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Iran Deal: Peace and Safety?

Discussion in 'Eschatology & Prophecy Forum' started by keras, Jul 16, 2015.

  1. keras

    keras Writer of Bible study guides

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    [SIZE=medium]Zechariah’s barrel[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=medium]In Zechariah 5:1-11, the prophet tells us about a large barrel shaped object that flies in our atmosphere and is situated on the place prepared for it, in the land of Shinar.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=medium]It is referred to as a curse, that will sweep away every criminal and false religion worshipper as well as demolish their houses. [/SIZE]
    [SIZE=medium]This mysterious object, or objects, has a lead cover and from their size and effects, we can discern they are nuclear missiles. Shinar is the ancient name for the fertile area of the Tigris and Euphrates rivers, which includes Elam; now part of Iran. [/SIZE]
    [SIZE=medium]So, right now, in our day, we have this prophecy coming true. Iran have the technology to build these weapons and the motivation to use them against Israel. [/SIZE]

    [SIZE=medium]But we who study the Prophetic Word, know the Lord will not allow this to happen and He will destroy the chief weapon of their strength. Jeremiah 49:35[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=medium]Deuteronomy 32:34-35 & 43 I have sealed up in My storehouse, punishment against My enemies, till the Day of vengeance and wrath, at the moment their foot slips. For the Day of their downfall is near, their doom is fast approaching. the Lord will punish those who hate Him and cleanse His peoples Land.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=medium]Isaiah 2:21 On that Day, the Lord will arise and strike the world with terror.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=medium]Jeremiah 4:20 Crash follow crash, for the whole land goes down in ruin. [/SIZE]
    [SIZE=medium]Isaiah 66:6 The noise and distress that you hear, is the Lord dealing retribution to His foes. Revelation 6:12-17[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=medium]Psalm 110:1-6 In glorious majesty He judges the nations, shattering heads throughout the wide earth. Luke 21:35[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=medium]Judgement of fire A coronal mass ejection sunstrike; Isaiah 30:26a[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=medium]Malachi 4:1 The Day comes, burning like a furnace, all arrogant evildoers will be as stubble, they will be destroyed in a fiery blaze. 2 Peter 3:7[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=medium]Isaiah 29:5-6 Suddenly, in an instant, punishment will come, storms, earthquakes and a flame of devouring fire. Zephaniah 3:8[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=medium]Isaiah 66:16 The Lord will judge with fire and sword, many will be slain by Him.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=medium]Ezekiel 21:28 A sword of slaughter will flash like lightening. Matthew 24:27[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=medium]Isaiah 10:17-19 Sudden destruction. As sudden as someone falling in a fit.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=medium]Psalm 21:8-9 Your hand will reach all Your enemies, all who hate You. In Your anger, You will engulf them as in a fiery furnace and fire will consume them.[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=medium]Destroyed at the moment of attack[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=medium]Amos 5:9 He makes destruction flash forth against the mighty.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=medium]Habakkuk 3:14 You pierce their leaders with Your arrows, they are swept away by a whirlwind as they open their jaws to secretly devour their victims.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=medium]Psalm 37:12-15 The wicked have drawn their swords and strung their bows, to slaughter the righteous. Their weapons will cut their own hearts and their bows will be shattered.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=medium]Psalm 7:12-16 The enemy prepares to attack, he has conceived mischief and given birth to lies. He has dug a deep pit, but he himself will fall into it.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=medium]Psalm 9:15-17 The wicked are trapped in their own devices. The wicked depart to Sheol, all the nations who are heedless of the Lord.[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=medium]The scenario:[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=medium]Nuclear tipped missiles are prepared for launching. At the moment the firing button is pressed, the Electro Magnetic Pulse of a massive CME strikes the area. The highly charged particles will cause the bombs and the missiles to explode on the ground. [/SIZE]
     
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    Do you think you are in any form "preaching the gospel" sir?

    That stuff's been going on for thousands of years and will continue and then each of us some day dies ... fascinating. The Jews earned their's in AD 70 being burnt as an unrepentant whore exactly as foretold. They no doubt will earn it again as they are anti-Christ in every sense of the word... no peace or safety for them ever. Nor anyone who doesn't NOW receive Christ Jesus as their King of Israel in their TEMPLE Bodies...

    But Christians Are in Total Peace and Safety even if the sun explodes.

    (Psa 4:8) I will both lay me down in peace, and sleep: for thou, LORD, only makest me dwell in safety.

