How Unique are You?

[Dave L]

Think about God's control over all, even the smallest particle. John in Revelation 13:8 says God wrote the names of the elect in the Book of Life before the foundation of the world. And science tells us each person is a combination of 1 in a million or so sperm cells coming into contact with 1 in a million or so ovum. Each at the right time and place under the right conditions. And that any different combination would result in a different person being born. This also aligns with the Traducian theory of procreation in the Bible.

And then, imagine every progenitor in your family tree being necessary for your existence. Had any single offspring along the way been different, all from that point on would be a different person. And you would not exist.

So in order for you to exist, each union of each sperm and ovum in your family tree must have fallen out precisely according to God's plan. Every free choice in marriage partners, including the events leading up to the moment of conception. Or every evil act as in the case of David and Bathsheba that ultimately produced Jesus. Or accidents, wars, diseases and violent deaths, and so on, must be under God's direct control. And all falling out according to his eternal decree for you to be reading this now.

 

[Episkopos]

We are all unique. But there are many spirits out there that people will invariably look to for support and help to bolster their weaknesses. So then people start acting and thinking the same way. Same spirit, same conformity.

In truth, people really don't want freedom...but prefer an illusion of freedom where difficult and uncomfortable decisions don't have to be made. People want to be numb...if not dumb.

 

[Dave L]

We are all unique. But there are many spirits out there that people will invariably look to for support and help to bolster their weaknesses. So then people start acting and thinking the same way. Same spirit, same conformity.

In truth, people really don't want freedom...but prefer an illusion of freedom where difficult and uncomfortable decisions don't have to be made. People want to be numb...if not dumb.

Interesting....

 

[Taken]

John in Revelation 13:8 says God wrote the names of the elect in the Book of Life before the foundation of the world.

Rev 13:8 does not say that.
You have your books mixed up.

Rev 13:
[8] And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Glory to God.
Taken

 

[Enoch111]

And all falling out according to his eternal decree for you to be reading this now.

What you are suggesting is that God has DECREED everything that occurs of earth. Which is untrue and untenable for the simply reason that God DOES NOT decree sin, evil, and wickedness. He allows it, but that is not the same thing.

The biggest fallacy promoted by Reformed Theology is the notion that God decrees -- predetermines -- everything that occurs on earth. If that were true, then God would be responsible for the millions of atrocities committed on this earth by evil men. AND THAT IS PURE NONSENSE.

Calvinists specialize in distorting the sovereignty of God, while leads to the false doctrine that God elects some for salvation and others for damnation. That contradicts the Gospel as well as the heart, mind, and character of God and Christ.

 

[Dave L]

What you are suggesting is that God has DECREED everything that occurs of earth. Which is untrue and untenable for the simply reason that God DOES NOT decree sin, evil, and wickedness. He allows it, but that is not the same thing.

The biggest fallacy promoted by Reformed Theology is the notion that God decrees -- predetermines -- everything that occurs on earth. If that were true, then God would be responsible for the millions of atrocities committed on this earth by evil men. AND THAT IS PURE NONSENSE.

Calvinists specialize in distorting the sovereignty of God, while leads to the false doctrine that God elects some for salvation and others for damnation. That contradicts the Gospel as well as the heart, mind, and character of God and Christ.

I'm not a Calvinist but follow Apostle Paul's understanding of predestination. In this I believe that every electron is exactly where God wanted it to be at any given time in his eternal plan. If he works all things after the council of his own will, how could it be otherwise?

 

[Dave L]

Rev 13:8 does not say that.
You have your books mixed up.

Rev 13:
[8] And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Glory to God.
Taken

“And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.” (Revelation 20:15) (KJV 1900)

“Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:” (Matthew 25:34) (KJV 1900)

“And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.” (Revelation 13:8) (KJV 1900)

“And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.” (Acts 13:48) (KJV 1900)

 

[Enoch111]

If he works all things after the council of his own will, how could it be otherwise?

Very simple. God decrees some things, but He ALLOWS many things. Eventually all things work after the council of His own will, since God sees the end from the beginning. That does not require Determinism or Predestination of everything. Foreknowledge is not the same as Predestination.

