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In search of.... Origin of the Nations

Discussion in 'Eschatology & Prophecy Forum' started by tim_from_pa, Mar 13, 2011.

  1. tim_from_pa

    tim_from_pa New Member

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    In order to understand prophecy, we have to understand who is who and where each nation originated (compared to biblical names of nations). I guess I am pushing this book to help in that process:
    Origin of Nations Link

    It's almost 500 pages of reading and probably about 2 months of study, but it identifies all nations based on Noah's genealogy (as all people are descended from him) including the USA, Great Britain, Germany, Russia, China and most major nations today.
     
  2. TheWarIs1

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    Interesting. But how do you know it's all factual?
    I reviewed the the authors website. There are a few people or nations listed that don't seem to add up to me.

    Who does it say is the Germans?
     
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    Please pardon my ignorance but what is a 'Gnomonist'?

    Has your interest in genealogy, Biblical genealogy, that is, led you to realiize Adam was not the frirst man. The first Adam but not the first human being.

    That distinction applies to the males and females of the sixth day.

    Adam was made, not created, after God rested on the sixth day because 'there was not a man to till the ground,, 'Gen.2:5 .

    God Bless you. Charlie
     
  4. tim_from_pa

    tim_from_pa New Member

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    Yes, I heard about the 6th day and 8th day creations. I don't accept that doctrine, however.

    A gnomonist is somebody who is knowledgeable about sundials. It's an extension of my astronomical interests.

    Germans are the Assyrians. Since the end time beast will be Assyrian, it helps to explain the rise of Hitler and later despots like him. Germany will be a nation to watch in the future as it will take center stage as a world power (or contributing to it).
     
  5. Charlie

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    Please enlighten me.

    What creation of males and females on the 8th day?

    God rested on the 7th day but we do not know for how long God rested?

    Neither do we know how long it took for Adam to do all he did do before the LORD God took a rib from Adam and made Eve.

    By the way the phrase LORD God must refer to the Word of John 1:3,

    All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

    God created and the LORD God made. It is as simple as that.

    God Bless you. Charlie.
     
  6. tim_from_pa

    tim_from_pa New Member

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    I meant that Adam and Eve were created on the 8th day. Some believe that. I don't. I hear so many complicated creation theories and stories that I can't keep track of them all. I'm simple believing that man in chapter one and Adam chapter 2 are the same with chapter 2 focusing in on the details. :D
     
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    Ok, given that it takes a couple of months to read the study, and anyone interested in this topic might be currently reading it, I'll just pick up on what you've already quoted.

    Can you please show how you derived the above statement?


    T.I.A.
     
  8. tim_from_pa

    tim_from_pa New Member

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    That's why you should read the book. what you're asking me to do is like trying to trace the lost tribes of Israel "in 25 words or less". Maybe I should not have given that much away, but this is what happens when such a statement is made and then expected to go through the whole exhausting discourse. From my experience, when I do that, it is not appreciated and then dismissed with a theological wave of the hand without so much as a "thank you".

    I'll tell you what I believe. If somebody made a statement like that I would search for a long time for the answer, online or otherwise, to satisfy my curiosity. Then I could make a conclusion. In other words I find that I can't sleep until I resolve such a thing. But on the other hand you have people who want to know the answer and spoon-fed to them without any effort and then walk away not remembering (or caring) what it was all about. So, let's all flex our spiritual muscles and do some exercising finding the answers for ourselves.
     
  9. Charlie

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    What details are missing in chapter one, tim?

    The males and females of the sixth day were instructed to be fruitful and multiply and given instructions on what food they were to eat but they were not told how to till the ground.

    Adam was told not to eat of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

    We do not have knowledge of such a tree, today.

    Is that one of the details to which you are referring?

    The garden of Eden is another detail but we have no knowledge of such a garden, today.

    Probably because of the "Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.
    " Gen.3:24

    God Bless you. Charlie.

