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Discussion in 'Christian Theology Forum' started by GerhardEbersoehn, Sep 22, 2018.

  1. GerhardEbersoehn

    GerhardEbersoehn Well-Known Member

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    I believe: the Lord Jesus' coming again "in The Last Day", "in The Day of the LORD", "the day The Seventh Day Sabbath of the LORD GOD", "on The Lord's Day", "Sabbath-rest-day for the People of God", "That Day BONE Day" at the Resurrection, into eternal life or eternal damnation.

    Believe others: Oh no! That is time-setting!

    I answer them: And what if That Great Day of Sabbath were yesterday eight and quarter hours ago, 22/09 in the year of our Lord 2018? Because, according to WHAT I believe shall be the day that Christ shall come again, it could just as well have been yesterday; but now it had not been so that I keep on praying, "Come Lord Jesus! Quickly come!" and still believe He will return "on the Sabbath", "This Jesus the same Jesus whom we crucified, but God raised up CHRIST AND LORD" : "Son of Man Lord of the Sabbath"!


     
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    Man o man! By Jesus' own words GOD declared HIM, Jesus Christ "Son of Man", "the Son of God", "Lord-of-the-Sabbath" BY RESURRECTION FROM THE DEAD : "ON THE SABBATH".

    For Christ's sake, by WHAT else!?

    If God relinquished HIS Lordship of the Seventh Day Sabbath to the First Day of the week, He relinquished his Lordship; yea, abdicated from all Power His "by order of unconquerable LIFE".
     
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    Since the original sabbath was God's day of rest, this is highly unlikely, if not totally out of the question.

    Now had you said that Christ will return on the first day of the week (the true Lord's Day), that would be not only plausible, but more than likely.
     
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    Return to Me, and I will return to you
     
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    It is ~highly unlikely~, says mister Enoch111, ~God's day of rest~ will be the day of his return or the resurrection of the dead; ~if not totally out of the question~, says he. GIVING NO SCRIPTURE OR REASON.

    Now mister Enoch111 asserts that it ~would be not only plausible but more than likely~, that ~Christ will return on the first day of the week~ GIVING NO SCRIPTURE OR REASON but, GIVING NO SCRIPTURE OR REASON, claims ~the first day of the week~, is ~the true Lord's Day~ instead.

    Beautiful! Thank you, so much, for this beautiful illustration in frivolousness!
     
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    Yes! That's what I have said! Return to the Lord that which HE, gives, and demands, back!
     
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    sorry GE, but you are adding to the v, and i do not agree with your Jesus returning tomorrow scenario wadr

    Christ has never left us
    We are the Body of Christ
    Christ is either revealed, or stays concealed
    imo
     
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    I agree with the Church of the Living God of all time.
     
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    The Scriptural reason is plain for all to see.

    Christ will not violate His stated day of rest (Gen 2:3) to arise and return with power and great glory on that day. However since Christ arose on the first day of the week, He will also arise from His throne and return on that day (if that is His plan). For all we know, it could be any other day of the week.
     
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    ya, i'm the only sinner here i guess lol
     
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    God shall fulfil His in Genesis already Holy Sabbath Day of Covenant and Promise in Christ Jesus - Genesis 2:3 to 3:8-24, of Bringing about Covenant and Promise through Christ Jesus - Four NT Gospels, and of Finishing His Works of Redemption-Rest when He shall arise and "come in That Great and Terrible Day of the Lord" - Acts 2:20 with power and great glory, and it will be the Lord's Sabbath Day of Redemption and, of the judgement of the wicked - Isaiah 66:22-24, "Day the Selfsame BONE-Day Seventh Day God thus concerning spake" and of "THE EXCEEDING GREATNESS OF HIS POWER GOD WORKED, ENERGISED, EXERTED" HIMSELF TO DO "WHEN HE RAISED CHRIST FROM THE DEAD" and grip of DEATH and GRAVE.

    "THUS CONCERNING THE SEVENTH DAY SPAKE GOD ... BY THE SON:"
    1) "On the Seventh Day God ENDED FINISHED / COMPLETED / PERFECTED his WORKS He had DONE / WORKED" :
    2) "On the Seventh Day God RESTED from / because of ALL his LABOUR He had PUT IN / HAD WORKED, and WROUGHT" and TRIUMPHED in : So / therefore / accordingly
    3) "God BLESSED the Seventh Day; and
    4) SANCTIFIED the Seventh Day:--
    BECAUSE THAT IN IT HE RESTED from ALL, HIS, WORKS, which HE,
    had created, had wrought, had accomplished, had done, and had perfected...
    "ON THE SEVENTH DAY"...
    THROUGH CHRIST JESUS...
    WHO ROSE FROM THE DEAD:--
    "In the fullness of _HIS_ fulfilment of the Sabbath Day"! Matthew 28:1.

    But no, If this was God's modus operandi in and by and through Jesus Christ "the Son by (whom) God in these last days spake concerning the Seventh Day", according to man's vain opinion of his own opinion about what God's rest should be - like the sluggard's rest, doing nothing on the Sabbath -, God is the "violater" of Q~His own stated day of rest~Q.

    There is NO ~reason~ to be ~seen~ for God to be the Q~"violater" of Q~His own stated day of rest~Q in the Resurrection of Christ “late on the Sabbath” UNLESS Christ did not resurrect "according to the Scriptures", ON IT, but on Sunday the First Day of the week instead, against God's Written Word.
     
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    Little petunia in an onion patch... shame.
     
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    Or perhaps Poo Bear in the honey pot?
     
