If Christian Universalism is true, what's the point in evangelism?

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St. SteVen

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Your teachers are liars. Jesus in the gospels and Revelation make it undeniably clear that man does have an immortal soul and there is eternal torment.
That's worth discussing.
Is that the best way to frame the idea that humans continue life after their physical body has died? (immortal soul)

Leave the JWs girl or you will find out the truth the hard way
What are you claiming?
That JWs aren't saved? Or are hell-bound?

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That's worth discussing.
Is that the best way to frame the idea that humans continue life after their physical body has died? (immortal soul)


What are you claiming?
That JWs aren't saved? Or are hell-bound?

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Yes they are hell-bound.. And I am not saying that to sound superior- its just a statement of fact
 
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St. SteVen

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Yes they are hell-bound.. And I am not saying that to sound superior- its just a statement of fact
Okay.
How did you arrive at that conclusion?

A religious cult is easy to identify. They attend the church across the street from your church.
And they feel the same way about you. Where does that get us?

Build bridges, not walls.


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Okay.
How did you arrive at that conclusion?

A religious cult is easy to identify. They attend the church across the street from your church.
And they feel the same way about you. Where does that get us?

Build bridges, not walls.


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JWs are heretics who deny the divinity of Jesus Christ and deny eternal damnation. Two important matters that you must accept to be saved. When will you understand that you cannot build bridges with heretics unless they repent?
 
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JWs are heretics who deny the divinity of Jesus Christ and deny eternal damnation. Two important matters that you must accept to be saved. When will you understand that you cannot build bridges with heretics unless they repent?
Since when is a person's doctrine on the deity of Christ and the final judgement a salvation issue?


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St. SteVen

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There are things that you arent required to accept for salvation, like the pre-trib Rapture....and things that are absolutely non negotiable. 1 John 4 clearly states that if you do not accept Jesus as "come in the flesh"- meaning that He is God made flesh then you have the spirit of antichrist. And when the bible clearly spells out His divinity and the consequences of denying Him and you choose to call that a lie, you do not have God within you. You are not saved and you are destined for eternal torment

This building bridges of yours is universalist nonsense
Where is the rule against discussion of the Trinity. I can't find it.


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St. SteVen

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... when the bible clearly spells out His divinity and the consequences of denying Him and you choose to call that a lie, you do not have God within you. You are not saved and you are destined for eternal torment
Were does the Bible clearly spell out Christ's divinity and the consequences of denying Him? (his deity)
How can I choose to call that a lie when it isn't even biblical?

And how would you know if I have God within me, or am not saved, and are destined for eternal torment? - LOL
All that based on doctrinal differences? (tribalism)

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There are things that you arent required to accept for salvation, like the pre-trib Rapture....and things that are absolutely non negotiable. 1 John 4 clearly states that if you do not accept Jesus as "come in the flesh"- meaning that He is God made flesh then you have the spirit of antichrist. And when the bible clearly spells out His divinity and the consequences of denying Him and you choose to call that a lie, you do not have God within you. You are not saved and you are destined for eternal torment

This building bridges of yours is universalist nonsense
Building bridges , finding common ground , interfaith is of anti christ and has come
to merge all as ONE under a lie . IT has heavily infected a lot of places within christendom .
 

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If Christian Universalism is true, what's the point in evangelism?​

Does this card work in Purgatory too?

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amigo de christo

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JWs are heretics who deny the divinity of Jesus Christ and deny eternal damnation. Two important matters that you must accept to be saved. When will you understand that you cannot build bridges with heretics unless they repent?
WHAT i say to one i say to all .
Either one is of the seed that GOD planted into the ground and from that seed the root came
and from that root did the tree grow upwards and from that tree came The fruit worthy of GOD
and that fruit did honor GOD ,proving what was acceptable to HIM .
From the root to the fruit the TREE IS known by its fruits .
and all who are partakers of the seed PLANTED BY GOD , WHICH IS JESUS THE CHRIST
WHO came forth of GOD , will bear fruit which is GOOD and pleasing to GOD .
but many are of another tree . Its planting was NOT OF GOD
and though that tree do grow massive too , its fruit is rotted
its planting was of another one who planted the deadly seed of his own self
whose own the sheep were not and whose fruit is twice dead .
THE FRUIT OF THE SPIRIT
The FRUIT OF THE WICKED ONE and the wicked
ONE WILL HONOR GOD
the other DISHONORS AND REBELS against him proving that which is acceptable to man and to the flesh
to the ever changing generation of its time .
Maybe that sounded a bit confusing , IF so feel free to ask questions .
 

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WHAT i say to one i say to all .
Either one is of the seed that GOD planted into the ground and from that seed the root came
and from that root did the tree grow upwards and from that tree came The fruit worthy of GOD
and that fruit did honor GOD ,proving what was acceptable to HIM .
From the root to the fruit the TREE IS known by its fruits .
and all who are partakers of the seed PLANTED BY GOD , WHICH IS JESUS THE CHRIST
WHO came forth of GOD , will bear fruit which is GOOD and pleasing to GOD .
but many are of another tree . Its planting was NOT OF GOD
and though that tree do grow massive too , its fruit is rotted
its planting was of another one who planted the deadly seed of his own self
whose own the sheep were not and whose fruit is twice dead .
THE FRUIT OF THE SPIRIT
The FRUIT OF THE WICKED ONE and the wicked
ONE WILL HONOR GOD
the other DISHONORS AND REBELS against him proving that which is acceptable to man and to the flesh
to the ever changing generation of its time .
Maybe that sounded a bit confusing , IF so feel free to ask questions .
@amigo de christo
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Is there any reason to follow Jesus if the threat of hell in the afterlife is removed?

Nope, no reason at all if one really believes in universalism

This is why one should stay away from universalists and OSAS peoples cause they frequently bust out in to sinful behavior
 

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"... have you ever considered why it is that the doctrine of eternal conscious torment has, as a matter of practical fact, failed to motivate most people to turn to Christ,

There is a time and a place regarding a Preacher, using the fear of Hell.
And that is because some wont react to Grace, but they will react to eternal punishment.

JUDE teaches this as...

"""And others save (them) with fear, = pulling them out of the fire;""

Notice "pulling them out of the Fire".

That is HELL Fire. and the LAKE of fire, that is eternal damnation.

THat means you show them they are going there, and then you pull them out by Christ..

See, there is a certain type of person, who reacts to "Going to Hell", and will turn to Christ.
 

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Nope, no reason at all if one really believes in universalism

This is why one should stay away from universalists and OSAS peoples cause they frequently bust out in to sinful behavior
Those who believe in OSAS as I do dont believe we can go on sinning.......we just believe you cant lose your salvation -which is biblical fact- just because you may stumble occasionally and all of us do
 
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Those who believe in OSAS as I do dont believe we can go on sinning.......we just believe you cant lose your salvation -which is biblical fact- just because you may stumble occasionally and all of us do
There is THE JESUS who saves
their is another jesus that saves not .
Many follow the wrong jesus due to that one serveth their fleshly desires .
The JESUS who saves never went around telling people
HIS TRUTH was no better than their truth . the jesus of interfaith DOES . HENCE i dont heed their version of What they
think be JESUS , what they think be GOD . cause satan and his co workers
can USE the NAME OF JESUS and boy do they twist stuff right unto their own destruction .
As i am sure you well know dear sister .