If Perchance Catholicism Is Mistaken

[Webers_Home]

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My eldest brother (for convenience sake, call him Larry) was ordained to the
priesthood in 1965 and remained so for 53 years prior to passing away at
the age of 78 in May of 2018.

Larry graduated from the Pontifical Gregorian University in Rome. He taught
at the University of San Diego and has served in parishes in San Diego,
Mexico, Portland, the Tohono O'odham Indian Reservation, and Huntington
Beach. Larry served as the Director of Pastoral Ministry and the first Rector
of the Conventual Church of Our Lady of the Angels at the Franciscan
Renewal Center, Scottsdale, Arizona.

In 1973, he served at University of San Diego as an Assistant Professor of
Religious Studies in the College of Arts and Sciences. Larry then served as
the University Chaplain and Director of Campus Ministry from September
1974 until June 1984.

Larry entered the Franciscan Order to become a Friar in 1987 after serving
as a priest of the Diocese of San Diego for 22 years. During his semi
retirement years, Larry, he was a priest at the Mission San Luis Rey in
Oceanside, California.

Supposing Rome's version of Christianity is mistaken? (This is only a
hypothetical question; I'm not alleging Rome is mistaken.) The ramifications
of that would be too awful to contemplate. It would mean that my deceased
brother is right now, this very moment, in Hell regardless of the quality and
the extent of his devotion to The Church. It would also mean that my
brother was a minister of darkness rather than light; thus everyone he
influenced was led down a path leading directly to the lake of brimstone
depicted at Rev 20:11-15 where they would be facing a mode of death akin
to a foundry worker falling into a kettle of molten iron.

I can only imagine the crushing, unspeakable dismay that my brother would
undergo were it to turn out that all the while he sincerely believed himself
serving Christ's best interests, he was only serving himself.
_

 

[justbyfaith]

That is pretty heavy...

But I would say that if he trusted in the gospel (found in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4); which is not foreign to Catholic theology (although it is diverted from by doctrines about Mary and the saints; as well as by the false doctrine of salvation by works); that he would have entered in through simple faith in the gospel.

 

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I sincerely believe that Jesus Christ is a man of integrity who would never
knowingly mislead people. In point of fact, I'm convinced that that
everything he taught originated with God, whom I also sincerely believe to
be a person of integrity who would never knowingly mislead people.

● John 3:34 . . For he is sent by God. He speaks God's words, for God's
Spirit is upon him without measure or limit

● John 8:26 . .He that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things
which I have heard of Him.

● John 8:28 . . I do nothing on my own initiative, but I speak these things as
the Father taught me.

● John 12:49 . . I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me,
he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

Jesus, speaking for God, instructed a Samarian woman that she could obtain
a living water merely by asking him for it. I've done that; but I don't know
whether my deceased brother ever did.

Jesus, yet speaking for God, instructed his countrymen that whoever
believes in him would be given to drink of the Spirit within the very core of
their being if all they did was approach him for it. I've done that too; but
again, I don't know if my deceased brother ever did.

So if John 4:10-14 is true and reliable, and if John 7:37-39 is true and
reliable; then I have successfully obtained the living water, and I have also
successfully obtained the Spirit within the very core of my being.

The living water and the Spirit, are essential components of my baptism into
Jesus' body.

● 1Cor 12:13 . .We were all baptized by one Spirit into one body-- whether
Jews or Greeks, slave or free --and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.

The awful irony of the standard Christian baptism is that not everyone who
undergoes it will make it to safety when they pass on; and that's because
they failed to obtain the Spirit and the living water about which Jesus spoke
in John 4:10-14 and John 7:37-39.

NOTE: It's risky to depend upon the standard Christian baptism for obtaining
the Spirit and the living water; no, play it safe and do as I have done: speak
up for them as Jesus instructed and get the water and the Spirit locked in.

● John 6:37 . . Everything that the Father gives me will come to me, and I
will not reject anyone who comes to me

● Rom 10:13 . . Everyone who calls on the name of The Lord will be saved.
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[justbyfaith]

It is indeed a sad prospect if your brother never called on the name of the Lord for salvation.