    (Jer 23:6) In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

    (a.k.a Jesus our King)

    What's with all the crazy sensationalism out of the daily tragedy headlines that you so gleefully match up to passages from the OT prophets?
    Do you get paid for writing about that or something?

    Because Christians Live Here;

    (Rom 14:17) For the kingdom of God is ...righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

    (Luk 1:70) As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:
    (Luk 1:71) That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us;
    (Luk 1:72) To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant;


    Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
    Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
    Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant

    With all due respect Mr Keras, why aren't you preaching THIS message? It is the "Gospel". To just be quoted old testament scriptures and putting them into some physical futuristic application is foreign to the Gospel. That's why you see none of that nonsense in the New Testament. In fact, you diminish, yea NULLIFY the New Testament Gospel with this private futuristic mish mash of nothingness that means nothing to anyone because it isn't NOW, not to mention totally false. HERE is what you should be preaching...

    (Rom 13:11) And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

    (1Co 1:23) But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

    Why don't you preach "Christ crucified" instead? I could have not a shred of respect for you as a teacher or author ever until I saw that, and I haven't seen that once. Instead, I've just seen two Christians being open to butchering out a goat on your futuristic temple scenario, and that is an abomination and blasphemy that makes them desolate, and you to answer for it. just saying
     
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    keras Writer of Bible study guides

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    Whitestone, you have no idea about me, let alone God's plans for our future.
    Your derogatory tone about Bible prophecy and sheer lack of knowledge of all the information that God has given us through His prophets, is very evident.

    What I preach is the good news of the coming Kingdom of Jesus. But before that comes, there is to be a terrible time of testing that will come upon everyone. Luke 21:35, 2 Peter 4:12
    We are told, in great detail all that must happen in the period leading up to the glorious Return. To ignore it is foolishness.
     
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    I only know what I've read. My replies and rebukes of scriptures to you are base on that, and the fact that you ignore them. I still have yet to hear your explanation how you can endorse reinstitutionalizing animal sacrifices. That is blasphemy and an abomination.

    That makes you obvious "who" you are.

    You said, "What I preach is the good news of the coming Kingdom of Jesus".
    No you don't. Not once have you in any of your postings preache the 'coming of the Kingdom of Jesus'". Not once have you used the Gospel as ANY of the Apostles have.
    Instead, you post personal ideas of a futuristic temple to be built in the middle east where Jews will then lead Christians to butchering lambs... all out of the OT as though it hasn't been fulfilled in Christ in the Gospel He preache. Instead, you spout All this bizarre futuristic bull that has NOTHING to do with the Kingdom of God.

    Here is just ONE verse that proves you a false prophet, as ignorant of scripture as the Pharisees;

    (Luk 17:20) And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
    (Luk 17:21) Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

    EVERYTHING you say is EXACTLY the opposite of THIS scripture, and every other scripture you quote. You are a false prophet. You prove it time and again. Like right now again, you will ignore these scriptures and substitute your own ideas from purgatory futurism never never land.

    The Kingdom of God is COME. Without observation. WITHIN CHRISTIANS.

    Each of us receives the Kingdom, "each man in His own order" is what the Apostles say,

    (1Co 15:23) and each in his proper order, a first-fruit Christ, afterwards those who are the Christ's, in his presence,

    Christ has Come. Men have been Receiving Him.

    Except you.

    Because you don't believe.

    You are blind.

    That is why you place it all into the future.

    But what does scripture say?

    Rom_13:11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

    2Co_6:2 (For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)

    So you see, this following verse expresses the relationship you and I have;


    (Rom 3:4) God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

    YOU say it's in the future,

    JESUS says HE was the Cornerstone that STARTED IT 2000 years Ago.

    Only to THIS do all the law and prophets and apostles agree to.

    Not your blind interpretations off into your wild applications into the PHYSICAL CARNAL domain. That's all you see. It is how you were made to be. You are serving your purpose. It is nothing personal, I imagine you are a well liked charismatic fellow. I bet you've enjoyed some revenue and I hope you have been rewarded well for your efforts and to remain hot or cold Keras... I know you will never be lukewarm. I am HOT for Jesus Christ and the Kingdom of God and Enjoy Living in it exactly as prophesied and exactly as it is written. I will take you to task you will know how hot I am. That will also raise awareness around here that someone is as Hot as you are Cold in the things of the Gospel of the Kingdom of God.

    And I shall enjoy showing every O.T. prophet fulfilled in the New Testament Covenant in the Everlasting Blood of our Reigning King within whom we are called Sons of God. Now. To Day.

