I can't seem to find where....

[afaithfulone4u]

it says that these positions in the body of Christ are for men only. But I do see that the body of Christ is not to be called just Jew or Gentile, nor male or female for we are all one new man in Christ.
Eph 4:11-16
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.
KJV
Many make the mistake of thinking that God's love means say what is convenient, when in reality it means Truth for ones own good.

Gal 3:27-29
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ HAVE put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
KJV

 

[mjrhealth]

Act_2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
Act_2:18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

In teh beggining is was men only after Jesus, anything goes.

In All His Love

 

[KingJ]

Many make the mistake of thinking that God's love means say what is convenient, when in reality it means Truth for ones own good.

And many only quote the scripture they like. My friend, you must take your scripture quoted, mjrhealths and add verses like 1 Tim 2:12. Take the whole truth and chew on it for a while. The truth will become clear.

 

[mjrhealth]

Limiting God again, Oh God if its not in this book its not possible, sometimes I wonder if Jesus died just so men could argue over the words in a book. Why is God not doing anything, it is because men keep making up rules to stop Him.

God uses whom He chooses, could care less what you believe. except it is what you believe or dont believe that limits Him in your Life. God created the heavens and the earth. even man, yet man still believes he invented God.
In All His Love

 

[williemac]

I happen to know a woman pastor. She was previously involved a ministry for many years singing with a group and preaching the gospel to inmates in jail. Through her passion for the youth in her community, many have come to the faith from broken and dysfunctional homes. Her main gift is to encourage and inspire through her preaching. With a background in councelling, she is a natural at it. She leads a joint service between a denominational and a non denominational church. How often does that happen? Nowadays, people are being saved through this church on a regular basis.

By the way, she went to bible school and got her degree, which brings up an important point. It would seem that those who teach the bible and run seminaries have no problem with women in ministry. I will admit that not everyone who leads is in their calling, but in this case, this woman is bearing much fruit in Christ and exceeds her potential. It is rather obvious that God is blessing her and anointing her in what she is doing.

I would conclude from these kinds of testimonies that Paul taught what he taught in relation to the culture of the day, the way that women were considered and treated back then. But He did say that he himself was all things to all people, allowing for adjustments according to cultural differences. Women have a different place and role in our society than way back then (for the most part). Right or wrong, it is the way it is, and the masses still need reaching for Jesus.

Opinion is one thing, but I think that if God is allowing and blessing something, then we had better be thinking twice about criticizing or condemning it.

 

[KingJ]

Limiting God again, Oh God if its not in this book its not possible, sometimes I wonder if Jesus died just so men could argue over the words in a book. Why is God not doing anything, it is because men keep making up rules to stop Him.

God uses whom He chooses, could care less what you believe. except it is what you believe or dont believe that limits Him in your Life. God created the heavens and the earth. even man, yet man still believes he invented God.
In All His Love

Limits lol, the irony is so thick. We must accept all scripture with no limits, otherwise we are no better then the devil in Matthew 4, quoting half truths.

 

[101G]

2 KingJ, GINOLJC

the scripture you referred to, 1 Timothy 2:11 "Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection 12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression".

this scripture and the one in 1 Corinthians 14:34 "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law". have been taken out of context way too long. lets get a better understanding of both scriptures. I 'm not saying you're wrong or right, but consider this. the word "Woman" used here in both verses is referring to wives, and not to every woman in the churches. lets research the word woman and understand the word.

according to Mickelson's Enhanced Strong's Greek and Hebrew Dictionaries
WOMAN: G1135 γυνή gune (goo-nay') n.
1. a woman
2. (specially) a wife
[probably from the base of G1096]
KJV: wife, woman

look at definition #2 please. (specially) a wife. and the KJV can translate either wife, or woman. so it depends on the context. lets look at the context.
the context is about speaking a prophetic word in the churches "without confusion", (see verse 29-33). for God is not the author of confusion. this is the context. now what was the problem?, speaking in turns, re-read the scriptures. now the bases of the context is confusion. why?, because husbands was getting up saying one thing, and afterward their wives was getting up, "IN TURN", saying something else on the same prophetic word, hence confusion. now the apostle Paul step in and reminded the whole congregation that obedience to God's word starts at home first. meaning according to the Law, Husbands are to teach their own wive at HOME first as to what they know or have been revealed to them before they come into the church of God. so that they could be on ONE ACCORD, and say the same thing. can this context answer be supportive by the scriptures?. YES, just read the very next verses in both scriptures in each book and it will be proven out.