However, I would say that you were not with him every moment of his life; and that therefore he may have done so in a moment that you were not present with him.

Catholicism does preach salvation by works; which if a man puts his trust in them to save him, he will not be saved.

But if your brother ever forsook trusting in his works for salvation and began to trust wholly in what Jesus did for him on the Cross, you can be certain that he is in heaven, rejoicing even now.

I would say that, while in Catholicism there is a diversion from the reality of 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 in all of its simplicity, with Mary and the saints and salvation by works in their doctrine and theology; that it is still possible for a Catholic to come to saving faith in Jesus, if they sift through all of the gobelty-gook and really look to Him as He died for them on the Cross.

Because it is as simple as what we see that God has spoken in Isaiah 45:22.

 

[Webers_Home]

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According to Jesus' statements at John 3:3-8, it's necessary for people to
undergo a birth by water and by the Spirit in order to enter and/or see the
kingdom of God.

Well; if perchance my deceased brother somehow failed to obtain the water
Jesus spoke about to the Samarian women in John 4:10-14, and the Spirit
that he spoke of to his countrymen in John 7:37-39, then I would have to
conclude that my brother didn't make it to safety when he passed away even
after 53 years of life on earth as a Priest/Friar because to my knowledge,
there no exceptions to the rule.
_

 

[justbyfaith]

I was merely trying to comfort you by the knowledge that your brother may have indeed done what it takes to enter in to the kingdom;

But if you don't want to believe that then by all means believe as you wish.

I know someone in particular that does not want to believe that his father went to heaven when he died; but that this is because he has forgiveness issues with his dad (as I write this), even after he passed away.

I hope that this is not you concerning your brother.

I wouldn't wish hell on my worst enemy; and to desire that a close relative would go there, to me, is a very unrighteous thing.

But I know that this is not you; that you are simply attempting to quote that there is a standard way that we enter in to heaven; and that if someone does not enter in through the door, they don't enter in at all.

 

[shnarkle]

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My eldest brother (for convenience sake, call him Larry) was ordained to the
priesthood in 1965 and remained so for 53 years prior to passing away at
the age of 78 in May of 2018.

Larry graduated from the Pontifical Gregorian University in Rome. He taught
at the University of San Diego and has served in parishes in San Diego,
Mexico, Portland, the Tohono O'odham Indian Reservation, and Huntington
Beach. Larry served as the Director of Pastoral Ministry and the first Rector
of the Conventual Church of Our Lady of the Angels at the Franciscan
Renewal Center, Scottsdale, Arizona.

In 1973, he served at University of San Diego as an Assistant Professor of
Religious Studies in the College of Arts and Sciences. Larry then served as
the University Chaplain and Director of Campus Ministry from September
1974 until June 1984.

Larry entered the Franciscan Order to become a Friar in 1987 after serving
as a priest of the Diocese of San Diego for 22 years. During his semi
retirement years, Larry, he was a priest at the Mission San Luis Rey in
Oceanside, California.

Supposing Rome's version of Christianity is mistaken? (This is only a
hypothetical question; I'm not alleging Rome is mistaken.) The ramifications
of that would be too awful to contemplate. It would mean that my deceased
brother is right now, this very moment, in Hell regardless of the quality and
the extent of his devotion to The Church. It would also mean that my
brother was a minister of darkness rather than light; thus everyone he
influenced was led down a path leading directly to the lake of brimstone
depicted at Rev 20:11-15 where they would be facing a mode of death akin
to a foundry worker falling into a kettle of molten iron.

I can only imagine the crushing, unspeakable dismay that my brother would
undergo were it to turn out that all the while he sincerely believed himself
serving Christ's best interests, he was only serving himself.
_

If your brother Larry happened upon someone who needed help, but passed by then you're probably right. However, just because Catholicism may be wrong, it doesn't then follow that your deceased brother is in hell. Again, Christ uses the heretical Samaritan to show who is manifesting God's love in the world which should be our first clue that it isn't the doctrines we believe, but the life lived in, with, and through Christ.

