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I wrote this as a bible study for GEN2REV.........and felt it needed a wider angle of view, so, here it is posted as a Thread for you.

"Sin" does not change.
God does not change.
Being born again does change everything, for the person.
What changes immediately IS = God's eternal perspective of the person who has become born again, and, the other things that change ::

1.) Under the Law

vs :

2.) Under Grace

Reader....When you are born again, Jesus has BECOME your sin bearer., and you have become, SPIRITUALLY, "the Righteousness of God in Christ".
This is the born again Spirit that Has become the SON/Daughter of God.
Obviously this is not your BODY, as your body is going to the Grave. And its not your mind as your mind has to be renewed.
So, the "born again part" that is the "SON/Daughter of God", is the BORN again SPIRIT.
See, When Adam fell, it was his SPIRIT that became separated from God.... not his Body.
SALVATION Through the CROSS<... is God bringing your spirit back into His SPIRIT, which is Himself...as ""God is A Spirit", by being Born again into the Spirit of God, by the Spirit of God.
See that, reader? That is SPIRITUAL UNION with God.
That is the BORN AGAIN Part becoming in spiritual union with God.......Its not your body or mind.. Its your SPIRIT, having become "ONE with God" and "God is A Spirit".

Now, BORN AGAIN = this is the part of you that is sinless, and kept sinless, as obviously there is no Sin in God, and if you're In God, "one with God", "In Christ", there is no SIN there where you EXIST as a SON/Daughter of God.

What about your body?
Your body is cursed, and will die.
Your Mind is TROUBLE, unless you learn to understand what i just showed you by FAITH, so that you understand the Distinction that God makes about the born again, which is, He only sees your Born again Spirit, as the REAL YOU, as this is now become a part of His Spirit., when you are born again.

Next..

The Born again... are YOU???? , If so you are not longer under the Law, as """Christ is the end of the Law"", for your righteousness.
He is Your Righteousness, and Christ is IN YOU when you are born again, and you remain spiritually connected to Christ's Righteousness, by being "IN CHRIST".. and the fact that God did this for you, is "The GIFT of Righteousness".

Now, when you read Romans 4:8.. Paul teaches us that God does not charge SIN to the born again.
It does not say your behavior will be perfect.
Why does God not charge SIN to the born again? Its because the part of you that is a born again Son, exists IN GOD, Spiritually, forever.
And, its because CHRIST has already been charged with your sin, so.... God will not charge you also.
God does not "double Judge". He does not Judge Jesus to DEATH for your sin on the Cross, then Judge you for them also, in Eternity, after you die.
This is why you meet God as your FATHER, and not as your Judge.

Now....What is "sin" for the born again, who are not defined any longer by the LAW, that use to have dominion over them, before they were born again, and could judge them as a sinner.
Its all on Christ. That's "what it has become"... Jesus is your SIN BEARER. And because this has happened, the Law does not have any dominion over the Born again, as they exist, as born again, in the Kingdom of God and there is no Moses Law found there.
Moses law is for SINNERS, down here on earth, Its #1 reason to exist is to show them that they need to be SAVED, and become a part of God's Spiritual Family.
The law and commandments are designed as a lifestyle boundary as their 2nd reason to exist. Their first and main reason the law and commandment's exist =is to show you that you are a sinner, needing to be forgiven, which you find as the Cross of Christ...... = Your redemption.

The born again now exist as. " You are not under the Law, but under GRACE".....and GRACE is the "law" of the Kingdom of God.

So, unbelievers who are "under the law" are judged by the law and defined as SINNERS.

THE BORN AGAIN, are not under the law, "But under Grace", and they are Only defined as a Son/Daughter of God.

Now, Gen2rev, you are trying to understand if im teaching "sinless perfection", but that is not a question you can ask and expect to understand the answer, as, to understand the sinlessness of a born again spirit, that exists eternally as "one with God" "In Christ" you have to understand what i just taught you. And because there are few Pauline Theologists like me left on this earth, you wont be finding this information in your church or in your commentaries, and that explains why i write posts and Threads, that read like they are a commentary.