     
  10. tim_from_pa

    tim_from_pa New Member

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    Both chapters 1 and 2 compliment the other. Chapter one was an overview, and chapter 2 is the generations of the heavens and the earth, and chapter 5 is the generations of Adam where the bible revisits the same subject. There is only one species of man (Adam) which the Hebrew word for man is the same in both chapters. God called man "Adam". Adam was created in the image of God (Genesis 1:27). No sense in making the obvious and clearly stated more complicated than it is.
     
  11. australia

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    Fair enough. It's just that I thought you might at least refer me to the bibles verses concerning the end time beast being Assyrian.

    The chronology of events differ between the two chapters. What do you think about that?
     
  12. tim_from_pa

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    Sorry, I thought you wanted an outline of the book about Germany being Assyria. A bible verse is easy. Isaiah 10:5-24. Micah 5 also mentions the Assyrian in the end times.

    The context of the verses is such that they have end time application according to theologians (not just the writer of this book) and I tend to agree.
     
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    It is my intent to lessen complication.

    Cain's wife would have been a daughter of the males and females of the sixth day.

    God Bless you. Charlie.
     
  14. tim_from_pa

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    No, Genesis 5 says that Adam and Eve had other children as well, and it does not say how many. So Cain could have married one of them. The apocryphal book of Jubilees says he married Awan his sister. Cain, was born before Abel by one week (7 years) and then Awan born a "week" after Abel. Even in Jewish apocryphal sources they concur that this was one lineage.

    BTW, the book of Jubilees marks out the calendar by Jubilee years, years, months, etc. I use the Jewish calendar today. Since ancient times, the month was determined by the new moon. Of course the Jews today have a calculated calendar because of the Disapora, but technically since ancient times the Israelites went by a sighted moon to start their months. Nevertheless, I figure nobody is going to take such an accurate calendar and just dream up actual birth years of these offspring of Adam unless there is truth to it. At least the calendar is right. However, the bible has enough information to come to the same conclusion, without the "names" details.
     
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    Thanks for your post.

    Yes, Adam and Eve had daughters but the aoicryphal book of Jubilee is not part of the Bible, as you know.

    When we depart from the Bible we are no longer dealing with scriptural fact but with fiction and the name, Awan, is not scriptural fact.

    In my opinion, God would not have forced Cain to sin by marrying his sister.

    BTW, I must disagree that Bible information leads to your conclusion.

    God Bless you. Charlie
     
  16. TheWarIs1

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    Do you have scripture that reveals Assyrians in the end times?


    I already believe the Germans are partly of the Assyrians.
    But I don't believe All Germans were of Assyria.
    There are nearly 50 different groups of people that came out of the German peoples.


    A Break down of Lost tribes history:

    Israel and Judea are fighting.

    Judeans were allies of Assyria. Babylon was allies of Israel
    Syria was pro-Israel also and distant relatives of Israel, just like the Assyrians were.

    Assyrians takes Israelties captive and leaves Judah alone.
    Babylon rises up amidst the Assyrians and take over the empire. Many Assyrians flee with Israelites Northwest of Assyria to the area below the black sea.. Peter 1:1 tells us they were located there..
    Assyrians had established trade in southwest Area of what became known as the German lands. Trier Germany
    Trier was supposedly named after the Assyrians prince. Many Assyrians went to Trier with some Israelites.

    Now that Babylon has taken over Assyrians are not so big and bad towards Israel. They were no longer enemies.


    The Scythes came on the scene and lived North and northeast of the Black Sea right after Israelties were freed.
    They help Babylon get revenge on the Judeans. Judeans were taken captive to Babylon. One city in Israel was named Scythopolis(bethShan) after some Scythes settled there after this fight against Judah.
    So a few Israelites(Scythes) went back or else Christ would have had a difficult time finding Apostles there.