 

[ScottA]

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I sincerely believe that Jesus Christ is a man of integrity who would never
knowingly mislead people. In point of fact, I'm convinced that that
everything he taught originated with God, whom I also sincerely believe to
be a person of integrity who would never knowingly mislead people.

● John 3:34 . . For he is sent by God. He speaks God's words, for God's
Spirit is upon him without measure or limit

● John 8:26 . .He that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things
which I have heard of Him.

● John 8:28 . . I do nothing on my own initiative, but I speak these things as
the Father taught me.

● John 12:49 . . I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me,
he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

Jesus, speaking for God, instructed a Samarian woman that she could obtain
a living water merely by asking him for it. I've done that; but I don't know
whether my deceased brother ever did.

Jesus, yet speaking for God, instructed his countrymen that whoever
believes in him would be given to drink of the Spirit within the very core of
their being if all they did was approach him for it. I've done that too; but
again, I don't know if my deceased brother ever did.

So if John 4:10-14 is true and reliable, and if John 7:37-39 is true and
reliable; then I have successfully obtained the living water, and I have also
successfully obtained the Spirit within the very core of my being.

The living water and the Spirit, are essential components of my baptism into
Jesus' body.

● 1Cor 12:13 . .We were all baptized by one Spirit into one body-- whether
Jews or Greeks, slave or free --and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.

The awful irony of the standard Christian baptism is that not everyone who
undergoes it will make it to safety when they pass on; and that's because
they failed to obtain the Spirit and the living water about which Jesus spoke
in John 4:10-14 and John 7:37-39.

NOTE: It's risky to depend upon the standard Christian baptism for obtaining
the Spirit and the living water; no, play it safe and do as I have done: speak
up for them as Jesus instructed and get the water and the Spirit locked in.

● John 6:37 . . Everything that the Father gives me will come to me, and I
will not reject anyone who comes to me

● Rom 10:13 . . Everyone who calls on the name of The Lord will be saved.
_

How many days can a man be without water?

The time of Christ is just three days also, which is from beginning to the end. Meaning, a person can be without that promised living water, though he has asked for it and the promise is good...he may not receive it until the end.

But don't worry about your brother. Unless he was the Pope, he was under a master that shall answer rather than himself.

 

[GodsGrace]

.
My eldest brother (for convenience sake, call him Larry) was ordained to the
priesthood in 1965 and remained so for 53 years prior to passing away at
the age of 78 in May of 2018.

Larry graduated from the Pontifical Gregorian University in Rome. He taught
at the University of San Diego and has served in parishes in San Diego,
Mexico, Portland, the Tohono O'odham Indian Reservation, and Huntington
Beach. Larry served as the Director of Pastoral Ministry and the first Rector
of the Conventual Church of Our Lady of the Angels at the Franciscan
Renewal Center, Scottsdale, Arizona.

In 1973, he served at University of San Diego as an Assistant Professor of
Religious Studies in the College of Arts and Sciences. Larry then served as
the University Chaplain and Director of Campus Ministry from September
1974 until June 1984.

Larry entered the Franciscan Order to become a Friar in 1987 after serving
as a priest of the Diocese of San Diego for 22 years. During his semi
retirement years, Larry, he was a priest at the Mission San Luis Rey in
Oceanside, California.

Supposing Rome's version of Christianity is mistaken? (This is only a
hypothetical question; I'm not alleging Rome is mistaken.) The ramifications
of that would be too awful to contemplate. It would mean that my deceased
brother is right now, this very moment, in Hell regardless of the quality and
the extent of his devotion to The Church. It would also mean that my
brother was a minister of darkness rather than light; thus everyone he
influenced was led down a path leading directly to the lake of brimstone
depicted at Rev 20:11-15 where they would be facing a mode of death akin
to a foundry worker falling into a kettle of molten iron.