Finally, or till your next question GEN2REV, that will be the same one, probably..... as you are trying to play "gotcha" instead of learning precious NT understanding that is so very rarely taught, anymore......as there are not many like me left.

Look carefully,
The born again are not under the law, nor are they defined by the law., as "Christ is the end of the law" for the Born again...which means God through Christ has made the born again, "the righteousness of God in Christ". and that is a GIFT, that is strictly related to being born again.
So, is there any "sin" in "the righteousness of God, in Christ" that is BECOME the Born again, Spirit?
No there is not., but that is a STATUS, as a Son of God, vs, being the idea of perfect behavior that can never make a mistake, regarding a body and a mind that are not born again.
 
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How do you get “born again”?

does Jesus remove all the affects of sin now in this life?
 

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How do you get “born again”?


Your spirit........not your body or mind.......but your SPIRIT,......becomes in UNION with God's Spirit.

= "Spiritual UNION". 'ONE with GOD"..... "IN Christ".

This happen when you give God your faith in Christ......and God accepts your FAITH, >ONCE = to then Give you HIS VERY RIGHTEOUSNESS, that is applied to you.
And now you are "made Righteous"....by "the Gift Of Righteousness"..

See that?
Now you have been MADE RIGHTEOUS.......by God.
Yet, this is not your body or your mind....
God..then births your MADE RIGHTEOUS Spirit into His, by the Holy Spirit, and that is to become "a new Creation in Christ'....Born again.

So, God forgives your sin, then Births you by His Spirit, into His Spirit, as "Born again".
You have now become a SON/Daughter OF GOD........made so by GOD.
And God will be faithful to complete you even more, by totally "conformed into the image of Jesus Christ", in the Rapture or after you die.

Philippians 1:6
 

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Your spirit........not your body or mind.......but your SPIRIT,......becomes in UNION with God's Spirit.

= "Spiritual UNION". 'ONE with GOD"..... "IN Christ".

This happen when you give God your faith in Christ......and God accepts your FAITH, >ONCE = to then Give you HIS VERY RIGHTEOUSNESS, that is applied to you.
And now you are "made Righteous"....by "the Gift Of Righteousness"..

See that?
Now you have been MADE RIGHTEOUS.......by God.
Yet, this is not your body or your mind....
God..then births your MADE RIGHTEOUS Spirit into His, by the Holy Spirit, and that is to become "a new Creation in Christ'....Born again.

So, God forgives your sin, then Births you by His Spirit, into His Spirit, as "Born again".
You have now become a SON/Daughter OF GOD........made so by GOD.
And God will be faithful to complete you even more, by totally "conformed into the image of Jesus Christ", in the Rapture or after you die.

Philippians 1:6

the rapture ain’t biblical

all that you said the Bible refers to baptismal regeneration

Effects of faith & baptism!

Ez 36:25-27 washed in baptism, with a new heart and the Spirit
Jn 3:5 born again in baptism
Mk 16:16 faith & baptism
Acts 2:38 repentance & baptism
Acts 8:36-38 faith & baptism
Acts 22:16 baptism washes away sin
Rom 6:3 died with Christ
Col 2:12 risen with Christ
1 cor 12:13 baptized into the church
Gal 3:27 by baptism put on Christ
2 Tim 1:10 brought to life
2 cor 5:17 new creation
Eph 1:13 sealed by the Holy Spirit
Eph 2:1&5 brought to life in baptism
Eph 4:5 one baptism
Eph 5:26 faith and baptism
Titus 3:5 baptismal regeneration
1 pet 1:2 washed in Christ’s blood
1 pet 2:9 and not the kingdom of light
1 pet 3:20-21 baptism saves us!

“Faith alone” accomplishes nothing!
1 cor 13:2 even all faith (alone) without charity avails NOTHING!!!

Faith and baptism!
 