Lets start with 1 Corinthians 14:34 "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law". now the very next verse proves it out. listen, 1 Corinthians 14:35 "And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church". BINGO, let them, them who?, answer wives. how do we know that it is wives that the apostle is talking about?. answer, the only women who have a husband is a WIFE. so the apostle was not talking to all the women in the churches, only wives, for they, THEM WOMEN, have husbands.

is this the same for 1 Timothy 2:11 "Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection 12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression". it is the exact same word as in 1 Corinthians 14:34, G1135 γυνή gune (goo-nay') n. 1. a woman 2. (specially) a wife. now the question, can we prove (by scripture) as in 1 Corinthians 14 that this is talking about wives, YES, verse 15. 1 Timothy 2:15 "Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety". question, what is the only woman, (legally mind you) who bare children?, that's right a MARRIED WOMAN, better known as a WIFE. Simply prove by scripture, notice he said THEY, (meaning more that ONE, WIVES). only if we do our homework, break down words and let the Lord Jesus reveal them to you. just as charity begins at home, so do church etiquette. Ecclesiastes 5:1 "Keep thy foot when thou goest to the house of God, and be more ready to hear, than to give the sacrifice of fools: for they consider not that they do evil".

Love and Peace
101G.

 

[afaithfulone4u]

If you think about it the church as a whole unit is the Woman who feeds her spiritual children the Word of God to help them grow and mature from spiritual babes unto sons who can handle the meat of the Word till they reach the fullness in Christ who is the Head of his body.

So, if men believe they are the bride of Christ....yet they are not....but if they do, then they are women too!

New Jerusalem is the bride and wife of the Lamb and the holy actions of the children are what make the bride a faithful wife for she is responsible to teach her children to obey the Head of the household being The Father.

Adam was created in one body both male and female attributes for He was made in the image of God who must be All things of origination. Jesus is called the LAST Adam not the second Adam or the third but he Last Adam and his body will be also male and female members in the ONE NEW MAN.

Heb 5:12-14
12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
KJV
Col 2:6-11
6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:
7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.
8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
KJV

 

[101G]

2 Corinthians 5:14 "For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again. 16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more. 17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new".

Love and Peace
101G

 

[afaithfulone4u]

Agree 101G,
We are not to have idolatrous man made statues of Jesus saying they are images of God to worship not only because we have no true images of Jesus, But no man has seen the Father except The Word himself. Jesus is the Eternal Living Word of God that the Father uses to create all things with and by. He is the Word that proceeded from the Father's mouth and became flesh as our Bread of life. He is the Light of Men When God said let there be light, That Light was His Word "Jesus" THE CHRIST who IS the Right hand of God that the Father uses to create with His spoken WORD. The sun and moon were not created until the 4th day.
Col 1:15-19
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16 For by him{THE WORD of life} were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
KJV

1 John 1:1-3
1:1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
2(For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)
3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
KJV

 

[101G]

2 afaithfulone4u, GE
true, sister we know that an Idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one. For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. so, have not all thing have been put under his feet, NO, Hebrews 2:8 "Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him". not all men have this knowledge. there are still men who flight is in winter, just as our Lord have said. Amen.


speaking of flight, I notice you end your conversation with this. Dan 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro (TRANSPORTATION), and knowledge shall be increased (TECHNOLOGY).



to run to and fro, you use the word transportation, I'm not sure how you're using this term. can you enlighten me please?. thanks in advance.

Love and Peace
101G

 

[afaithfulone4u]

2 afaithfulone4u, GE
true, sister we know that an Idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one. For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. so, have not all thing have been put under his feet, NO, Hebrews 2:8 "Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him". not all men have this knowledge. there are still men who flight is in winter, just as our Lord have said. Amen.


speaking of flight, I notice you end your conversation with this. Dan 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro (TRANSPORTATION), and knowledge shall be increased (TECHNOLOGY).



to run to and fro, you use the word transportation, I'm not sure how you're using this term. can you enlighten me please?. thanks in advance.

Love and Peace
101G

Greetings 101G,
True, There is one Father... One Word/Son... One Spirit and they 3 are one God for the Word is Spirit and so is the Father they are the 3 in heaven that agree.
If we can believe that the Spirit can speak to someone and is God, we must also know that the Word/Son is God as well. The Spirit is known as the Spirit of life and Jesus is the Word of life.
1 Cor 15:28
28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
KJV

John 6:63
63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
KJV
Acts 8:29
29 Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.
KJV

The reason that every knee shall bow and be under The Christ's feet is because all will obey THE WORD in the end.

Run To and fro is what we do, we not only run to find out knowledge from many sources such as internet, media, satellite, but we also have created transportation that takes us to and fro anywhere on the earth where it took days, weeks, months even years to get to a place, we now cat get there is minutes, hours and days due to the knowledge that has increased to create cars, planes, jets. In fact we have exalted ourselves up to God's Throne by creating space craft that takes us into God domain as if we are God.
God gave man dominion of the earth... not of His universe!

But that is how we know that we are in the last days, for only in this last 100 years have be been given this knowledge that will destroys us eventually, for had we had it ahead of time, we would have blown ourselves us with the nuclear bombs before God's harvest time. God is not a fortune teller, He wrote the Book and has told us the end from the beginning and His Word does not return void : )