I can only imagine the crushing, unspeakable dismay that my brother would
undergo were it to turn out that all the while he sincerely believed himself
serving Christ's best interests, he was only serving himself.
_

Why exactly do you believe your brother is lost?

 

[epostle]

Catholicism does preach salvation by works; which if a man puts his trust in them to save him, he will not be saved.

But if your brother ever forsook trusting in his works for salvation and began to trust wholly in what Jesus did for him on the Cross, you can be certain that he is in heaven, rejoicing even now.

I would say that, while in Catholicism there is a diversion from the reality of 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 in all of its simplicity, with Mary and the saints and salvation by works in their doctrine and theology; that it is still possible for a Catholic to come to saving faith in Jesus, if they sift through all of the gobelty-gook and really look to Him as He died for them on the Cross.

Because it is as simple as what we see that God has spoken in Isaiah 45:22.

For the millionth time, Catholicism does not teach salvation by works apart from grace, that is an anti-Catholic myth.

McCarthy (along with many other Calvinist anti-Catholics) is unwilling or unable to understand the relationship of human free will to God’s grace. We believe we can cooperate with God’s grace in order to “merit.” Yet that very merit is itself completely an act of God’s grace. Here is some more relevant information to consider:

The Second Council of Orange (529 A.D.), accepted as dogma by the Catholic Church, dogmatically taught in its Canon 7:

If anyone asserts that we can, by our natural powers, think as we ought, or choose any good pertaining to the salvation of eternal life . . . without the illumination and inspiration of the Holy Spirit . . . he is misled by a heretical spirit . . . [goes on to cite Jn 15:5, 2 Cor 3:5]
​

Likewise, the ecumenical Council of Trent (1545-63): Chapter 5, Decree on Justification:

. . . Man . . . is not able, by his own free-will, without the grace of God, to move himself unto justice in His sight.
​

Canon I on Justification:

If anyone saith that man may be justified before God by his own works, whether done through the teaching of human nature or that of the law, without the grace of God through Jesus Christ; let him be anathema.​

But the myth won't go away.

The existence of a measure of human free will in order for man to cooperate with God’s grace does not reduce inevitably and necessarily to Semi-Pelagianism, as Luther, Calvin, and present-day Calvinists wrongly charge. The Catholic view is a third way. Our “meritorious actions” are always necessarily preceded and caused and crowned and bathed in God’s enabling grace. But this doesn’t wipe out our cooperation, which is not intrinsically meritorious in the sense that it derives from us and not God . . . Second Orange again:

The reward given for good works is not won by reason of actions which precede grace, but grace, which is unmerited, precedes actions in order that they may be accomplished meritoriously.
​

Catholic theologian Ludwig Ott describes the Catholic view:

As God’s grace is the presupposition and foundation of supernatural good works, by which man merits eternal life, so salutary works are, at the same time gifts of God and meritorious acts of man. (Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma, Rockford, Illinois: TAN Books, 1974 [orig. 1952], 264)
​

St. Augustine wrote:

What merit of man is there before grace by which he can achieve grace, as only grace works every one of our good merits in us, and as God, when He crowns our merits, crowns nothing else but His own gifts? (Ep. 194, 5, 19; in Ott, 265)
​

The concept of merit and its corollary reward is well-supported in Scripture (Mt 5:12; 19:17, 21, 29; 25:21; 25:34 ff.; Lk 6:38; Rom 2:6; 1 Cor 3:8; 9:17; Col 3:24; Heb 6:10; 10:35; 11:6; 2 Tim 4:8; Eph 6:8).

These works are meritorious only when they are performed in the state of grace and with a good intention

But the myth (salvation by works) won't go away.
​

Jesus himself tells his disciples: ‘I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in me (by the state of grace), and I in him, he it is that bears much fruit (for heaven). If a man does not abide in me (by mortal sin) . . . he can do nothing’ – he can bear no fruit for heaven; just as the branch that is cut off from the vine cannot produce any grapes.