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all that you said the Bible refers to baptismal regeneration

Baptismal Regeneration is a "cult of Mary" teaching.
Its taken from a heretic's book, that is a mistranslation of a verse in John 3.
This demonic book rewrites the words of Jesus, so that a totally cultic/demonic interpretation is presented.

This is verse 5. It should say....."Unless a man is born of water".... which is the natural childbirth, (being birthed).
Instead it says...."Unless a man be BORN AGAIN, by water".

see that? "BORN AGAIN BY water".

So, that Devil's lie tries to give WATER, the power of the Holy Spirit.
This is why the Catholic denomination is known also as a "'water cult'"
As it's GOD who causes the New Birth, and not WATER.
 

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I wrote this as a bible study for GEN2REV.........and felt it needed a wider angle of view, so, here it is posted as a Thread for you.

"Sin" does not change.
God does not change.
Being born again does change everything, for the person.
What changes immediately IS = God's eternal perspective of the person who has become born again, and, the other things that change ::

1.) Under the Law

vs :

2.) Under Grace

Reader....When you are born again, Jesus has BECOME your sin bearer., and you have become, SPIRITUALLY, "the Righteousness of God in Christ".
This is the born again Spirit that Has become the SON/Daughter of God.
Obviously this is not your BODY, as your body is going to the Grave. And its not your mind as your mind has to be renewed.
So, the "born again part" that is the "SON/Daughter of God", is the BORN again SPIRIT.
See, When Adam fell, it was his SPIRIT that became separated from God.... not his Body.
SALVATION Through the CROSS<... is God bringing your spirit back into His SPIRIT, which is Himself...as ""God is A Spirit", by being Born again into the Spirit of God, by the Spirit of God.
See that, reader? That is SPIRITUAL UNION with God.
That is the BORN AGAIN Part becoming in spiritual union with God.......Its not your body or mind.. Its your SPIRIT, having become "ONE with God" and "God is A Spirit".

Now, BORN AGAIN = this is the part of you that is sinless, and kept sinless, as obviously there is no Sin in God, and if you're In God, "one with God", "In Christ", there is no SIN there where you EXIST as a SON/Daughter of God.

What about your body?
Your body is cursed, and will die.
Your Mind is TROUBLE, unless you learn to understand what i just showed you by FAITH, so that you understand the Distinction that God makes about the born again, which is, He only sees your Born again Spirit, as the REAL YOU, as this is now become a part of His Spirit., when you are born again.

Next..

The Born again... are YOU???? , If so you are not longer under the Law, as """Christ is the end of the Law"", for your righteousness.
He is Your Righteousness, and Christ is IN YOU when you are born again, and you remain spiritually connected to Christ's Righteousness, by being "IN CHRIST".. and the fact that God did this for you, is "The GIFT of Righteousness".

Now, when you read Romans 4:8.. Paul teaches us that God does not charge SIN to the born again.
It does not say your behavior will be perfect.
Why does God not charge SIN to the born again? Its because the part of you that is a born again Son, exists IN GOD, Spiritually, forever.
And, its because CHRIST has already been charged with your sin, so.... God will not charge you also.
God does not "double Judge". He does not Judge Jesus to DEATH for your sin on the Cross, then Judge you for them also, in Eternity, after you die.
This is why you meet God as your FATHER, and not as your Judge.

Now....What is "sin" for the born again, who are not defined any longer by the LAW, that use to have dominion over them, before they were born again, and could judge them as a sinner.
Its all on Christ. That's "what it has become"... Jesus is your SIN BEARER. And because this has happened, the Law does not have any dominion over the Born again, as they exist, as born again, in the Kingdom of God and there is no Moses Law found there.
Moses law is for SINNERS, down here on earth, Its #1 reason to exist is to show them that they need to be SAVED, and become a part of God's Spiritual Family.
The law and commandments are designed as a lifestyle boundary as their 2nd reason to exist. Their first and main reason the law and commandment's exist =is to show you that you are a sinner, needing to be forgiven, which you find as the Cross of Christ...... = Your redemption.

