foreknowledge is God knowing whom those indwelt renewed people are before the foundation of this world, and those people only became what God foreknew because His Holy Spirit entered into them, that is

God can only change those whom he foreordained as those he would change before they were born. Everyone else remain to think the things of God are foolishness.

 

[Carl Emerson]

We certainly have the ability to make choices, but every single choice we make has a cause and if it has a cause it is not free.

We do have a will, however our will is also driven by cause and circumstance which means that it is not free either.

As much as we'd like to believe that we are in control we are not; God is.

Peace.

How then is there any legitimate reward for the obedience of a believer if the actions are not his/hers ?

 

[DJT_47]

If you've been saved, baptized into the body of Christ, and remain faithful unto death, is how you know you're not going to hell

 

[Beebster]

How then is there any legitimate reward for the obedience of a believer if the actions are not his/hers ?

That is a very good question. One that has been asked, I'd guess, many many times over the centuries.

What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.

For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. (free will?)

For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, (Do you think Pharaoh believed he had free will? I do.) that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.

Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. (again, free will? Nope.)

And then we see the same question you are asking (although yours has a positive connotation):

Thou wilt say then unto me, WHY DOTH HE YET FIND FAULT? For WHO HATH RESISTED HIS WILL? (How then is there any legitimate reward for the obedience of a believer if the actions are not his/hers ?) (Rom 9:19)

And here is the answer to your question right out of Paul’s mouth:

Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? (whether he hardens or shows mercy)

Shall the thing formed (man) say to him (God) that formed it (man), WHY HAST THOU MADE ME THUS?

Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? (Rom 9:20-21)

God is the potter and we are the clay and he (not our free will) molds us into exactly what he wants us to be.

This is difficult to wrap ones head around since we’ve been taught our whole lives that we have the free will to choose. But once we truly see that scripture teaches otherwise:

A man's heart deviseth his way: but the LORD directeth his steps. (Prov 16:9)

-we can then come to understand, God willing, why hell is an absolute abominable, unscriptural teaching.

Without man’s doctrine of free will the doctrine of hell has no merit.

For it is God which worketh IN YOU both to WILL and to do of his good pleasure. (Philippians 2:13)

For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen. (Rom 11:36)

Peace.

 

[Carl Emerson]

I think the relationship between God and the unsaved is radically different than God and the saved.

We should keep these two groups separate in the discussion.

Salvation of the unsaved is about God choosing, not free will.

Reward for obedience among the saved is about free will.