By sanctifying grace we are children of God. Only by sanctifying grace do we have a right to heaven as our heritage. By purely natural good acts, such as even the sinner can perform, heaven cannot be merited as a reward; we must be in the state of grace, a child of God. Only after human nature has been united to God by grace and raised up above it’s own nature can good acts, which proceed from this supernaturally elevated nature, be directed towards the possession of God in the hereafter. Only in this way can we merit the vision of God in heaven, since it completely surpasses the powers of our pure human nature.

By sanctifying grace we become living members of the mystical body of Christ, one with Christ our Head. Thus our acts become acts of Christ, who, in an incomprehensible way, is living and working in [p. 264] his members. Through this intimate union with Christ, our Mediator before the Father, we merit the happiness of heaven.

Catholicism has repeatedly condemned Pelagianism/Semi-Pelagianism (salvation by works) as a heresy, but the myth won't go away.
for further reading, see Catholic Merit vs. Distorted Caricatures (James McCarthy)

 

[justbyfaith]

which should be our first clue that it isn't the doctrines we believe,

1Ti 4:16, Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.

 

[justbyfaith]

For the millionth time, Catholicism does not teach salvation by works apart from grace, that is an anti-Catholic myth.

McCarthy (along with many other Calvinist anti-Catholics) is unwilling or unable to understand the relationship of human free will to God’s grace. We believe we can cooperate with God’s grace in order to “merit.” Yet that very merit is itself completely an act of God’s grace. Here is some more relevant information to consider:

The Second Council of Orange (529 A.D.), accepted as dogma by the Catholic Church, dogmatically taught in its Canon 7:

If anyone asserts that we can, by our natural powers, think as we ought, or choose any good pertaining to the salvation of eternal life . . . without the illumination and inspiration of the Holy Spirit . . . he is misled by a heretical spirit . . . [goes on to cite Jn 15:5, 2 Cor 3:5]
​

Likewise, the ecumenical Council of Trent (1545-63): Chapter 5, Decree on Justification:

. . . Man . . . is not able, by his own free-will, without the grace of God, to move himself unto justice in His sight.
​

Canon I on Justification:

If anyone saith that man may be justified before God by his own works, whether done through the teaching of human nature or that of the law, without the grace of God through Jesus Christ; let him be anathema.​

But the myth won't go away.

The existence of a measure of human free will in order for man to cooperate with God’s grace does not reduce inevitably and necessarily to Semi-Pelagianism, as Luther, Calvin, and present-day Calvinists wrongly charge. The Catholic view is a third way. Our “meritorious actions” are always necessarily preceded and caused and crowned and bathed in God’s enabling grace. But this doesn’t wipe out our cooperation, which is not intrinsically meritorious in the sense that it derives from us and not God . . . Second Orange again:

The reward given for good works is not won by reason of actions which precede grace, but grace, which is unmerited, precedes actions in order that they may be accomplished meritoriously.
​

Catholic theologian Ludwig Ott describes the Catholic view:

As God’s grace is the presupposition and foundation of supernatural good works, by which man merits eternal life, so salutary works are, at the same time gifts of God and meritorious acts of man. (Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma, Rockford, Illinois: TAN Books, 1974 [orig. 1952], 264)
​

St. Augustine wrote:

What merit of man is there before grace by which he can achieve grace, as only grace works every one of our good merits in us, and as God, when He crowns our merits, crowns nothing else but His own gifts? (Ep. 194, 5, 19; in Ott, 265)
​

The concept of merit and its corollary reward is well-supported in Scripture (Mt 5:12; 19:17, 21, 29; 25:21; 25:34 ff.; Lk 6:38; Rom 2:6; 1 Cor 3:8; 9:17; Col 3:24; Heb 6:10; 10:35; 11:6; 2 Tim 4:8; Eph 6:8).