The born again now exist as. " You are not under the Law, but under GRACE".....and GRACE is the "law" of the Kingdom of God.

So, unbelievers who are "under the law" are judged by the law and defined as SINNERS.

THE BORN AGAIN, are not under the law, "But under Grace", and they are Only defined as a Son/Daughter of God.

Now, Gen2rev, you are trying to understand if im teaching "sinless perfection", but that is not a question you can ask and expect to understand the answer, as, to understand the sinlessness of a born again spirit, that exists eternally as "one with God" "In Christ" you have to understand what i just taught you. And because there are few Pauline Theologists like me left on this earth, you wont be finding this information in your church or in your commentaries, and that explains why i write posts and Threads, that read like they are a commentary.

Finally, or till your next question GEN2REV, that will be the same one, probably..... as you are trying to play "gotcha" instead of learning precious NT understanding that is so very rarely taught, anymore......as there are not many like me left.

Look carefully,
The born again are not under the law, nor are they defined by the law., as "Christ is the end of the law" for the Born again...which means God through Christ has made the born again, "the righteousness of God in Christ". and that is a GIFT, that is strictly related to being born again.
So, is there any "sin" in "the righteousness of God, in Christ" that is BECOME the Born again, Spirit?
No there is not., but that is a STATUS, as a Son of God, vs, being the idea of perfect behavior that can never make a mistake, regarding a body and a mind that are not born again.

Jesus' one time sacrifice forever ended sin sacrifices, but it is not a free pass. Those who want salvation have to obey the law of the Christ to the best of their ability.
 

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Baptismal Regeneration is a "cult of Mary" teaching.
Its taken from a heretic's book, that is a mistranslation of a verse in John 3.
This demonic book rewrites the words of Jesus, so that a totally cultic/demonic interpretation is presented.

This is verse 5. It should say....."Unless a man is born of water".... which is the natural childbirth, (being birthed).
Instead it says...."Unless a man be BORN AGAIN, by water".

see that? "BORN AGAIN BY water".

So, that Devil's lie tries to give WATER, the power of the Holy Spirit.
This is why the Catholic denomination is known also as a "'water cult'"
As it's GOD who causes the New Birth, and not WATER.

it is God who does it!

Ez 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

A sacrament is an outward sign for all men including infants And a gift from God to help us see what he does inwardly and invisibly by his grace!

As grace Washes our souls in the merits of Jesus blood from original and personal sin, so the outward action of washing is visible!

without the outward action the inward action cannot take place!

Jn 3:5 Titus 3:5 water and washing
acts 22:16 wash away your sin!

Jn 3:5 Born again BY water and the spirit! Not by “faith alone”!

They did not go to Jerusalem and preach “accept Christ as you’re personal Lord and savior “

They went to the river (water) and they baptized! Jn 3:22

A covenant requires an outward sign of the inward action of grace!

Ez 36:25 I will sprinkle you with clean water and you shall be made white as snow.

Acts 22:16 washing away your sins.

1 pet 3:21 baptism saves you.


Baptism!

God breathed life into Adam, gen 2:7 and we received this life from our fathers!

Christ breathed on the apostles our spiritual fathers, we receive the new covenant life of God’s grace from them thru faith & baptism! Jn 20:21-23 Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38 eph 2

Born again! Born from above!

'The Father has set his seal' on Christ (John 6:27) and also seals us in him (cf. 2 Corinthians 1:22; Ephesians 1:23, 4:30). Because this seal indicates the indelible effect of the anointing with the Holy Spirit in the sacrament of Baptism,

Baptism indeed is the seal of eternal life." 87 The faithful Christian who I has "kept the seal" until the end, remaining faithful to the demands of his Baptism, will be able to depart this life "marked with the sign of faith," 88 with his baptismal faith, in expectation of the blessed vision of God - the consummation of faith - and in the hope of resurrection.

