How to maintain God's Salvation

[Behold]

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Rebellion against God's word, is what separated Adam's spirit from God's Spirit.

Adam "fell", which means, he originally was created to exist in a higher Spiritual place, and fell from it.
The higher place, is a spiritual place....its this...."the MOST HIGH"...this is God.
Adam was "IN GOD", and fell from this spiritual position. = Spiritual Union with God.
God is Spiritually "the MOST HIGH", and Adam was a part of God's Spirit, and fell from this spiritual union, position....status.

For us to become a Son of God, as Adam was before he fell...the issue that is keeping us from Spiritual Union with God, (As Adam had) has to be RESOLVED.
What is that issue?
This is our SIN.
Sin is the issue.
Our SIN, is keeping our SPIRIT from becoming "ONE WITH GOD", as Adam had it before he sinned.

Jesus, who is God, in human flesh, died on THE Cross, shedding His Holy Blood, that is God's blood, so that all our sin is dealt with by GOD.
If you are trying to deal with your own sin....trying to get it forgiven, then become born again, as to become a Son of God, is proof that Christ has bore your sin and you now have God's Righteousness.
See that?
That is GOD, as Christ on THE Cross, dealing with all your sin.
Reader....If you could deal with it, then Jesus didnt have to die for your sin, on the Cross.
So.....Because GOD dealt with it on the Cross, it is eternally dealt with,... as God is eternal, and His blood sacrifice is eternal... and this blood atonement has been applied to you, if you are born again SPIRITUALLY, and not just water baptized.

God SAVES YOU, by forgiving all your sin, based on His shed blood and DEATH, and then, having done that, God births you into His Holy Spirit, by His Holy Spirit. = "born again". Spiritually.
This is to become a SON/Daughter of God.

And now, you are in them, as BORN AGAIN....Spiritually. "ONE with God", "In Christ".
They are in you, as you have become "the temple of the Holy Spirit"
"Christ in you, the hope of Glory"... (Glory is Heaven).

Adam had no CHRIST on the Cross to forgive his sin......We DO.
And this shed blood of GOD, is a one time eternal payment, and pays for ETERNITY...not just past sins, but for eternity you have been "made righteous".
A born again believer, is become..."the righteousness of GOD, in Christ".
THe born again exist IN GOD, Spiritually.
The born again are waiting for the eternal body that is made for their eternal life that is the born again spirit.

One more..
Let say that the day after you are born again, you mess up, a few times.
So what about that thing you did, again,.... since you were saved?
= God does not see it on you. God does not hold it against you in eternity.
Romans 4:8
Why?
Because the Blood of God, shed as Christ on the Cross, it a one time ETERNAL resolution that maintains your righteousness, = your "justification" and your FORGIVENESS.
Once you are born again as "the righteousness of God in Christ", you remain a "new Creation in Christ", kept by God.

Philippians 1:6

 

[GEN2REV]

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Rebellion against God's word, is what separated Adam's spirit from God's Spirit.

Adam "fell", which means, he originally was created to exist in a higher Spiritual place, and fell from it.
The higher place, is a spiritual place....its this...."the MOST HIGH"...this is God.
Adam was "IN GOD", and fell from this spiritual position. = Spiritual Union with God.
God is Spiritually "the MOST HIGH", and Adam was a part of God's Spirit, and fell from this spiritual union, position....status.

For us to become a Son of God, as Adam was before he fell...the issue that is keeping us from Spiritual Union with God, (As Adam had) has to be RESOLVED.
What is that issue?
This is our SIN.
Sin is the issue.
Our SIN, is keeping our SPIRIT from becoming "ONE WITH GOD", as Adam had it before he sinned.

Jesus, who is God, in human flesh, died on THE Cross, shedding His Holy Blood, that is God's blood, so that all our sin is dealt with by GOD.
If you are trying to deal with your own sin....trying to get it forgiven, then become born again, as to become a Son of God, is proof that Christ has bore your sin and you now have God's Righteousness.
See that?
That is GOD, as Christ on THE Cross, dealing with all your sin.
Reader....If you could deal with it, then Jesus didnt have to die for your sin, on the Cross.
So.....Because GOD dealt with it on the Cross, it is eternally dealt with,... as God is eternal, and His blood sacrifice is eternal... and this blood atonement has been applied to you, if you are born again SPIRITUALLY, and not just water baptized.

God SAVES YOU, by forgiving all your sin, based on His shed blood and DEATH, and then, having done that, God births you into His Holy Spirit, by His Holy Spirit. = "born again". Spiritually.
This is to become a SON/Daughter of God.