These works are meritorious only when they are performed in the state of grace and with a good intention

But the myth (salvation by works) won't go away.
​

Jesus himself tells his disciples: ‘I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in me (by the state of grace), and I in him, he it is that bears much fruit (for heaven). If a man does not abide in me (by mortal sin) . . . he can do nothing’ – he can bear no fruit for heaven; just as the branch that is cut off from the vine cannot produce any grapes.

By sanctifying grace we are children of God. Only by sanctifying grace do we have a right to heaven as our heritage. By purely natural good acts, such as even the sinner can perform, heaven cannot be merited as a reward; we must be in the state of grace, a child of God. Only after human nature has been united to God by grace and raised up above it’s own nature can good acts, which proceed from this supernaturally elevated nature, be directed towards the possession of God in the hereafter. Only in this way can we merit the vision of God in heaven, since it completely surpasses the powers of our pure human nature.

By sanctifying grace we become living members of the mystical body of Christ, one with Christ our Head. Thus our acts become acts of Christ, who, in an incomprehensible way, is living and working in [p. 264] his members. Through this intimate union with Christ, our Mediator before the Father, we merit the happiness of heaven.

Catholicism has repeatedly condemned Pelagianism/Semi-Pelagianism (salvation by works) as a heresy, but the myth won't go away.
for further reading, see Catholic Merit vs. Distorted Caricatures (James McCarthy)

Works that merit salvation are by definition salvational. And this is the false doctrine of salvation by works. Period.

 

[Webers_Home]

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Larry and I didn't grow up together. We had the same father but not the
same mother.

I was taken to visit Larry just once when we were both young boys. I did not
see him again until I was seventeen when he and our dad gave me a
surprise send-off to the Army in August of 1961.

From thence, our lives took very different directions. Larry went on to
pursue a vocation with the Catholic Church, and I went on to become a
soldier and a welder.

Now the thing is this: Larry entered the priesthood under false pretenses. He
never revealed his mother's divorce, nor did he ever reveal that he had
siblings. Plus his mom was connected. She managed to get Larry's birth
record altered so that her new husband appeared to be Larry's real father.

Larry was ambitious. He wanted to go far with the Catholic Church and
figured his chances would be better if Rome didn't know too much about
him. Long story short; it was Larry's wish that I keep a distance to avoid the
risk of exposure. Larry dropped off the radar, and I lost contact with him for
the next 54 years till we Googled him in 2015. In point of fact, were it not
for the internet, Larry and I probably never would've found each other again.

Because of all the secrecy; I was unable to speak with my brother about
religion till just three years prior to his death via email. However, when I
did; Larry, without saying why, went dark and stopped communicating with
me; and I only found out about his illness and his death just recently when
we Googled him once again.

My one lasting regret is that Larry didn't contact me about his illness so we
could've at least said our good-byes before he passed away.
_

 

[Webers_Home]

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At Luke 7:40-50, an interesting incident in the Lord's life is told.

A common courtesy extended to guests in people's homes back in Jesus' day
was to offer them some water to wash their feet, give them a kiss of
greeting, and a dollop of lotion for their hair. I don't know what the problem
was, but Jesus' host denied him that whole routine.

One of the common courtesies in our day is that of extending our
condolences to someone who's lost a loved one.

Well; I've posted this same topic on several forums across the internet and
it's curious to me that so few Christians expressed the slightest sympathy
for my loss; which is just common courtesy even among the heathen.

Back in 1997 when we first went online, a man on the old Excite message
boards warned me that forums are the armpit of the internet. Turns out he
was right. It's a cruel world out here in cyberspace. The internet is a risky
place to share one's personal feelings. It's pretty badly infested with
heartless critics and thoughtless clods.

Incidentally, the dinner host was a Pharisee. It's interesting that Jesus got
more respect from common folk than he did from the religious elite. What is
there to be proud of in affiliation with the one true religion when one's
sensitivities are those of a beast?
_

 

[justbyfaith]

Jesus did indeed exalt the Samaritan over the Pharisee and Levite.

I do believe that religion can darken a person's perspective if they cannot be obedient to the mandate to love.

