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Society back then viewed them as both backward and in the way.
The many forced transportation of indigenous people were organised by the state.
A far greater form of abuse than that done by Christians.
An example of what could be done is seen in the example of David Brainard.
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Society back then viewed them as both backward and in the way.
The many forced transportation of indigenous people were organised by the state.
A far greater form of abuse than that done by Christians.
An example of what could be done is seen in the example of David Brainard.
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Sadly one who is 3 4 times removed claim they are worthy of such as the full blood !
Fact is that if they were to live under the old Trible Laws, they would run like hell, from being under them Laws !
Old Storys of the great KFC god ! finger licken good storys back in the old days, it's 2024 now and the chicken tast nothing like it once did when the huge big Bucket turned around outside the shop.
Yes their was a big bucket outside that once turned !
Young fella says really ! Yep it turned for sure ! Young fella, how ! Well it just did !
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Im half native american. Im not heavily into the culture, but i see the intergenerational trauma thats been passed down all around me in my community. In my own life too, if im completely honest. Primarily, alcoholism, sexual/physical and emotional abuse. There is a "truth and reconciliation day" that is a recent statutory holiday thats been added to our calendar, after the mass graves of children were uncovered in the old residential schools properties. The first one being dicovered in Kamloops BC a couple years ago, if i remember correctly. I personally believe there were a lot of wolves in sheeps clothing that were tearing these families apart and abusing the children at the time. Children of the devil that were dressed in white. And i think we all are suffering as a result to this day. But who knows, Yahweh will have the final word.
I agree !
Lot of wolves in sheep clothing even nowadays working to undermine Children full on !
In regards to such people who sexual abuse back in the days, should be able to expose how they got away with such ?
Their must be a power in Political Powers that worked covering up such ! Now who are they ? Freemasons some sort of Freemasons or other organisations that kept a lid on so much of it that went on. It has to be the top of Police in volved and Government and Schools.
From what i know of such people getting away with such things, is that people do not like talking openly about such things. and i only found out years later in regards to why some kids were so messed up, that all explained it !
But their is a Mob of people involved in keeping a tight lid on it all, political and Legal people. Such people would suport Abortions up to 9 months i am sure and they think nothing of it ! That's were I would start from as a base line. for such a person where would they draw the Line ? and who peddle any Sexual depravity in Schools, they are the New Age Predditors for sure ! lots of them are about !
Skovand
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It’s always interesting when these topics come up because you can see the personalities of people pop in ways that really showcase their heart. Such as someone being offended by the post, then minimizing the harm and displacing blame on others instead of admitting it was horrible. It’s an ugly heart that reacts that way but it’s ugly because of a lack of emotional intelligence.
Many of us in the world are aware that what Europeans did to the indigenous people was disgusting and it’s still going on to this day. Many of the colonizers that came over had no respect for human life. They had little respect for their own ethnicity and race and even less for others. I don’t think I really need to go back over what we should all know about the early settlers and how they hurt the indigenous people. The doctrine of discovery was also very anti Christian. Very racist. No one really uses it now and as far as white people in America we are simply here to stay.
So here are some of the current issues though that they are facing.
1. Many indigenous people lost their general wealth. They are a marginalized community now. They’ve also lost much of their history, tradition and faith. Often when they try to get back in touch with their traditions they are called pagan.
2. Because they are mostly killed off, forced off their land and most treaties ignored they have very little land left. This land is under constant threat from things pipe lines and from climate change.
There are three Christian Indians I know and have read stuff by.
1. Richard Twiss who wrote “rescuing the gospel from the cowboys.” He writes a lot about Christian syncretism.
2. Bear Heart who was a medicine man. He writes a bit about Christian omnism and syncretism.
3. Jared Byass. He is a still living biblical scholar.
Some things to help cultivate respect for them is to learn about whose land you are occupying. What tribe use to be where you are. Learn who their closest elders are. Teach your kids some of their heritage.
Many of us in the world are aware that what Europeans did to the indigenous people was disgusting and it’s still going on to this day. Many of the colonizers that came over had no respect for human life. They had little respect for their own ethnicity and race and even less for others. I don’t think I really need to go back over what we should all know about the early settlers and how they hurt the indigenous people. The doctrine of discovery was also very anti Christian. Very racist. No one really uses it now and as far as white people in America we are simply here to stay.