    And your light to attempt to outshine this with your blithering futuristic mess of political dramas will fade away as Darkness ALWAYS does with LIGHT.

    And everyone will see it.

    Jesus Christ is our King.
    Of All

    Other than the redemption of my body He has fulfilled every Word He has ever spoken.
    I'm His Wife.
    I say the same thing. I have HIS Name now.

    (Rev 22:17) And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
     
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    keras Writer of Bible study guides

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    Whitestone, we have discussed prophecy issues before. I have looked at your Chronicles and given you my logostelos site.
    I have written over 500 articles mostly on Bible Prophecy and in most of them, I finish with the great promise of God to His people; of the coming Kingdom of Jesus.
    To accuse me of not doing that as well as making money from my free website, is extremely rude and un-Christian of you.

    Typically, this is the attitude of all those who have their fixed beliefs challenged. If you can't refute them from scripture, then denigrate and assassinate their character.

    I place everything said by the prophets that is unfulfilled into the future. The prophesies about the first Advent of Jesus were literally fulfilled, so why not all the rest?
    I started this thread about the recent Iran deal. If you have nothing useful to say on that subject, please refrain from posting on unrelated issues.
     
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    Leave the Iranians alone..I am a Bible following Christian, and have known and talked to many Iranian people in my travels..they are people..like anyone else..they want to live their lives, look after their families and make a living in peace and tranquility...they are no different than we are...better get back to the root of the problem, those of you who blindly follow the zionist agenda of hating all gentiles (non Jewish) and their total disdain for Jesus, to the point of blasphemy....if you don't believe that better read their Talmud book, which, many of the leadership follow...it makes the Koran look like a book of peace....so learn the truth...
    Back to Iran...better look at the history of how their democratically elected leader in the fifties was subverted by CIA because he was for his people and not for the oil interests in the west..once the west got rid of Mosadeq, they installed their leader..the Shah who was not democractically elected, but a puppet of the west...he was overthrown by the people in 1979..and the Muslim government installed, which has been there ever since...word of advice to the west..quit following the zionist agenda, and start respecting people of other countries and their leadership and faith..but it seems to be a little late for that...
     
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    I retract nothing and have called you out on everything Mr Keras. Yes, I have and you don't answer. Answer up mr "wrote over 500 articles". Like that makes you something. It was rude and unchristian for Jesus to overturn the money tables too I bet you think. Yes, I am overturning your money tables and I am driving you out with a whip. I refuted you and refute again and you don't answer... So ANSWER ME...

    You appear to be the ringleader here... Your teachings have shown all of us here that IT HAS CAUSED TWO CHRISTIANS HERE TO OPENLY ADMIT BEING OPEN FOR REGRESSING BACK TO ANIMAL SACRIFICES IN YOUR FUTURISTIC KINGDOM.


    THAT IS AN ABOMINATION. THAT IS BLASPHEMY.

    I AGAIN DEMAND YOUR ATTENTION TO MY POSTS. ANSWER ME AND QUIT SAYING I DON'T EXACTLY ADDRESS AND REFUTE EVERY FALSE DOCTRINE YOU'VE PUT FORWARD SO FAR.

    SO ANSWER ME. WHAT HAVE YOU TO SAY ABOUT THIS BLASPHEMY???
     
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    keras Writer of Bible study guides

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    Here is what I say to your ungodly rave, Mr Whitestone: If the Lord wants me to make sacrifices in His new Temple, I will gladly do it. For now, He has tasked me to point out what His prophets actually wrote and I gladly do that.
    When I am abused and vilified as you crudely attempt to do, I know I'm on the right track, as that is just what the real prophets had to put up with. Lucky for me, you can't get at me to stone me or whatever nasty fate you think up for those who oppose you.

    Actually, I feel sorry for you, for because of your belief in false teachings, the Lord has placed a spirit of stupor upon you, Isaiah 29:10-11 and all who choose doctrines and theories not supported by scripture. You may be saved, provided you have a honest belief in God and keep His Commandments, but only by passing thru fire. 1 Cor. 3:15
     
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    My comment on Iran


    No peace and safety

    Obama is a fool to think that his folly with Iran will work .... and he does not understand the Middle Eastern Muslims who are out to destroy Israel and the USA

    The Iran clerics got what they wanted .... the removal of economic sanctions and an unfettered road to a nuclear bomb

    Iran will be confederated with Satan's ploy to destroy Israel [Ezekiel 38:5]
     
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    keras Writer of Bible study guides

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    Thanks, S shot, a sensible comment at last.
    God's plan is coming to fruition, Obama and Iran's mullahs are really just pawns and their actions will bring about His Day of wrath that will depopulate the entire Middle east.
     