St. Paul tells the faithful at Ephesus that they have been “sealed with the promised Holy Spirit.” This is in terms of an indelible character imprinted on the soul in the sacraments of baptism and confirmation. It is not as if this invisible mark is simply decorative. Rather, through it, we are enabled to participate in Christ’s mission and in his offices of priest, prophet, and king. Eph 1:13

Sealed by God eph 1:13 sealed by God (ez 36:25-27) in the ark of salvation by baptism just as Noah was sealed by God in the ark of the flood gen 7:16

1 Pet 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
(Outside the ark of Noah none were saved, outside the church (the ark of salvation) none are saved!)

Sealed in the ark, sealed in the church the ark of salvation by God thru baptism!



Effects of faith & baptism!

Ez 36:25-27 washed in baptism, with a new heart and the Spirit
Jn 3:5 born again in baptism
Mk 16:16 faith & baptism
Acts 2:38 repentance & baptism
Acts 8:36-38 faith & baptism
Acts 22:16 baptism washes away sin
Rom 6:3 died with Christ
Col 2:12 risen with Christ
1 cor 12:13 baptized into the church
Gal 3:27 by baptism put on Christ
2 Tim 1:10 brought to life
2 cor 5:17 new creation
Eph 1:13 sealed by the Holy Spirit
Eph 2:1&5 brought to life in baptism
Eph 4:5 one baptism
Eph 5:26 faith and baptism
Titus 3:5 baptismal regeneration
1 pet 1:2 washed in Christ’s blood
1 pet 2:9 and not the kingdom of light
1 pet 3:20-21 baptism saves us!

“Faith alone” accomplishes nothing!
1 cor 13:2 even all faith (alone) without charity avails NOTHING!!!

Faith and baptism!

Scripture says none of the things about “Faith alone”!






“Faith alone”

Questions

where does scripture says we have died with Christ by “faith alone”?

Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

where does scripture say we are members of Christ and his church by “faith alone”?

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

where does scripture says we put on Christ by “faith alone”?

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Where does scripture say our sins are washed away by “faith alone”?

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

where does scripture say we are saved or justified by “faith alone”?

1 pet 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!

The only reference in scripture to “faith alone” is James 2:24 NOT BY “FAITH ALONE”?

Jn 3:5 born again by faith alone?

Where is “Accept Christ as your personal lord & savior” is not found in scripture?

They did not go preaching this line but went immediately to the river and baptized Jn 3:22

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Eph 4:5 one baptism

Why don’t it say one teeny tiny little act of “faith alone”???

When we first believed we are saved?

Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

How can salvation be nearer than when we first believed if you’re saved by believing?
 

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Jesus' one time sacrifice forever ended sin sacrifices, but it is not a free pass. Those who want salvation have to obey the law of the Christ to the best of their ability.


What you just stated is "here is how i earn my way to heaven".

So, the thing is....Salvation can't be a GIFT, if we have to earn it, work for it later, or keep it".
 

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What you just stated is "here is how i earn my way to heaven".

So, the thing is....Salvation can't be a GIFT, if we have to earn it, work for it later, or keep it".

grace is a gift but we must conform to it!
We must act on it!
Apply bit to our lives!

Phil 1:29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

How can this be?
 

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The Fulfillment of the Law
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
 

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The Fulfillment of the Law
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

Jesus fulfilled the law, on our behalf.
In doing this, he released us from the "dominion of the law" that is the "Curse of the law", because..."The LAW, is the power of SIN".

So, "where there is no law, (FULFILLED by JESUS) there is no TRANSGRESSION", as the Law can't JUDGE THE BORN AGAIN.
Why?
Its because we, exist where there is no Moses Law......We, the born again, are BORN AGAIN = into the Spirit of God, by the Spirit of God....and there is no Law of Moses In Heaven, or in the Spirit of God., where we exist.

This is why we are SPIRITUALLY BORN AGAIN, as "seated in Heavenly Places, in Christ".

This is why all the born again are....... "As JESUS IS.... So are the BORN AGAIN... in this WORLD".