I consider myself rebuked in that I did not offer proper condolences to you over your loss. I do not really know how to broach the subject and do that over an internet venue; except to say, "My condolences!" it seems kind of empty to me; I feel that I should try and help you to grieve or something.

I am sorry for your loss. I did try to minister comfort to you, letting you know that it is not beyond hope that your brother might be in heaven.

Even in the case of Job, his three friends sat silent for a whole week before they attempted to "comfort" him (if you can even call their words to him comfort).

But that is no excuse. I agree that the world can sometimes even be more loving than believers at times, as most of us define love. We can be harsh and abrasive in our attempts to snap people out of what we believe to be a lost state.

But if they are loving one another the way that Jesus told us to do (i.e. as He has loved us), then are they not showing themselves to be disciples more than us? Jesus said, All men will know that you are my disciples, if you have love one for another.

Of course there is the matter of how Christians are hated by the world over much of our stance on morality; and so, if unbelievers love only those who love them, what reward do they have? Fact is, they don't love some of those who even love them; they hate believers who try to help them. But when it comes to their own clicks, they do in fact love each other from what I can tell. But they do not love Christians. Therefore you can know a disciple by whether he loves other Christians for the most part; since when it comes down to it, most Christians are hated by the world around them and are considered to be on "the lunatic fringe" by society; although there may be exceptions to this rule. I believe that this is because of the world's iniquity and the great enmity against Christians and Jews (see Hosea 9:7).

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Looks like your brother really loved you ?

I thought that to become a Priest one had to be a upstanding person in the community for a start, but sadly look at all the sodomites creeps with in it everywhere and other priest that are to scared to stand up for Christ Jesus first and foremost, well you reap what you sow, mainly just trash peddling a mans works religion and all the socialist nonsense that they are peddling nowadays.

Pope Frances is a Freemason for crying out loud as everything that he says and does is just so much Freemason that it's not funny.

I have read about a well documented fact that back in the 60's the RCC had a lot of really bad men enter into it, they were Freemasons, Communist, Satanist and poofters that got in the door and that the real honest to God people have been rejected and that's why we have such a lack of Priest in the RCC now, it was all devised and it all made sense to me as to why the masses of people in the RCC were so uneducated on the true RCC doctrines. that such idiots were truly peddling works doctrine, but as epostle has stated above in post no 10 at least he is one who knows the facts.
I am amazed at just how many RC are so deluded, I would go around and talk to them at Church ect and they did not want to talk about doctrines or Christ Jesus for that matter as that was the last thing that they wanted to talk about, even the last Priest that they had their was a total moron saying Satanic things and all the people did not even pick up on such and when I fronted him on such rubbish he hated me and just spun some more dribble and ran away and would avoid me at all cost until he attacked me with anger in front to 100 people and I put him straight and he soiled him self and poked his nose back in. such people try to intimidate all if they can, that's how they play the game, no wonder when a child is raped that they get away with it for years and years.

All the top positions are all held by Sodomites now in the RCC and all the other Churches nowadays, not to mention that the head of Police and any Government departments you name it such a one is at the top, it's dominating big business as well and they are relentless on their malic attacks on anyone who calls them out for what they truly are.

Pope Frances comes from the biggest sodomite city in the world, well second to the State of Israel now I think, the Sodomite capital of the world.

 

[epostle]

Looks like your brother really loved you ?

I thought that to become a Priest one had to be a upstanding person in the community for a start, but sadly look at all the sodomites creeps with in it everywhere and other priest that are to scared to stand up for Christ Jesus first and foremost, well you reap what you sow, mainly just trash peddling a mans works religion and all the socialist nonsense that they are peddling nowadays.

Pope Frances is a Freemason for crying out loud as everything that he says and does is just so much Freemason that it's not funny.