And now, you are in them, as BORN AGAIN....Spiritually. "ONE with God", "In Christ".
They are in you, as you have become "the temple of the Holy Spirit"
"Christ in you, the hope of Glory"... (Glory is Heaven).

Adam had no CHRIST on the Cross to forgive his sin......We DO.
And this shed blood of GOD, is a one time eternal payment, and pays for ETERNITY...not just past sins, but for eternity you have been "made righteous".
A born again believer, is become..."the righteousness of GOD, in Christ".
THe born again exist IN GOD, Spiritually.
The born again are waiting for the eternal body that is made for their eternal life that is the born again spirit.

One more..
Let say that the day after you are born again, you mess up, a few times.
So what about that thing you did, again,.... since you were saved?
= God does not see it on you. God does not hold it against you in eternity.
Romans 4:8
Why?
Because the Blood of God, shed as Christ on the Cross, it a one time ETERNAL resolution that maintains your righteousness, = your "justification" and your FORGIVENESS.
Once you are born again as "the righteousness of God in Christ", you remain a "new Creation in Christ", kept by God.

Philippians 1:6

More of your "Christians can lie, steal, murder, worship demons, etc. and still go to heaven." total nonsense.

The Bible says that dogs and pigs are those who return to their previous sins. It also tells us that dogs will be outside of the Kingdom. Thus, all of those who return to their previous sins (the sins that were already forgiven) will not be accepted into heaven.

This stuff is really not complicated.

 

[Behold]

More of your "Christians can lie, steal, murder, worship demons, etc. and still go to heaven." total nonsense.

If you understood the Cross, you'd understand my Thread's.

But here is the good news.
The Cross of Christ is your only way to heaven. John 14:6
"not by works, but according to God's MERCY (THE CROSS)... HE SAVED US".

You dont do that and you dont keep that.
God PROVIDES that : As "the Gift of Salvation".

Make sure you find this out, GEN2REV.

 

[mailmandan]

From beginning "have been saved through faith" (Ephesians 2:8) to end "receiving the end of your faith--the salvation of your souls" (1 Peter 1:9) salvation is by grace through faith and is not by works. (Romans 3:24; 11:6; 5:15-18; Ephesians 2:5-9; 2 Timothy 1:9)

 

[Behold]

From beginning "have been saved through faith" (Ephesians 2:8) to end "receiving the end of your faith--the salvation of your souls" (1 Peter 1:9) salvation is by grace through faith and is not by works. (Romans 3:24; 11:6; 5:15-18; Ephesians 2:5-9; 2 Timothy 1:9)

Amen.

 

[GEN2REV]

If you understood the Cross, you'd understand my Thread's.

But here is the good news.
The Cross of Christ is your only way to heaven. John 14:6
"not by works, but according to God's MERCY (THE CROSS)... HE SAVED US".

You dont do that and you dont keep that.
God PROVIDES that : As "the Gift of Salvation".

Make sure you find this out, GEN2REV.

From beginning "have been saved through faith" (Ephesians 2:8) to end "receiving the end of your faith--the salvation of your souls" (1 Peter 1:9) salvation is by grace through faith and is not by works. (Romans 3:24; 11:6; 5:15-18; Ephesians 2:5-9; 2 Timothy 1:9)

Ok then. Fair enough.

Can we still do all these things then?

Can we lie, steal, murder, worship demons, etc. and still go to heaven?

It's just a yes or no.

 

[Behold]

Ok then. Fair enough.

Can we still do all these things then?

Have you done any of them (those things) since you say you became a Christian?
Have you sinned by "word" deed" or "thought" more then once, since you say you became a Christian"?
Are you still one ????, because you= HAVE sinned, many times, since you say you became a Christian....

And on the day you say you became a Christian, did GOD know you would SIN LATER many times?
And didn't He save you anyway, if you are actually saved?
Why would He do that, if your sinning later, could undo your Salvation?
Why would God save you, if He knew that later your faith crisis would undo your Eternal Life?
Is God STUPID?
Would not God be STUPID to waste the Cross and its Power of the Blood of Jesus on you, if you can get rid of it later by all those sins you have committed, that God knew you would commit later?

Take some time, and just think.

 

[mailmandan]

Have you done any of them (those things) since you say you became a Christian?
Have you sinned by "word" deed" or "thought" more then once, since you say you became a Christian"?
Are you still one ????, because you= HAVE sinned, many times, since you say you became a Christian....