 

[Dave L]

Very simple. God decrees some things, but He ALLOWS many things. Eventually all things work after the council of His own will, since God sees the end from the beginning. That does not require Determinism or Predestination of everything. Foreknowledge is not the same as Predestination.

How does anything or anyone move under their own power apart from God? Only dead things match your description.

 

[Episkopos]

I'm not a Calvinist but follow Apostle Paul's understanding of predestination. In this I believe that every electron is exactly where God wanted it to be at any given time in his eternal plan. If he works all things after the council of his own will, how could it be otherwise?

There is a misunderstanding about God that He is unable to have His will AND allow people to do as they wish. Only God can arrange things whereby mankind has a liberty of action...leading to chaos...but which God uses to perfection. If He couldn't do this, He would not be God.

So then God's will is wrought through God...not every molecule doing God's will. God has a higher way.

 

[Dave L]

There is a misunderstanding about God that He is unable to have His will AND allow people to do as they wish. Only God can arrange things whereby mankind has a liberty of action...leading to chaos...but which God uses to perfection. If He couldn't do this, He would not be God.

So then God's will is wrought through God...not every molecule doing God's will. God has a higher way.

But Paul says God works ALL things after the council of his own will.

 

[Episkopos]

But Paul says God works ALL things after the council of his own will.

In the end, yes. But don't underestimate what God does to do that. The world is in rebellion against God. People have little or no faith. Yet God transcends our faults to bring about His glory. So even our sins....God can use to bring about His will. His ways are higher than our own.

 

[Dave L]

In the end, yes. But don't underestimate what God does to do that. The world is in rebellion against God. People have little or no faith. Yet God transcends our faults to bring about His glory. So even our sins....God can use to bring about His will. His ways are higher than our own.

How do I underestimate God by saying he is perfect? And that means he has perfect control over all.

 

[Taken]

“And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.” (Revelation 20:15) (KJV 1900)

“Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:” (Matthew 25:34) (KJV 1900)

“And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.” (Revelation 13:8) (KJV 1900)

“And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.” (Acts 13:48) (KJV 1900)

Quoting a list of Scriptures has nothing to do with your mixing of Gods RECORD BOOKS books.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Dave L]

Quoting a list of Scriptures has nothing to do with your mixing of Gods RECORD BOOKS books.

Glory to God,
Taken

So you think scripture is meaningless? Even if it gives details about the plan of salvation?

 

[Taken]

So you think scripture is meaningless?

I didn't say any such thing.

My comment was about you MIXING Gods Record BOOKS.

The list of Scriptures you listed had nothing to do with "YOU" mixing Gods Record Books.

Even if it gives details about the plan of salvation?

What does the plan of salvation have to do with YOU mixing Gods Record Books.?
Nothing.

Gods Record Books are DIFFERENT because they CONTAIN Information about Different things and Different People...

What does ^^^ THAT have to do with Gods plan of Salvation? Nothing.

When someone comments about something you claim....you come back with a list of random scriptures that have nothing to do with what you said.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Episkopos]

How do I underestimate God by saying he is perfect? And that means he has perfect control over all.

It doesn't go by control...but by transcendence. The devil still runs this world after all. But God is sovereign over it all.

 

[Waiting on him]

“And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.” (Revelation 20:15) (KJV 1900)

“Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:” (Matthew 25:34) (KJV 1900)

“And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.” (Revelation 13:8) (KJV 1900)

“And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.” (Acts 13:48) (KJV 1900)

That’s impossible to see!

 

[Waiting on him]

How do I underestimate God by saying he is perfect? And that means he has perfect control over all.

Oh no that would mean I don’t get the glory????

 

[Waiting on him]

There is a misunderstanding about God that He is unable to have His will AND allow people to do as they wish. Only God can arrange things whereby mankind has a liberty of action...leading to chaos...but which God uses to perfection. If He couldn't do this, He would not be God.

So then God's will is wrought through God...not every molecule doing God's will. God has a higher way.

Please explain Cyrus