Identity Change

[soul man]

I believe the Lord is serious about identity change,. If you are willing to carry the baggage of the old man through life and more importantly into your new life then it has become a serious issue for our Father. Those that can change should, all the tools so to speak are available to you the moment you believed. We have the HolySpirit as our teacher, we have the God head bodily dwelling in the believing, and above all we have the bruised and bloody cross where Jesus willingly sacrificed his life for mankind, and God the Father gave for us His only begotten Son.

The body of Christ has no excuse to be disheveled and displaced, disgruntled by the world. Have you ever seen those so negative you really did not want to be around them. What is that? Why can't they cope with life? They have never made the change. Oh they have changed from being so worldly to being religious, but there has never been an identity change. Identity change is made by you understanding it is nolonger you doing the living. Understand, when I make a statement such as; I don't know if I can pay my bills and feed my family and just simply survive in this world the way things are.

Have you ever considered the fact it may be that you are still in training, being taught the things of your Father. Your Father will always take care of you one way or another, but if your mind has not been given to identity change you will stay in the schoolhouse. Don't feel to bad, we all go through the same thing, the same training if you will, but identity change allows you to see and go through things differently and the C and S gang (circumstances and situations) do not have the same effect on you.

That is Philippians 3, the identity change Paul went through. He had a wonderful back ground but suffered the loss of it. He was of the right tribe, educated, a rabbi, and a lawyer. He counted to all dung, that is powerful. You have to be careful and not view the bible writers like they are gods. They were human beings like you and I with all their weaknesses and faults and failures.

But spiritually they became new beings, understanding Christ in a way the Father intended, and that became their life, nothing else mattered. Read Paul's what I call awful list of what he went through, it just didn't matter.

 

[bbyrd009]

hating your life, your family, these are pretty hard things to actually put into practice i guess
nice op imo sm :)

 

[amadeus]

@soul man

When I read this I was reminded of something I wrote a couple of years ago on another forum. I may also have shown it in this forum before but it would still seem appropriate for me to show it again in connection with your OP. First to help anyone unfamiliar with them I will show the meanings of the two names according to Strongs:

bq[y Ya`aqob (yah-ak-obe'); Proper Name Masculine, Strong #: 3290

Jacob = "heel holder" or "supplanter"

1. son of Isaac, grandson of Abraham, and father of the 12 patriarchs of the tribes of Israel

larXy Yisra'el (yis-raw-ale'); Proper Name Masculine, Strong #: 3478

Israel = "God prevails"

1. the second name for Jacob given to him by God after his wrestling with the angel at Peniel
2. the name of the descendants and the nation of the descendants of Jacob
   1. the name of the nation until the death of Solomon and the split
   2. the name used and given to the northern kingdom consisting of the 10 tribes under Jeroboam; the southern kingdom was known as Judah
   3. the name of the nation after the return from exile

Quite a long time ago now it caught my attention that after Jacob received his new name of Israel, much of the time in scripture he was still addressed by Jacob. So I decided to count the number of Jacobs and the number of Israels in scripture. It amazed me that in spite of the change by God, the use of Jacob in the book of Genesis while he still lived was greater than the use of his new name of Israel. I did a quick search in computer which has tons of my writings and studies over the years, but was unable to find my early results. So I counted them again using both my computer and my hardback Strong's. [The computer only is able in my program to provide a chapter total: no partial chapters.]

Jacob was first mentioned in Gen 25:26. Jacob was last mentioned in Gen 50:24.
Israel was first mentioned in Gen 32:28. Israel was last mentioned in Gen 50:25

The word Jacob was used 181 times in the whole Book of Genesis.
The word Jacob was used 70 times in Gen 32:28 to 50:26 when the other name had also been given.
The word Israel was used 40 times in Gen 32:28 to 50:26.

The word Jacob was used 196 times from Exodus to Revelation.
The word Israel was used 2533 times from Exodus to Revelation.

The word Jacob was used 377 times in the whole Bible.
The word Israel was used 2576 times in the whole Bible.

The reason I separated from the rest of the Bible in my counts is that the man, Jacob/Israel died in the Book of Genesis.

It had occurred to me the first time as it does now that in spite of a glorious reason for giving the new name the old name was used so much more while the man still lived. Could it be that God realized that the man in spite of a notable promise of things to come was still so much in his old nature rather than the new throughout most of his life even after receiving the new name? Thus in the inspiration given to the writers, Jacob still was dominant while he drew natural breath, at least until toward the end. Only after his death did the name of Israel prevail so heavily against Jacob and then most of the time it was referring to a nation rather than a single man.