And on the day you say you became a Christian, did GOD know you would SIN LATER many times?
And didn't He save you anyway, if you are actually saved?
Why would He do that, if your sinning later, could undo your Salvation?
Why would God save you, if He knew that later your faith crisis would undo your Eternal Life?
Is God STUPID?
Would not God be STUPID to waste the Cross and its Power of the Blood of Jesus on you, if you can get rid of it later by all those sins you have committed, that God knew you would commit later?

Take some time, and just think.

Those who believe they live a sinless, without fault or defect, flawless, absolute perfect life 100% of the time (exactly as Jesus lived) are suffering from a terminal case of self righteousness. (1 John 1:8-10)

 

[Behold]

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[mailmandan]

I asked you if you have sinned since you say you became a Christian.
You ran from the question, and tried to hid behind a post that accuses other beleivers.

Thats not too good, but, that is your best, apparently.

Are you sure that was me?

 

[Behold]

Are you sure that was me?

Ah..
Posted deleted.
Thank you.

 

[GEN2REV]

Those who believe they live a sinless, without fault or defect, flawless, absolute perfect life 100% of the time (exactly as Jesus lived) are suffering from a terminal case of self righteousness. (1 John 1:8-10)

Gasp!

Who ARE those people?

Can you show us some of their posts that claim that?

Heaven forbid!

 

[GEN2REV]

Have you done any of them (those things) since you say you became a Christian?
Have you sinned by "word" deed" or "thought" more then once, since you say you became a Christian"?
Are you still one ????, because you= HAVE sinned, many times, since you say you became a Christian....

And on the day you say you became a Christian, did GOD know you would SIN LATER many times?
And didn't He save you anyway, if you are actually saved?
Why would He do that, if your sinning later, could undo your Salvation?
Why would God save you, if He knew that later your faith crisis would undo your Eternal Life?
Is God STUPID?
Would not God be STUPID to waste the Cross and its Power of the Blood of Jesus on you, if you can get rid of it later by all those sins you have committed, that God knew you would commit later?

Take some time, and just think.

I don't need to take time to think about it, it's not some brand new perspective that nobody's ever thought of before.

And, actually, it's completely beside the point.

You claimed that God forgives every sin we will ever commit, unto the moment of our future physical death.

I asked if that then means that we can willingly sin, live in habitual sin, for the rest of our lives after being saved and still be accepted into heaven.

You replied by asking me if I've ever committed any sins since I was saved. That doesn't address my question at all.

Please answer the simple question.

Can Christians live in habitual sin for the rest of their lives after being saved and be accepted by God into heaven?

Yes or no?

I know you well enough by now to know that you will NEVER answer the question so I will lay out your only two options for you.

If you say 'yes', that declares the Bible to be wrong in all that it teaches about sin.

If you say 'no', that declares your position that you are teaching in this thread to be wrong.

So, ... which one is wrong? Your thread or the Bible?

It's totally up to you to tell us which is wrong.

 

[mailmandan]

Gasp!

Who ARE those people?

Can you show us some of their posts that claim that?

Heaven forbid!

See my conversation with Michiah-Imla starting in post #39 from the link below.

1st problem with O.S.A.S.

I have also run across half a dozen or so others over the years on various Christian forum sites who have claimed to live a sinless life 100% of the time after their alleged conversions. They are few in number, but such people are out there.

 

[Robert Gwin]

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Rebellion against God's word, is what separated Adam's spirit from God's Spirit.

Adam "fell", which means, he originally was created to exist in a higher Spiritual place, and fell from it.
The higher place, is a spiritual place....its this...."the MOST HIGH"...this is God.
Adam was "IN GOD", and fell from this spiritual position. = Spiritual Union with God.
God is Spiritually "the MOST HIGH", and Adam was a part of God's Spirit, and fell from this spiritual union, position....status.

For us to become a Son of God, as Adam was before he fell...the issue that is keeping us from Spiritual Union with God, (As Adam had) has to be RESOLVED.
What is that issue?
This is our SIN.
Sin is the issue.
Our SIN, is keeping our SPIRIT from becoming "ONE WITH GOD", as Adam had it before he sinned.

Jesus, who is God, in human flesh, died on THE Cross, shedding His Holy Blood, that is God's blood, so that all our sin is dealt with by GOD.
If you are trying to deal with your own sin....trying to get it forgiven, then become born again, as to become a Son of God, is proof that Christ has bore your sin and you now have God's Righteousness.
See that?
That is GOD, as Christ on THE Cross, dealing with all your sin.
Reader....If you could deal with it, then Jesus didnt have to die for your sin, on the Cross.
So.....Because GOD dealt with it on the Cross, it is eternally dealt with,... as God is eternal, and His blood sacrifice is eternal... and this blood atonement has been applied to you, if you are born again SPIRITUALLY, and not just water baptized.

