I'll take milk?

[amadeus]

What follow below was written less than a week ago by our friend @bbyrd009 a few days ago using the title which I have also applied to this thread:

So, it would seem like we are to seek the “meat,” right? The meat of the Word is supposed to be a good thing, isn’t it? And vv like I’d rather never eat meat again, and were tired of this manna, give us some meat to eat! just kinda get glided over, the first ostensibly an ode to vegetarianism, perhaps, and the second the complaints of most anyone limited repeatedly to a single choice of food, but i suggest that there is a direct connection here to fruit of the tree of knowledge, and meat and milk might need to be better defined.

As there is no phrase “meat of the Word” in the Bible, how are you defining it? List some synonyms even, “truth, facts, absolute truth, immutable truth” and then understand how that might fit with the vv above. We all know that New Believer who is Absolutely Sure of Everything, right; and manna is not called what is it? for nothing, i bet

Anyway, i guess this should be made plain by a simple Bsearch of “milk” and “meat” which ill prolly do tomorrow if someone doesn’t beat me to it, but i bet milk will just like glow more or whatever when read together

enjoy your quail

 

[amadeus]

And this was my response to him this morning:

There are those seeking 'meat' and those seeking yet other 'meat'. "What is it" you ask? [What is it =manna]

In the wilderness what?... but then?

"I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?" I Cor 3:2-3

And so they were, carnal that is, those followers of Moses in the wilderness and God gave them 'meat' but it was Not the flesh of Jesus, was it? It was not even the flesh of their dedicated types, the prepared sacrificial lambs, was it?

"...and ye shall eat flesh: for ye have wept in the ears of the LORD, saying, Who shall give us flesh to eat? for it was well with us in Egypt: therefore the LORD will give you flesh, and ye shall eat.
Ye shall not eat one day, nor two days, nor five days, neither ten days, nor twenty days;
But even a whole month, until it come out at your nostrils, and it be loathsome unto you: because that ye have despised the LORD which is among you, and have wept before him, saying, Why came we forth out of Egypt?" Num 11:18-20

"And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." John 1:14

"Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him." John 6:53-56

The "quail" which men eat in lieu of the flesh of Jesus for meat is what they get who seeking out of their lusts for their own glory in their carnality. Any carnal sons of Jacob among us calling themselves Israelites [or Christians]?

"Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:" Rom 9:6

 

[Ziggy]

Gen 1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

and then:
Gen 9:3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.

I don't think herbs and meat mean things we physically eat. It is manna. What is it??

1Co 3:2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.

Heb 5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.

If milk is the first principles, then what is the meat?

Heb 5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

So before Adam and Eve ate of the tree they were given milk.
After they ate they were given meat.
They could now discern between good and evil.
They were "full of age", not sure what that means...

This looks like it's going to be a good study.
And I'm HUNGRY!!

:)
HUGS

 

[Waiting on him]

They could now discern between good and evil.
They were "full of age", not sure what that means...

Romans 7:9 KJV
[9] For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

 

[Waiting on him]

Many view the Genesis creation account as an earthly one, for me it’s an account of what began 2000 plus years ago on a hill, where a foundation was laid. I can’t fully understand it, but the knowledge of good and evil is known when we eat of that tree.


The first and last.

 

[Wrangler]

Reminds me of

15 In fact, I don’t understand why I act the way I do. I don’t do what I know is right. I do the things I hate. 16 Although I don’t do what I know is right, I agree that the Law is good.
Romans 7:15-16 (CEV)​

Emily Dickinson wrote a poem I love that includes, The Heart asks for pleasure first, then excuse from pain. We want the accolade but not the sacrifice. The benefits of leadership without the burden. We want to credit ourselves with being ready for meat but alas, we still need milk and grace.

 

[APAK]

@amadeus ..great to hear from byrd again...

---a response to his writings then....

Yes, of course manna was not literally meat, or for that matter a truly heavy or hard substance at all. It is spiritual meat and not physical.

The manna found from the sky or really by the time the morning dew set in, in the desert of Exodus and in the NT is a a widespread energy source found in the Middle East. Folks don't use it to sustain their lives these days however.

When the Hebrews in the wilderness found white drops on a common shrub (Haloxylon Salicornicum) or mann-Rimth, they first said, Mann hou? for, what is it? The Hebrew question was then transformed into the word 'manna' in English.

The 'manna' from heaven is actually the digestive product of insects; full of sugar and other essential enzymes. It hardens into white crystals and can be stored for later consumption.

Now the milk given to new believers is essential for growth. Yes, there is still carnality in every person although it slowly fades to the background when we can digest meat. The meat is the knowledge and truth that is given when a person is maturing in Christ.

Good Day to you amadeus and God Bless you

APAK

 

[Ziggy]

Many view the Genesis creation account as an earthly one, for me it’s an account of what began 2000 plus years ago on a hill, where a foundation was laid. I can’t fully understand it, but the knowledge of good and evil is known when we eat of that tree.


The first and last.

I compare The Gospels with Genesis.
Side by side.
Old and New
They merge
And the book of Revelation.
What was, what is, what is yet to come.
And yet all three are the same telling.
In order to see the future, one must look back to the past.
It's cyclical.
That's my opinion..
just a chicken wing..

:)
Hugs

 

[Waiting on him]

I compare The Gospels with Genesis.
Side by side.
Old and New
They merge
And the book of Revelation.
What was, what is, what is yet to come.
And yet all three are the same telling.
In order to see the future, one must look back to the past.
It's cyclical.
That's my opinion..
just a chicken wing..