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    Christ returning at any moment is impossible.

    He said He would not return until Israel accepted Him (see Mt 23:39 below). Like one of my mentors used to say, "If Israel had accepted Christ during Christ's ministry or the Acts, the New Heavens and New Earth would now be about 1000 years old". However, this present parenthetical 2000 year all-Gentile period would not have happened and Christ would have returned in about 85AD (490 years from 405 BC, which is 7 weeks after 454 BC), according to the same mentor. Of course, without the present period, God wouldn't have filled the Holiest of All, Heavenly Places, where Christ sits at the right hand of God, with Gentile Saints, as found only in the doctrine in Paul's 7 post-Acts books.

    Also see Acts 3:19-21 and those verses saying John the Baptist would have been Elijah, had Israel accepted Christ.
    Matthew 23:39
    "For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord."

    Israel has not existed as a nation, in God's eyes, since 63AD, 1955 years ago, in Acts of the Apostles 28:25-28 . All Jews today are the same as Gentiles, in God's eyes. Therefore, Christ will not return until this 2000 year period is over with, about 2063, 45 years from now. Only then, will Israel be back on the scene as "My people" and only then will Israel, as a nation, be in a position to accept Him as their promised Messiah..

    Add onto that 45 years, the time it takes Elijah to come and restore ALL things and, the 7 years of tribulation. IF there is a pre-millennium separate Kingdom of Heaven, which, according to various advocates of this, could last from 9 years to 700 years, you'll have to add that on also.

    At a bare minimum, it will be 52 years, plus the time of Elijah's restoration, before Christ returns.

    I almost forgot this verse that must happen before Christ returns. This is the Great Commission which was given ONLY to the 12 Apostles (NEVER to today's Gentile Church) and has never been accomplished. The resurrected 12 will evangelize the nations before the return of Christ. See Mk 13:5-27 for all that will happen first. Most involves the tribulation.
    Mark 13:10
    And the gospel must first be published among all nations. (before Christ returns - vs 26)
     
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    Christiaan Gerhardus Ebersöhn

    No plan or purpose or ideal of God's ever got thwarted or frustrated or postponed but ever got fulfilled on time.
     
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    'Never accomplished' says who? Ac28, not God, not Christ, no Scripture!
     
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    Provide scripture that says they accomplished it.
     
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    You can't provide scripture that shows that they ever started it, let alone finish it. The Great Commission was to teach every creature and I must assume that includes Gentiles. The only Gentile any of the 12 ever ministered to, in the Gospels and Acts, was Cornelius, in Acts 10. by Peter, for the sole purpose of paving the way for Paul's ministry. Peter obviously hated every minute of it - it took 3 visions to get him to do it.

    The Great Commission was given to the 12 (actually, 11 at that time) and to no one else. Certainly NOT to today's church. When it is finally accomplished, it will be done by the resurrected 12. Through Acts 12, there is little information about the 12 going anywhere. After Acts 12, most everything was about Paul. The goal during the entirety of Acts was NOT the great Commission and it was NOT to start a church. The ONLY goal was to convince Israel, as a nation, to repent and accept Christ. Why? Because Christ said in Matthew 23:39 , that He would not return until He was accepted by Israel. That also means that Israel's earthly Kingdom of Heaven would be postponed until Israel repented. The ONLY PUSH in Acts was to convince Israel to repent. The gifts of the Spirit were given because Israel requires signs. The Gentiles were allowed in to provoke Israel to jealousy, so they might repent. Everybody went to the Jew first, even Paul, the apostle to the Gentiles.

    Had Israel repented in the Gospels or Acts, the New Heavens and New Earth would be about 1000 years old. Of course, the present day Gentile church would have never existed and the Gentiles would still be second class citizens (dogs, they were called), with no blessings at all of their own, from God, as their situation was from Gen 12 through the end of Acts, about 2000 years. Also, had Israel repented, today's Gentile church wouldn't have the Calling of spending eternity in the Highest Heaven, where Christ sits at the right hand of God, Ephesians 1:20 (Christ), Ephesians 2:6 (Us - same place). Today's Gentile church, found ONLY in Paul's 7 epistles written AFTER Acts, are the only people in the Bible to have a Hope of Heaven. Nothing in those other 59 all-Jewish is TO us, ABOUT is, or tells us anything about our future. Eph, Phil, Col, 1&2Tim, Titus, and Philemon are the only books in the Bible that are TO us, ABOUT us, and can tell us about our incredible future, which is infinitely better than anything ever given to Israel.

    By the way, the Gentiles were never the people of God until Acts was over (1955 years ago) and Israel was set aside and haven't been God's people since, according to the prophecy in Hosea 1:9 and most all of Hosea. They will be Ammi, God's people, again, in about 45 more years The Gentiles have NEVER been under any part of the Law, nor have they ever been under the old or new covenants. Now, the first time we Gentiles have EVER been God's chosen people, we are under pure Grace. That means we are not under any laws or ordinances. Grace is the exact opposite of the works of the law. They can't co-exist.
     
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    Great Commission
    To the nations - A time yet to come

    Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

    To Individuals
    Mar 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel (the glad tidings of salvation through Christ- Strong’s) to every creature.
    Col 1:23 . . . the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;


    Preaching the gospel to every creature was, and is being accomplished in the name of Jesus.
    Acts 2:38, Act 10:48, Col 3:17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus . .

    How?
    What has been dubbed as the great commission in Matthew is to be in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, and will be accomplished during the Lord’s Day (Millennium).
     
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    Excellent!!! You said it much better (and simpler) than I did.
     
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