God SAVES YOU, by forgiving all your sin, based on His shed blood and DEATH, and then, having done that, God births you into His Holy Spirit, by His Holy Spirit. = "born again". Spiritually.
This is to become a SON/Daughter of God.

And now, you are in them, as BORN AGAIN....Spiritually. "ONE with God", "In Christ".
They are in you, as you have become "the temple of the Holy Spirit"
"Christ in you, the hope of Glory"... (Glory is Heaven).

Adam had no CHRIST on the Cross to forgive his sin......We DO.
And this shed blood of GOD, is a one time eternal payment, and pays for ETERNITY...not just past sins, but for eternity you have been "made righteous".
A born again believer, is become..."the righteousness of GOD, in Christ".
THe born again exist IN GOD, Spiritually.
The born again are waiting for the eternal body that is made for their eternal life that is the born again spirit.

One more..
Let say that the day after you are born again, you mess up, a few times.
So what about that thing you did, again,.... since you were saved?
= God does not see it on you. God does not hold it against you in eternity.
Romans 4:8
Why?
Because the Blood of God, shed as Christ on the Cross, it a one time ETERNAL resolution that maintains your righteousness, = your "justification" and your FORGIVENESS.
Once you are born again as "the righteousness of God in Christ", you remain a "new Creation in Christ", kept by God.

Philippians 1:6

Only one way to maintain being in line for salvation Be, through obedience. Mat 7:21 Those Jesus rejected were obedient to their teachings, so we need to make sure that we are obedient to the law of the Christ, otherwise we could lose out 2 Thes 1:8

 

[GEN2REV]

See my conversation with Michiah-Imla starting in post #39 from the link below.

1st problem with O.S.A.S.

I have also run across half a dozen or so others over the years on various Christian forum sites who have claimed to live a sinless life 100% of the time after their alleged conversions. They are few in number, but such people are out there.

So they're very few and far between then.

Not worth mentioning to imply that all those who speak of obedience are suffering from the same delusions.

 

[GEN2REV]

See my conversation with Michiah-Imla starting in post #39 from the link below.

1st problem with O.S.A.S.

I have also run across half a dozen or so others over the years on various Christian forum sites who have claimed to live a sinless life 100% of the time after their alleged conversions. They are few in number, but such people are out there.

You're just shoveling dog $4!7 again.

Quote the exact post from that thread where anybody claims to be 100% sinless or cease your lies.

 

[ScottA]

More of your "Christians can lie, steal, murder, worship demons, etc. and still go to heaven." total nonsense.

And this is just more of you misunderstanding that the things of God do not actually have a before, and after, but all things simply "are", just as He is "I am."

And you looking at everything from the worldly perspective of all things being revealed over time as one teaches a child, is a disservice. In other words, you being in the middle of the book thinking it's not finished...well, it's just foolishness, the thinking of men who really don't understand the things of God. You kick against the goads.

 

[GEN2REV]

And this is just more of you misunderstanding that the things of God do not actually have a before, and after, but all things simply "are", just as He is "I am."

And you looking at everything from the worldly perspective of all things being revealed over time as one teaches a child, is a disservice. In other words, you being in the middle of the book thinking it's not finished...well, it's just foolishness, the thinking of men who really don't understand the things of God. You kick against the goads.

You should've included the rest of my post you took that quote from.

It literally, all by itself, dismantled all that you have to say here.

The Bible says that dogs and pigs are those who return to their previous sins. It also tells us that dogs will be outside of the Kingdom. Thus, all of those who return to their previous sins (the sins that were already forgiven) will not be accepted into heaven.

This stuff is really not complicated.

Not to mention, if you're gonna be here supporting Behold much, I won't have to waste much effort discrediting anything else you have to say.

 

[ScottA]

You should've included the rest of my post you took that quote from.

It literally, all by itself, dismantled all that you have to say here.Not to mention, if you're gonna be here supporting Behold much, I won't have to waste much effort discrediting anything else you have to say.

Why do you equate dogs and pigs with Christ? Those who are saved are in Christ, whom said "It is finished." Would Christ return to his vomit?

You don't even know who it is you are speaking of.

Those words were to Israel. You are out of context.