:)
Hugs

My opinion would be that this is a Christ centered view, not one that is earthly or self centered.

and He’s says behold I come quickly.

 

[Waiting on him]

We are told in Hebrews what the milk is. I suppose to the Jewish men it was written to in the first century it was very clear what the milk was.

 

[Ziggy]

Jhn 4:34 Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.

1Co 3:2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
1Co 3:3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

What is our meat?

 

[Waiting on him]

Jhn 4:34 Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.

1Co 3:2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
1Co 3:3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

What is our meat?

So glad he has freed us from that protesting Catholic group think crowd.

 

[Ziggy]

I always get hung up on the snake in the garden and Jesus.
Not saying Jesus is the snake.
I'm saying the people called him a snake.
Did Jesus lead people to the light and open their eyes? yes
Did the snake tell Eve to eat and their eyes were opened? yes

My meat is to do the will of him that sent me..
and to finish His work.
Now the day Adam and Eve ate happened to be the Sabbath while God was resting.
And Jesus was sent to open their eyes, set them free, show them the way.

They called Jesus the devil and Beezelbub.
They raised him up like the serpent on the pole.

They feared him.

Like I say, I always get hung up on that scenerio.
comparisons.

Did God truly create evil, or did we just imagine evil because we didn't become "gods" and usurp God's throne?
Who was deceived?
They deceived themselves.

ANYWHOooooooo..

The meat is to do the will of God.
What does that mean for us?
What is God's will for each of us?

I come back to the whole duty of man.
Love God, Love neighbor, and have Faith.

The milk is the "doing"
I believe the meat is the "being"

don't shoot me..
Hugs

 

[Waiting on him]

I always get hung up on the snake in the garden and Jesus.
Not saying Jesus is the snake.
I'm saying the people called him a snake.
Did Jesus lead people to the light and open their eyes? yes
Did the snake tell Eve to eat and their eyes were opened? yes

My meat is to do the will of him that sent me..
and to finish His work.
Now the day Adam and Eve ate happened to be the Sabbath while God was resting.
And Jesus was sent to open their eyes, set them free, show them the way.

They called Jesus the devil and Beezelbub.
They raised him up like the serpent on the pole.

They feared him.

Like I say, I always get hung up on that scenerio.
comparisons.

Did God truly create evil, or did we just imagine evil because we didn't become "gods" and usurp God's throne?
Who was deceived?
They deceived themselves.

ANYWHOooooooo..

The meat is to do the will of God.
What does that mean for us?
What is God's will for each of us?

I come back to the whole duty of man.
Love God, Love neighbor, and have Faith.

The milk is the "doing"
I believe the meat is the "being"

don't shoot me..
Hugs

I personally believe that Jesus a flesh man just as me was confronted with this snake in the wilderness, that is confronted with His will, and the will of the Father in Him commanded put that on a stake.

 

[Ziggy]

Discernment.

Being able to discern between good and evil.

In order to discern you must be subjected to both.
You have to know what evil is in order to discern the difference.

Are we going through a time of discernment?
Are we being taught to eat meat the hard way?

Maybe Paul could not feed them with meat because they wouldn't understand the spiritual deceptions, the subtilty, the craftiness.
And once you open that pandora's box, then those that were carnal and not ready for the meat,
would get a bad case of food poisoning or become glutoneous for the bad meat.

If I told you robbing a bank is bad even though you could walk away with a lot of money.
Some people might ignore the bad and go for the money.
They weren't ready to choose the good. They were still carnal wanting material things.

rambling now..

 

[amadeus]

Of possible interest to these others:
@Hidden In Him @Mayflower @Pearl @Helen @CharismaticLady @charity @Triumph1300 @Josho @Paul Christensen @Nancy @Truman the Levite @stunnedbygrace @BarnyFife @Heart2Soul @marks @Robert Gwin @rockytopva @thelord's_pearl @Shattered @Grailhunter @TLHKAJ @firstthings1st. @Wrangler @My Dreams @Angelina @pompadour @April_Rose @Devin Wintch and also @anyone else I have missed who might be interested.

 

[amadeus]

@VictoryinJesus

 

[Waiting on him]

Yeah, He overcame that dirt He was composed of by the power of the Holy Spirit and placed it high above that hill for all the world to witness.

 

[Heart2Soul]

Reminds me of

15 In fact, I don’t understand why I act the way I do. I don’t do what I know is right. I do the things I hate. 16 Although I don’t do what I know is right, I agree that the Law is good.
Romans 7:15-16 (CEV)​

Emily Dickinson wrote a poem I love that includes, The Heart asks for pleasure first, then excuse from pain. We want the accolade but not the sacrifice. The benefits of leadership without the burden. We want to credit ourselves with being ready for meat but alas, we still need milk and grace.

I had a boss that would say "hey it's easier to ask for forgiveness than for permission...." and then he would do something his boss or the company did not approve.

 

[Heart2Soul]

Discernment.

Being able to discern between good and evil.

In order to discern you must be subjected to both.
You have to know what evil is in order to discern the difference.

Are we going through a time of discernment?
Are we being taught to eat meat the hard way?

Maybe Paul could not feed them with meat because they wouldn't understand the spiritual deceptions, the subtilty, the craftiness.
And once you open that pandora's box, then those that were carnal and not ready for the meat,
would get a bad case of food poisoning or become glutoneous for the bad meat.

If I told you robbing a bank is bad even though you could walk away with a lot of money.
Some people might ignore the bad and go for the money.
They weren't ready to choose the good. They were still carnal wanting material things.

rambling now..

The Old Robin Hood mentality...steal from the rich and give to the poor.
Yep that makes them a hero!