So here are some of the current issues though that they are facing.
1. Many indigenous people lost their general wealth. They are a marginalized community now. They’ve also lost much of their history, tradition and faith. Often when they try to get back in touch with their traditions they are called pagan.
2. Because they are mostly killed off, forced off their land and most treaties ignored they have very little land left. This land is under constant threat from things pipe lines and from climate change.
There are three Christian Indians I know and have read stuff by.
1. Richard Twiss who wrote “rescuing the gospel from the cowboys.” He writes a lot about Christian syncretism.
2. Bear Heart who was a medicine man. He writes a bit about Christian omnism and syncretism.
3. Jared Byass. He is a still living biblical scholar.
Some things to help cultivate respect for them is to learn about whose land you are occupying. What tribe use to be where you are. Learn who their closest elders are. Teach your kids some of their heritage.
This is the same intergenerational trauma that is within the black community, and honestly, I think it has become a crutch that has held both groups back, that and government dependency. I get that there were some legitimate wrongs done in the past, but carrying around those grievances from one generation to the next is a form of self-harm. They can't move forward as long as they're always looking back.
When I was younger, I was heavy into all things Native American, so I've read a good deal about history. The natives had all the sins and vices of the Europeans and even some they didn't have, like human sacrifice and cannibalism. The natives were killing and enslaving each other long before the Europeans arrived; the Europeans were just better at it. The common denominator is that both are human, and like all humans, we all have a sin nature and are plagued by same problem.
Skovand
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It’s still irrelevant to why so many people take issues with Christianity being spread by the sword and rape. I agree many are the same…. Which begs the question what’s separating Christian’s from others with the same vices?
Christianity wasn't spread by the sword and rape; that's Islam. Christianity is spread by the word. The Europeans were culturally Christians, but not everyone lived it. There are plenty of people who did things in the name of Christianity that were contrary to Christ's teachings.
I don't understand this question.
Skovand
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So I can’t tell if you are confused about the discussion. Part of this discussion that I was responding to was that many indigenous people take issues with Christianity. The reason why they take issue with Christianity is because the Christianity that was forced on them, by the sword and by rape, where women were bought and kidnapped and forced into a modern version of a concubine got raped by their owners and then forced to raise the kids in Christianity. Then Christians, and that’s what they called themselves and that’s what Bibles they preached, were Europeans who became Americans. These American Christians brought treaty after treaty, these American Christians hid behind the laws of discovery which meant Christians had a right to conquer , take hold of and enslave anyone or nation that was not Christian. So that’s the Christianity that was handed off to the native Americans. They stole their kids, put thousands of their kids into Christian schools where they were tortured and killed, buried in unmarked graves.
The Christians banned them from practicing their culture and language. Pushed them to the brink of extinction and this was just a few great grandparents ago that this was happening. Just in 1932 the last survivor of the trail of tears passed away. That was the time some of our grandparents were alive.
So my comments were in regards to what happened. Those were all facts that happened under the name of Christianity. That was the Christians they met. That was the founding fathers coming over with ships of slaves. Those
Same Christians have modern day successors. The ones who round up illegal immigrants, whose great grandparents use to own this same country, the same indigenous people. We took their land. We call them illegal. We round them up, put their kids in cages, and fire shots at them for climbing a fence. Republicans stood behind the oil companies that cut through Standing Rock. Stealing more land. Pouring toxins into more land. Arresting peaceful protestors for defending the land their grandparents owned form greedy companies.
Part of being a Christian, like I am, is admitting to the harm carried out against indigenous people under the name of Jesus. Modern American Australian Christianity is exceptionally westernized and highly white washed. Aboriginals there and indigenous people here are often undermined as lesser than whites. To this day, it’s happening. To this day Christians try to undermine indigenous practices.
Richard Twiss talks about this in this book.
It’s also mentioned in this book.
Forced conversions are not Biblical. If anyone did that, the blame should fall on them and not Christianity. Not everyone who claims to be a Christian is a Christian.
I would also note that that was not every native's experience. Some tribes, like the Cherokee, adopted Christianity wholeheartedly, even incorporating it into their own beliefs. There were other prominent Native Americans who became Christian by their own choice, like Black Elk and Red Cloud.