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    The prophets did NOT tell us to sacrifice animals again. You are a liar.

    You are being rebuked, and haven't enough virtue to know how to recover yourself properly, then play the victim. Great tactic. Keeps you ignorant and without accountability to anyone, not even the Word of God which you Wrest like a pro.

    Pitching the idea of future animal sacrifices is a devil's ploy. Your mishandling of the Word of God is an embarrassment of mindless spin casting.

    You sir, are an abomination on this web site. Along with your side kick straight shot, you two are destroying souls with your doctrines of devils.

    This is an abomination of the highest order. You shall pay the ultimate price of your great swelling words against the Most High.

    Unless you repent of this insanity, The only words you will ever hear in the future are;

    (Luk 13:27) But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.
     
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    SS and Keras, you should stop villifying and denigrating countries you know nothing about....study up on the Talmud, the Koran, and see whose existence is at stake in the middle east....you obviously are following the controller mainstream media, and they apparently have effectively removed your sense of reasoning, and rational thinking on the subject at hand!
     
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    keras Writer of Bible study guides

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    I have read the Talmud, the Koran and the media. They all are useless for end time prophecy. The Bible prophets are our only source.
    Yes, the subject at hand is the imminent worldwide disaster of the Sixth seal/ Psalm 83 event.
    Most people are in denial of such a thing ever occurring. Ezekiel 33:33

    WS, I reply to your thread diversion on the 3rd Temple thread.
     
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    "SS and Keras, you should stop villifying and denigrating countries you know nothing about"


    Are you a Muslim?
     
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    keras Writer of Bible study guides

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    Wstone, your post above is totally inappropriate and is of no use to anyone.
    I am encouraged by how my posts upset all those who have false ideas about what God wants of us and has planned for our future. Their extreme opposition and nasty responses shows exactly where their motivation comes from.
    You say all things are fulfilled in Christ. Have all things happened yet? Has He gathered His chosen people and burned up the wicked? Matthew 3:12
    Prophecy tells us this will happen, trying to say it won't proves you to be a denier of God's Word.
     
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    keras Writer of Bible study guides

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    [SIZE=medium]Stuff of nightmares – the Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=medium]2 Esdras 15&16 These are the words of the Lord: I shall show sinners no pity, My sword will not spare those murderers who stain the ground with innocent blood. [/SIZE]
    [SIZE=medium] My anger has burst out in flame, scorching the earth to its foundations and consuming sinners like burning straw. Woe to sinners who flout My commands, I shall show them no mercy. I well know all who offend against Me, I consign them to death and destruction. [/SIZE]
    [SIZE=medium] See the clouds – full of fury and tempest, their appearance is hideous. They will let loose a vast storm over the land. There will be terror and trembling throughout the world, people will shudder, stricken with panic. Huge clouds will pile up and ravage the whole land and its inhabitants. A terrible storm will sweep over all that is high and exalted, with fire and hail and flying swords. [/SIZE]
    [SIZE=medium]Strong is the arm that bends the bow and sharp the arrows that He shoots. Once they are on their way, nothing will stop them until they reach the ends of the earth. Calamities are let loose and will not turn back. The fire is alight and will not be put out. When the scorching heat bears down upon you, your strength and splendour will wither like a flower. When the Lord sends calamities, who can avert them? When His anger bursts into flame, who can extinguish it? When the lightning flashes and it thunders, who will not quake with dread? [all describing a CME sunstrike] [/SIZE]

    [SIZE=medium]But you, servants of the Lord, listen and learn. This is His Word: take it to heart and do not doubt what He says: Calamities are close at hand and will not be delayed. As a woman giving birth suffers pangs, then comes the birth; similarly calamities will come and the world will groan under the pangs that beset it. My people, get ready and when these disasters surround you, behave as if you are strangers on earth.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=medium] Listen, you whom I have chosen, says the Lord: the days of harsh suffering are close at hand, but I shall rescue you from them. Have done with fears and doubts! God is your guide. As followers of My commandments and instructions, you must not let your sins weigh you down or any wickedness gain the ascendancy. [/SIZE]
    [SIZE=medium] Woe to those who are entangled in their sins and overrun by their wicked deeds! They are like a field where the path is entwined with thorns and there is no way through. They are separated off in readiness for destruction by fire. [/SIZE]
    [SIZE=medium] Ref: REB Apocrypha[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=medium]This passage from the prophet Ezra, describes very well how the Lord will act on the terrible Day of His vengeance and wrath. Isaiah 63:1-6, Ezekiel 21:7, Isaiah 33:14, Jeremiah 30:4-7, Isaiah 13:6-16, Isaiah 30:26-30, Revelation 6:12-17.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=medium] But those righteous people who trust and believe in His salvation will be saved. They are told to be prepared – that is, be aware of what will happen, so as not to be taken by surprise. There is not a rapture, removal: ‘these calamities will surround you’. [/SIZE]

