The Gentile believers who believed in Peters words ? it's the same with Jews as well you know.
The Gentiles who believed are not born again in fact just because they believed.
All must be Water Baptised first, them Gentiles would of been water baptised directly if they believed, the fact is that no one gets Born Again ever before water Baptism.
Brother, please read the event I was referring to.
Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. 44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. 45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. 46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, 47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? 48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
They had received the promise of the Holy Ghost way before water baptism.
Water Baptism is about entering in to the flock and the hope of being Born again of the Holy Spirit.
Then why did Paul not water baptize potential converts first, but instead declared that it is by the preaching of the cross and those believing is how they are saved?
Now Paul was saying of others who baptises in their own name, that was what he was on about, but he was not sent to Water Baptise himself because of who he is.
Paul is Born Again, so he is above Water Baptism in his out look but he is not condemning Water Baptism at all.
And yet you emphasize that one has to be water baptized first and hope to be born again of the Holy Spirit, thus negating what Paul said of the pwer of God in salvation was by those believing in the preaching of the cross.
One is never Born Again because you believe,
Acts 10:43-48 disagrees with you.
you are not Born Again until you receive the Holy Spirit, it's more than just faith and it's a gift and when you realise this gift you will pick it up and cherish it. it is not a one off thing.
2 Thessalonians 2:13-15 & 1 Corinthians 12:13 & Ephesians 4:4-6 pretty much declare that the receiving of the Holy Spirit at our salvation is a one time thing that cannot be repeated because you can never lose your seal of adoption; Ephesians 4:30. Indeed, it is when they tell you that you can receive the Holy Spirit again and again and again is when 2 Corinthians 11:3-4 warns you that is NOT the Holy Spirit at all.
I have had idiots claiming such rubbish as if they were saving people, etc I have saved x amount of people they tell me, I say no man can save another, one can lead another in the hope but not save anyone, that's to do with Jesus doing only.
Correct, brother, but in addressing their error, it would be best not to call them as idiots. They would be more open to correction done in Christ's love. We all prophesy in part and know in part, and yet His love is the greatest fruit to have in sharing with others.
I believed in Jesus from as young as I can remember and grew up with strong belief as anyone I ever knew, but when I was Born Again that was very much some what like Paul, I was blown away, I was cut deeply truly knowing who we were and at the same time grateful to know our Lord Jesus Christ personally.
So basically, you are ascribing to the apostate phenomenon where many believers today are going astray by. I do not doubt your supernatural experience, but that was not the Holy Spirit because you were saved since you had first believed in Him hence you had received Him when you were young.
Ephesians 1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will: 12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. 13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, 14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. 15 Wherefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus, and love unto all the saints,
What you had experienced had been experienced by many others as separate from the time they had believed in Him as some will change their testimony to when they were saved to that moment when they had that supernatural encounter... and some even spoke in a supernatural tongue, but ignoring the fact that it never comes with interpretation because it is just gibberish like the supernatural tongue as found in the world before Pentecost ( Isaiah 8:19 ) for why believers are not to believe every spirit but test them in 1 John 4:1-6 les they speak as the world speaks by that spirit of error in babbling nonsense as some do. Not all the time, but in most movements of the "Spirit" which is not really the Holy Spirit.
In most movements of the "Spirit" , believers fall down and there will be chaos and confusion but that is not the Holy Spirit at all.
You had been saved when you were young and had received the Spirit by faith in Jesus Christ... not by sight of signs and lying wonders.
The fact that you took your experience and pretty much telling every believer here that they are not born again simply by believing in Him until they have a supernatural encounter with what you believed was the Holy Spirit later on in life as when you were saved, is what most tongue speakers today try to avoid saying when they believe tongues can be used as a prayer language from the Holy Spirit for why it cannot be interpreted. Course, some will say it is for self edification and some other benefits, but they do so by ignoring Paul's words in 1 Corinthians 14th chapter that unless Paul has that tongue interpreted by someone else, it will be unfruitful to himself as the tongue speaker, thus signifying that tongues is never a stand alone gift for why it will always comes with interpretation or it is not of Him at all.
And since that kind of tongue which is gibberish nonsense is associated with that supernatural phenomenon, wherein believers are seduced into seeking to receive the Holy Spirit apart from salvation or in your case.. for salvation...but in your case by water baptism, I would say you and them are missing what Jesus said about how one is born again in John 3rd chapter.
John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. 8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
That means not by water baptism nor by the sign of tongues are believers to look for those proof of when they are born again. So naturally, Nicodemus had asked the question below.
9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?
Jesus answered when and how one will be born again.
John 3:12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things? 13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
So after His death and His ascension to Heaven is when the born again of the Spirit was to take place for salvation and by believing in Him is how one is born again of the Spirit.
So preach Jesus Christ & Him crucified for others to believe in Him to be saved; do not preach water baptism as the "hope" of receiving the Holy Spirit at their salvation. God is not limited by water baptism in saving any one. Any one that calls upon the name of the Lord or believes in Him, shall be saved. That is His word and I believe Him to be true.
So go before that throne of grace and ask Him for help in seeing the truth in His words so you can discern that spirit as not the real Holy Spirit at all because He was already in you when you were young the moment you had believed in the Lord Jesus Christ & that God raised Him from the dead.