I have read about a well documented fact that back in the 60's the RCC had a lot of really bad men enter into it, they were Freemasons, Communist, Satanist and poofters that got in the door and that the real honest to God people have been rejected and that's why we have such a lack of Priest in the RCC now, it was all devised and it all made sense to me as to why the masses of people in the RCC were so uneducated on the true RCC doctrines. that such idiots were truly peddling works doctrine, but as epostle has stated above in post no 10 at least he is one who knows the facts.
I am amazed at just how many RC are so deluded, I would go around and talk to them at Church ect and they did not want to talk about doctrines or Christ Jesus for that matter as that was the last thing that they wanted to talk about, even the last Priest that they had their was a total moron saying Satanic things and all the people did not even pick up on such and when I fronted him on such rubbish he hated me and just spun some more dribble and ran away and would avoid me at all cost until he attacked me with anger in front to 100 people and I put him straight and he soiled him self and poked his nose back in. such people try to intimidate all if they can, that's how they play the game, no wonder when a child is raped that they get away with it for years and years.

All the top positions are all held by Sodomites now in the RCC and all the other Churches nowadays, not to mention that the head of Police and any Government departments you name it such a one is at the top, it's dominating big business as well and they are relentless on their malic attacks on anyone who calls them out for what they truly are.

Pope Frances comes from the biggest sodomite city in the world, well second to the State of Israel now I think, the Sodomite capital of the world.

You have no evidence for such slanderous drivel. The nut jobs on you tube, and the cults with the same lies, is not evidence. You should go after churches that support abortion (and it's twin evil: contraception), same sex unions, euthanasia, and a list of other moral horrors. You are just in league with the rest of the world. A persecuting media zombie.

 

[justbyfaith]

Hi @epostle, I just wanted to respond to your signature, understanding that you are a Catholic (if I am not mistaken).

I want to ask you if you think that Martin Luther's objection to the working of indulgences was based on sin or a stand for righteousness?

 

[epostle]

Hi @epostle, I just wanted to respond to your signature, understanding that you are a Catholic (if I am not mistaken).

I want to ask you if you think that Martin Luther's objection to the working of indulgences was based on sin or a stand for righteousness?

Martin Luther objected to the abuses by a few sinful bishops, and wrongly blamed the abuses on the doctrine.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

You have no evidence for such slanderous drivel. The nut jobs on you tube, and the cults with the same lies, is not evidence. You should go after churches that support abortion (and it's twin evil: contraception), same sex unions, euthanasia, and a list of other moral horrors. You are just in league with the rest of the world. A persecuting media zombie.

I do go against such Churches but I am not against the Catholic Church at all, but what is attacking the Catholic Church and fact is that Pope Frances is a total moron, anyone who looks up to him must be idolising him and that's the problem. Plenty in the RCC say he is a disgrace, top people with in the RCC as well have pointed out that he is a fool.
The only people I know in the RCC that love him are all the shallow simple minded people who are Socialist, boy they love him and so do all the Atheist types that hatted Pope JP2 and Pope Benedict, I get them all coming to me now saying, oh what a wonderful Pope Frances is .

Well I truly love St Frances and I thought what a wonderful name to use and I had great hope of him, but what a disappointment .

The Media love him and if you can only think back at how much the Media hated and attacked the 2 Popes 24/7 before him can you remember that bro ? or have you forgotten all of it.

Do you see Pope Frances condemning all them abortion Satanist and Gays ect no !

Do you see Pope France claiming that Islam and the Jews have the same God ! yes he did ! the Jews are Anti-Christ in fact, so how can they know God ? as no one comes to the Father but through his only begotten Son.

So that makes Pope Frances someone who does not know God, so fact is that he is an Anti-Christ.

No one could be so stupid to claim that the Jews or Islam know God.

Because if they did they would know who Jesus Christ truly is and respect and follow him only and that's a fact.
So why support such bastards or give them the time of day ? because fact is that they are not respecting Jesus Christ in fact.
Pope Frances would of been burnt at the stake condemned as a heretic in fact for saying such rubbish.

The Jesuits are Anti-Christ order that are controlled by the Freemasons nowadays and they have been bastards in the past and were kicked out and then crept back in and then started peddling their crap again leading people astray with their worldly madness religious dribble.