We are IN CHRIST< ..>"new Creation"......SPIRITUALLY ..= "ONE WITH GOD".
And that READER, is how you are to understand yourself as a SON/Daughter of God.

God sees NOT Your body, or your behavior, or your mind........He SEES the BORN AGAIN YOU, as that is the real you, that is "ONE with GOD". "in Christ".
That is the YOU that is going to get the NEW BODY.
 

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@Behold I see that your house is built upon "being born again"

The Wise and Foolish Builders

24 “Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. 26 But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. 27 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash.”

28 When Jesus had finished saying these things, the crowds were amazed at his teaching, 29 because he taught as one who had authority, and not as their teachers of the law.
 

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@Behold I see that your house is built upon "being born again"

The Wise and Foolish Builders

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Yes.
If i was not born again, then i would not be "the Temple of the Holy Spirit"., nor would any believer.
And that means that "if you have not the Spirit of Christ in you, (Born again) you are NONE of HIS".

Romans 8:9

So, its possible to try to be like Christ, all the way to Hell.
Its possible to try to "follow Christ" all your life, and end up in the lake of Fire.

Its possible to cast out demons and call Jesus, LORD< and he tell you when you die..

= "Depart from me I never knew you".

Why? because you are not born again.

"You MUST be born again".

"Must"

Not a water baptized commandment keeping do gooder.........not that.

"you must be born again", if you want to go to heaven, and there is only one way there, .... John 14:6
 

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@Behold You say you need nothing because you are Born Again. I have noticed this in your posts among several threads.

To the Church in Laodicea
(14To the angel of the church in Laodicea write:

These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true Witness, the Originatore of God’s creation.

15I know your deeds; you are neither cold nor hot. How I wish you were one or the other! 16So because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to vomit you out of My mouth!

17You say, ‘I am rich; I have grown wealthy and need nothing.’ But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind, and naked. 18I counsel you to buy from Me gold refined by fire so that you may become rich, white garments so that you may be clothed and your shameful nakedness not exposed, and salve to anoint your eyes so that you may see. 19Those I love, I rebuke and discipline. Therefore be earnest and repent.

20Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in and dine with him, and he with Me. 21To the one who overcomes, I will grant the right to sit with Me on My throne, just as I overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.

22He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.
 

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@Behold You say you need nothing because you are Born Again.

The born again are joined to God, in Spiritual Union with God, ..."One with God".
They are forgiven, have eternal life, and are "seated in heavenly places, in Christ"...right now

Also, your verses are written to the 'ANGEL, of the Church of Laodicea".

Try reading the verse.

Also, note Vs 20.

It says that Jesus WILL come in....
Yet, He is already IN all the born again.
 

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Grace is God's Son on The Cross.
Salvation is God's Son on the Cross.

You dont DO THAT......you receive it. = "The Gift of Salvation"

Matthew 10:38
And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

Matthew 16:24
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

Phil 1:29
For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

faith alone? Nope

“Faith alone” accomplishes nothing!
1 cor 13:2 even all faith (alone) without charity avails NOTHING!!!
 

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What you just stated is "here is how i earn my way to heaven".

So, the thing is....Salvation can't be a GIFT, if we have to earn it, work for it later, or keep it".

The Bible clearly states that the "gift" that God gives is everlasting life, so you cannot earn it Be, but you likely realize that those who receive it are few Mat 7:14. Me personally I believe that works are necessary by capability Mat 7:21, time will tell if you are correct however. I will say I hope you are right to a great degree, but it simply doesn't match up with the Bible. I am curious however, why are you performing works by posting here? I definitely do not want to dissuade you in any way, as all Christians perform works, but if you believe them unnecessary, why do?
 
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Matthew 10:38
And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.


Your verse says "is not worthy of me"....Jesus said.

Well, none of us are worthy of Jesus.
NONE.

Also, its not the taking up of our discipleship that saves us, but rather its what Christ has accomplished on the Cross that God gives as "the Gift of Salvation" = is what saves us.