A lot of what you mentioned had less to do with Christianity and more to do with government. The two shouldn't be confused. The U.S. government was the one who led the way for assimilation effort, forced them to walk the Trail of Tears, did the killing, etc.
I'm not saying there weren't injustices done; there were, but it's always one-sided. We never hear about settlers who were raped, murdered, and mutilated. They didn't care if they were women or children either. And you did not want to be taken captive. They were practically creative when it came to torture methods. So, I'm a little put off when we are constantly vilified when in reality there were atrocities on both sides.
This is conflating a whole different subject that has nothing to do with Christians or the topic at hand.
Again, governments not Christians. At this point, we're living in a post-Christian U.S.
Skovand
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So you can’t just pull a “no true Scotsman” type of argument because it’s convenient for you. The things I’m bringing up are part of Christianity in America. Plenty of indigenous people are Christian, but that is still besides the point. Everyone Christians act like bad Christians, like Hitler, does not mean we as Christians can just say…. Well even though they did everything in the name of being Christian does not mean they are Christians. That’s besides the point too. Christians can sin and do commit horrible crimes. Sometimes a nation or political party is predominantly Christian, and they carry out their faith. Christian is a term that means someone claims to follow Christ. Does not matter if you agree or disagree with their actions or doctrines. You can say Catholics are not Christians, or that Protestants are not Christians, or that this or that is not Christian just because it does something bad. If that’s the argument you are going to keep falling on, then the discussion is pointless because as far as anyone is concerned, those actions were carried out by Christians. People who weaponized the Bible, faith and church to oppress and kill innocent people. A
Skovand
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Here are some links from indigenous people of America on how Christianity was weaponized against them.
www.pioneer.org
www.mprnews.org
The Great Evil: Christianity, the Bible and the Native American Genocide
Chris Mato Nunpa talks about the role that the Bible played in the genocide, land theft and religious suppression of Native American people.
www.pioneer.org
American Indians balance native customs with Christianity
Many misconceptions can be found of Native American spiritual practices. For America's indigenous people, late 19th century Christianity meant forced assimilation and cultural domination. And generations later, Native Americans who chose Christianity are sometimes said to have "sold out."
www.mprnews.org
The Cultural Conundrum of the Indigenous Christian
The Rev. Rachel Taber Hamilton shares an intimate story about becoming Christian in a community harmed by Christianity.
www.episcopalchurch.org
More like the Law was used against them = so called type of Jewish intent was at foot ? Nothing truly Christian at all about such in fact !Here are some links from indigenous people of America on how Christianity was weaponized against them.
The Great Evil: Christianity, the Bible and the Native American Genocide
Chris Mato Nunpa talks about the role that the Bible played in the genocide, land theft and religious suppression of Native American people.
American Indians balance native customs with Christianity
Many misconceptions can be found of Native American spiritual practices. For America's indigenous people, late 19th century Christianity meant forced assimilation and cultural domination. And generations later, Native Americans who chose Christianity are sometimes said to have "sold out."
The Cultural Conundrum of the Indigenous Christian
The Rev. Rachel Taber Hamilton shares an intimate story about becoming Christian in a community harmed by Christianity.www.episcopalchurch.org
You know in Business the games are played by people, who do not care less about you the person at all, it's the Law ? as long as one can play the Laws to your own advantage, that's what they do in fact, That's number one in the game !
Like even dealing with a Builder to build you a new home or reno, and what he says to you means totaly nothing at all, it's the Paper work that it comes down to regarding the Law. and that's just the start of it all.
Do not trust them ever ! because they are not humans in fact, for they are a Business period ! That's how they work !
That's how Governments work ! They are criminal organisations in fact overall. they can undermine their own people in a heart beat, regards the Law. Don't pay your Tax on time due to no fault of your own and see how nice they are to you ? but some criminal is pampered to in regards the Law ? gets payed or the amount that is payed to look after such people ? Haha ! but you the Tax Payer you become the enemy of the State and they will work so as destroy you ! it's the Law !
Common sense does not enter such realitys. It's just the letter of the Law period ! Next !
Who said that their were not bad people in power of all Religions, History is full of such people.
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