    Edomites helped plunder Judea and moved into Hebron when they were taken to Babylon.
    Wikipedia history of Edom reveals this also it is in Scripture too,



    The name Gyumri was written on stone in Assyira as the name of Israel
    Gyumri means sons of Cumri or Omri. A city today is named after these people in modern Armenia.
    People of Wales are named Cymri.


    There are so many groups that came out of the German people is would be crazy to believe they are all Assyrians.
    Gad is believed to be of the Goths, A German group.
    Jutes went to Denmark and some to England is believed to be Juda.
    The French came out of the German peoples and is believed to be Rueben.

    Some Finnish people have always claimed to be of Issachar and their state flag relates to Issachar the 9th son of Jacob. 9 Stars on the emblem.

    Holland come out of a group of Germans and fulfills the prophecy of Zebulon.

    And of course Anglo's, Saxon's & Frisians are Germanic peoples and fulfill prophecy of the Isles with Irish/Scots.


    This is a great topic
     
  17. tim_from_pa

    tim_from_pa New Member

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    Actually, I agree with you. Not all Germans are Assyrians. For example, there are many Germanic people here in the USA (in which I am one of them) who are probably from the tribe of Manasseh. I has to be understood that in any society there are mixtures of people, but the political boundaries are important to note instead (i.e the people that originated the nations)

    To give an example. Some people believe the USA is Ephraim because the USA is greater than Britain ever became. However, I believe that Britain politically is Ephraim and the Usa is politically Manasseh DESPITE where the actual people settled. For example, I believe the people of the southern USA are from Ephraim (just compare the confederate flag to the Union Jack) but in the political realm of Manasseh. There is still one nation of the Usa and the many nations of Britain despite where the population is distributed. It matters not politically.

    Likewise, we can say the same about Germany as you pointed out. Not all Germans will agree to what the future beast will propose (just as in the days of Hitler but were too afraid to speak out). So, you are correct. I wish it would be as simple as one nation is one people and another nation purely a tribe of Israel, etc. but in reality no nation is homogeneous.
     
  18. TheWarIs1

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    The confederate Flag comes from the Saint Andrew flag of Scotland which was half of the Union Jack.

    The symbol of Manasseh is on the US one dollar bill.
    the Symbol of Ephraim is on the Scotish and English coat of arms and along with the symbol of the tribe of Judah which is the Union of Jacob(Union Jack).
    Two sticks joining together.


    In the USA and other parts of the globe have been filled with anti-Nazi propaganda and It's just as well though I believe many miss the true history of Hitler and what he tried to do.
    Hitler was a puppet in my opinion and just leading the Germans to a slaughter while the real agenda was being carried out behind the scenes. Of course big bankers were making Money.
    The real agenda? Can't say atm.


    The Germans were starving and unemployed when Hitler took power and he gave them some dignity back. The people, any people for that matter would have followed a madman into the abyss at that point..
    The Jews declared a war on the German people and Hitler pretended to rise up against them. Israel was created and the Zionist were not able to get Jews to head to Zion in mass and Hitler was trying to help.
    His goal was to take back what was lost in the Versailles treaty and to destroy communism. We've been told he was trying to take the world and that is just bull. So many lies in our history books.

    Ironically the west sided with the Commies to end Nazism and then the West fought a cold war for decades against the commies.
    It's all acting by the hidden hand, imo..

    The biggest deception Satan ever sold is still fooling most of the world and it's still being played out among Christians.
    I won't open this can of worms atm..


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cU9BVSfNS5IMy link
     
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    Dear 'tim_from_pa':

    You appear to be unaware that only males who have been circumcised on the 8th day can be considered to be Israelites. Lev. 12:1-3 and Gen.17:14 tell us,

    And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a woman have conceived seed, and born a man child: then she shall be unclean seven days; according to the days of the separation for her infirmity shall she be unclean. And in the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised.

    And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.

    Jesus was circumcised on the 8th day, Luke 2:21.


    God Bless you. Charlie
     
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