In Heaven we have law to differentiate, praise to unite and prophecy to choose between (excited?)

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Gottservant

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Hi there,

So there is a reason you have found eschatology so fascinating, in your walk with Christ - here on these forums! The reason is that prophecy plays a big part of the next phase of life: Heaven. In Heaven, we are not bound to believe in just one kind of prophecy, nor are there so many that we can't choose. Just like it was between Calvinism and Arminianism there will be some that believe the Lord one way, and those that believe the Lord another. Some will advance "Grace", some will advance "Grace & Works". Who specifically addresses the Holy Spirit, will be directed away, but who directs through the Holy Spirit will be driven forward. The point is that we must seek the One Bread, that comes from God - which in reality may mean we start out with different faith, to that of our brothers.

It is important to remember not to cause division more than is needed, but also remember that Christ Himself gave us a choice: hot or cold. (I myself am cold). The reason for this, is that Christ wants our faith to grow. It is no good attending a Church that focuses on the emotion of the cross, when what appeals to you is the thought process of the cross. These things have an eternal value, but what is wanted is endurance ("He who endures to the end will be saved" Gospels, from memory). Endurance is cultivated by focusing on a particular element of the Gospel - the Lord's upending or the Lord's commitment; the Lord's hope, or the Lord's pity. By establishing the Gospel in our hearts, we can begin to understand when the Law requires something different from us, how praise to God unites us, and what choice prophecy gives us?

The choice prophecy gives us, is as already has been said: one may believe the letter, one may believe the fulfilment - these are two sides of the same coin. The thing that I said "as has already been said" I mean in the way that all choices are revealed; when you reveal one choice, you affirm all the others. This is not to say you should be exhaustive in your approach to the faith, but there are rewards for choosing approaches to faith in ways that agree more. And that is what Jesus prayed "that they may be One" - in other words "that they may agree with each other's doctrine". Now this is not a blanket thing; we are not trying to ensure that everyone choose the same thing or even as much, just that we want people to understand our choices do not divide us. If our choices are dividing us, we have a hard heart, not a heart of flesh. Perhaps that is something we can pray to avoid!

I hope this has been of some encouragement to you.

God bless.
 

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Funny thing is; nowhere does scripture say we humans ever go to live in heaven. Jesus said such a thing was impossible. John 3:13, John 7:15, Proverbs 19:30
Eventually, God and therefore heaven , come to us. Revelation 21:1-7
 

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Funny thing is; nowhere does scripture say we humans ever go to live in heaven. Jesus said such a thing was impossible. John 3:13, John 7:15, Proverbs 19:30
Eventually, God and therefore heaven , come to us. Revelation 21:1-7
Yes but Revelation 13:6-7 talks about the anti-christ "blaspheming" those in Heaven. How do they get blasphemed in Heaven if there is no way to get there?

Your other quotes are ambiguous (to my thinking), Jesus is the Door; how can you say "only the Door can enter Heaven"? You are muddling up your interpretation?

I get that you want to understand the exclusivity of Heaven, that you want to believe in it "from where you are", but you are forgetting you must also suffer for it and that it necessarily takes you beyond where you in your own strength would want to go.

I hope I am being balanced!
 

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Revelation 13:6-7 talks about the anti-christ "blaspheming" those in Heaven. How do they get blasphemed in Heaven if there is no way to get there?
Rev 13:6-7 He uttered blasphemies against God, reviling His Name and His dwelling place; that is: those who dwell in heaven. He was allowed to wage war on Gods people and to defeat them......
This does not say, or even imply that people are in heaven. Another case of hallucinations.

WE Christians are Gods people and we will be on earth and conquered during the 3 1/2 year period of Satanic world control.
This is confirmed by Revelation 12:14 and 17, where those Christians who proved their faith by trusting the Lord and refusing to violate the Covenant, Daniel 11:32. are taken to safety on earth. Those who failed, must remain, Zechariah 14:2
Jesus is the Door;
Jesus is the Door to our Salvation. A Spiritual concept.
I get that you want to understand the exclusivity of Heaven, that you want to believe in it "from where you are", but you are forgetting you must also suffer for it and that it necessarily takes you beyond where you in your own strength would want to go.
Meaningless words.
Heaven is never said to be our destination. We must do Gods will on earth until the New Heavens and Earth come.
 

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Rev 13:6-7 He uttered blasphemies against God, reviling His Name and His dwelling place; that is: those who dwell in heaven. He was allowed to wage war on Gods people and to defeat them......
This does not say, or even imply that people are in heaven. Another case of hallucinations.

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"Those who dwell in Heaven" does not imply that 'people are in Heaven'?

This must be the first time in my life, when I am speechless.
WE Christians are Gods people and we will be on earth and conquered during the 3 1/2 year period of Satanic world control.
This is confirmed by Revelation 12:14 and 17, where those Christians who proved their faith by trusting the Lord and refusing to violate the Covenant, Daniel 11:32. are taken to safety on earth. Those who failed, must remain, Zechariah 14:2

Jesus is the Door to our Salvation. A Spiritual concept.

Meaningless words.
Heaven is never said to be our destination. We must do Gods will on earth until the New Heavens and Earth come.
If there is a door to it, the other side of that door is a destination.

You sound like someone who is waiting to be told they are "in Heaven" - that's not how faith works!
 

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"Those who dwell in Heaven" does not imply that 'people are in Heaven'?

This must be the first time in my life, when I am speechless.

If there is a door to it, the other side of that door is a destination.

You sound like someone who is waiting to be told they are "in Heaven" - that's not how faith works!


Jesus said only he that came from.heaven has ascended to heaven.


You believe you came from.heaven so you will ascend to heaven?



First,When did you arrive from.heaven?
 

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"Those who dwell in Heaven" does not imply that 'people are in Heaven'?
It simply refers to God and His angels.
Nowhere does the Bible say anyone else can or will go to live in heaven. Not even Enoch and Elijah are said to actually live there.
This must be the first time in my life, when I am speechless.
Keep it up as; if the things you might say; contradict what the Bible says, then silence is your best option.
If there is a door to it, the other side of that door is a destination.
Making a physical interpretation of a spiritual concept, is error and confusion.
 

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It simply refers to God and His angels.

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I'm sorry but that is not explicit, at all.
Nowhere does the Bible say anyone else can or will go to live in heaven. Not even Enoch and Elijah are said to actually live there.
A voice comes from Heaven, but no one is actually there? "He was taken up to Heaven" means nothing?
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Making a physical interpretation of a spiritual concept, is error and confusion.
It's a metaphor, with a parallel structure to reality.

You should be able to reason with metaphor, if not, your imagination is greatly limited.