It does provide food for thought, doesn't it?

 

[bbyrd009]

For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners

 

[soul man]

It does provide food for thought, doesn't it?

Yes it does. At one time I could not preach-teach from the New Testament, the Old had most of the information I believed we needed as Christians
I enjoyed it more, the stories and how God used people and all the exploits it contained. My first message I ever preached was out of Ezekiel, how he took the scroll and ate it. I'll never forget shaking in my boots delivering a five minute message. For some reason as a new believer the Old Testament just had it, it appealed. The way God was portrayed and how he handled things. The only thing about the Old testament is we never get to see God in all his fatherly attributes, he was a father but only had one begotten son who had yet to make his earthly appearance as "the first born among many brethren" Romans 8:29

 

[GodsGrace]

hating your life, your family, these are pretty hard things to actually put into practice i guess
nice op imo sm :)

bb, Jesus didn't mean you have to hate anybody!
Wasn't his message about love?

It means that we're to love HIM MORE than our parents or anyone else.
If we love HIM,,,then our other relationships will be whole.

 

[JohnPaul]

Funny when I first read the title of this thread I thought it was about transgenders or transsexuals, something that seems to be big now and how these people are ultimately defying God.

Getting back to the original post, I need to change my identity, I need to be stronger and the only way I can do that is through belief in God, I am not weak because I need Gods help, but strong because I believe and love God the father and his only begotten son our Lord Savior Jesus Christ, and through that belief I can never fail, but only accomplish. God will never abandon me, my strength is through him and our Lord Jesus.

The Father, Son and the Holy Spirit is not a crutch that holds me up, but a tripod of the living force that keeps me up and I persevere anything and everything with the Holy Trinity.

Amen.

 

[bbyrd009]

bb, Jesus didn't mean you have to hate anybody!
Wasn't his message about love?

It means that we're to love HIM MORE than our parents or anyone else.
If we love HIM,,,then our other relationships will be whole.

ya GG, i have read the brochure, ok lol. I doubt you would find a single person on earth who doesnt agree with "love?" The term has been abused to death imo, like we're all Imelda Marcos or something? See the "Christian" guy/plant on The Bachelorette loves love, too, right? Love is packaged and sold as a commodity to us now, and we drop bombs in the name of Love.

 

[amadeus]

Yes it does. At one time I could not preach-teach from the New Testament, the Old had most of the information I believed we needed as Christians
I enjoyed it more, the stories and how God used people and all the exploits it contained. My first message I ever preached was out of Ezekiel, how he took the scroll and ate it. I'll never forget shaking in my boots delivering a five minute message. For some reason as a new believer the Old Testament just had it, it appealed. The way God was portrayed and how he handled things. The only thing about the Old testament is we never get to see God in all his fatherly attributes, he was a father but only had one begotten son who had yet to make his earthly appearance as "the first born among many brethren" Romans 8:29

What a mighty God we serve!

In my first year at Junior College [1966] I purposely enrolled in a speech class, not because it had anything to do with my major, but because I was scared to death when it came to talking in front of people. I hope to force myself past that. It did not work, but I surprised myself when I got an A for the speech. The grade for content, however, rather than because I was calm, cool and collected. On the contrary, I, like you, was literally shaking in my boots. Although I had notes I did not use them because I could not focus on the paper. Fortunately, knowing my fear, I learned my subject very well so as to hopefully forget my anxiety. [I spoke about dolphins and the most current studies about their intelligence.]. When the class was finished my problem was not solved but I had taken a step in the right direction.

The first time I stood in a church setting several years later to speak of the things of the Lord, the words simply flowed out of me. Problem solved? No, it was because God was giving me the words and He had me by the hand. On the outside, that is outside of the things of God, I still would shake like a leaf when speaking before people. That's all gone now, but inside I still relate to it. I'll never forget my own past troubles with this when I hear about or see someone else dealing with a similar difficulties.

 

[GodsGrace]

ya GG, i have read the brochure, ok lol. I doubt you would find a single person on earth who doesnt agree with "love?" The term has been abused to death imo, like we're all Imelda Marcos or something? See the "Christian" guy/plant on The Bachelorette loves love, too, right? Love is packaged and sold as a commodity to us now, and we drop bombs in the name of Love.