    [SIZE=medium]THEN; God’s righteous servants will soon gather and settle into New Israel.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=medium]Isaiah 30:29 For you there will be songs and gladness of heart, as you march to music, on the way to the Mountain of the Lord; the Rock of Israel. Isaiah 12:1-6 [/SIZE]
    [SIZE=medium] [/SIZE]
     
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    Christians never sacrificed animals, only the Israelites where required to. As for the temple being rebuilt, it will happen the Jews will sacrifice that pure white calf ( hasnt being born yet so keep an eye out),and God will accept it, after that is any ones guess.

    In all His Love
     
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    keras Writer of Bible study guides

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    mjrhealth, As Christians are now Israelites, Romans 9:6-8, Ephesians 2:11-18, according to Ezekiel 40-48 there will again be a Temple in Jerusalem, built by God's holy people and they will make thank offerings in it. A red heifer is [was?] required for purification.

    There is no need to guess what God's plans are for our future. The prophets have given us all the info needed.
    logostelos.info
     
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    The sacrifices were rites performed which point to spiritual realities. Should we look back to Jesus and continue to make the same kinds of offerings with the blood of animals and such?


    Look at the rite of the sacrament that Jesus established. It isnt pointing towards a future banquet, but one that is present.
    In the same way forgiveness of sins is presently available through the blood of Jesus. You need not point to something unless it is far away.
     
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    keras Writer of Bible study guides

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    Thanks for your reasoned comment.
    The prophesies do not say Temple sacrifices for the atonement of sin will ever happen again. Jesus was our once and for all time sacrifice for our sins.

    [SIZE=medium]We are told that during this age of Church dispensation, Christ is our high priest and we are the spiritual Temple, 2 Cor. 6:16 and no sacrifices are required. Hosea 9:4 [/SIZE]
    [SIZE=medium]Hebrews 9 & 10:1-21 is the scriptures that clearly tell us that Jesus made the once and forever sacrifice for the expiation of our sins. Now there is no Temple and Christians are His ‘body’ on earth. This is just for the time from the early church until the new Temple is built, when there will again be offerings and thanksgiving gifts made. [/SIZE]

    [SIZE=medium]Daniel 7:25 and Daniel 9:26-27 tells us how, in the last days, an invading leader will make a peace treaty with the holy people, but will break it and put a stop to the sacrifices and offerings. Obviously there will be sacrifices and offerings taking place, for him to stop them. [/SIZE]
    [SIZE=medium]This is confirmed by the prophesies detailing how it will be during the period the righteous people of God will be living the Land before the Return of Jesus:[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=medium]Psalm 51:18-19 Now Lord, show Your favour to Zion and rebuild Jerusalem. Then You will delight in the appointed sacrifices, young bulls will be offered in Your altar. [/SIZE]
    [SIZE=medium]Jeremiah 17:24-26 Now, if you obey the Lord’s Commandments, then a ruler will again occupy David’s throne and Jerusalem will be inhabited forever. Then people will come bringing whole offerings, sacrifices as thank offerings to the Lord’s House.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=medium]Jeremiah 33:14-18 The days are coming when I shall bless Judah and Israel…….there will always be a Levitical Priest to burn the grain and other offerings every day. [/SIZE]
    [SIZE=medium]Ezekiel 45:13-25 The details and dates for making all the sacrifices and offerings on the Altar of the Temple. [/SIZE]
    [SIZE=medium]Zechariah 14:21all who come to make sacrifice will use the holy pots in Jerusalem to boil the flesh of the sacrifice……[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=medium]Isaiah 60:6-7 Livestock in droves will be in the Land to serve your needs, as acceptable offerings on My Altar and I will adorn My glorious Temple. [/SIZE]

    [SIZE=medium]The context of these scriptures proves that all this will be for the last days’ period before the Return of Jesus. What will happen during the Millennium isn’t told to us, although there will be priest’s then. Revelation 20:6[/SIZE]
     
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