I don't know the bachelorette. I have a feeling this is a good thing.
Rage in the Machine...I get it, but I can't listen to this mad music.
They must have gotten the hate out of their system because I don't hear much of it anymore....except hip hop...it picked up where they left off.

As to love, I agree.
I though YOU brought it up...
No problem.

 

[GodsGrace]

ya GG, i have read the brochure, ok lol. I doubt you would find a single person on earth who doesnt agree with "love?" The term has been abused to death imo, like we're all Imelda Marcos or something? See the "Christian" guy/plant on The Bachelorette loves love, too, right? Love is packaged and sold as a commodity to us now, and we drop bombs in the name of Love.

You know bb,,,,
You're absolutely 100% right.

I start a conversation with someone...
and Poof! before you know it the conversation ends with not even a good bye.

So what's the use of posting I ask?
There is none.

 

[bbyrd009]

You know bb,,,,
You're absolutely 100% right.

I start a conversation with someone...
and Poof! before you know it the conversation ends with not even a good bye.

So what's the use of posting I ask?
There is none.

ha you get plenty of engagement if you talk about cats though :)

 

[bbyrd009]

 

[amadeus]

You know bb,,,,
You're absolutely 100% right.

I start a conversation with someone...
and Poof! before you know it the conversation ends with not even a good bye.

So what's the use of posting I ask?
There is none.

What is the use? Where is our witness for God? Only in those to whom we are speaking... or do not others nearby sometimes overhear and respond to God? Then again on a forum like this even a person who responds negatively may later respond positively to God:

"But what think ye? A certain man had two sons; and he came to the first, and said, Son, go work to day in my vineyard.
He answered and said, I will not: but afterward he repented, and went.
And he came to the second, and said likewise. And he answered and said, I go, sir: and went not.
Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you." Matt 21:28-31

 

[soul man]

In my first year at Junior College [1966] I purposely enrolled in a speech class

I had speak as well in jr high and creative writing. I didn't even know what that meant they were just filler classes. The teachers is what I remember they were great.

 

[GodsGrace]

What is the use? Where is our witness for God? Only in those to whom we are speaking... or do not others nearby sometimes overhear and respond to God? Then again on a forum like this even a person who responds negatively may later respond positively to God:

"But what think ye? A certain man had two sons; and he came to the first, and said, Son, go work to day in my vineyard.
He answered and said, I will not: but afterward he repented, and went.
And he came to the second, and said likewise. And he answered and said, I go, sir: and went not.
Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you." Matt 21:28-31

You know A, I put time into my replies. It's rather disconcerting to engage in a coversation with someone and then they just disappear.

Or, I ask a question and it never gets answered.
Manners has a lot to do with this. I'm not saying I never missed a post, but I make an effort to reply to each one.

It's only right.
I think we should pay more attention to each other.

 

[JohnPaul]

You know A, I put time into my replies. It's rather disconcerting to engage in a coversation with someone and then they just disappear.

Or, I ask a question and it never gets answered.
Manners has a lot to do with this. I'm not saying I never missed a post, but I make an effort to reply to each one.

It's only right.
I think we should pay more attention to each other.

The alert system is not working, sometimes I have to go looking for the threads I post in.

I know this is not directed at me, in case I don't reply, it's because I don't get an alert.

 

[GodsGrace]

The alert system is not working, sometimes I have to go looking for the threads I post in.

I know this is not directed at me, in case I don't reply, it's because I don't get an alert.

Well, this is very bad news indeed.
Sometimes when the topic is serious, I'll put even 30 minutes into a post with scripture.

I hope the mods see this....

 

[JohnPaul]

Well, this is very bad news indeed.
Sometimes when the topic is serious, I'll put even 30 minutes into a post with scripture.

I hope the mods see this....

I guess if your addressing someone, you have to use the @ icon in front of their name, to be sure they get it.

 

[amadeus]

You know A, I put time into my replies. It's rather disconcerting to engage in a coversation with someone and then they just disappear.

Or, I ask a question and it never gets answered.
Manners has a lot to do with this. I'm not saying I never missed a post, but I make an effort to reply to each one.

It's only right.
I think we should pay more attention to each other.

I do hear what you are saying. Your effort is appreciated by me and others certainly even if perhaps not sometimes by the particular person you are addressing. Unfortunately, this happens in this world because who people are or who they are not.