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  1. jknbt

    jknbt New Member

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    hello all...a question for you: Is Dispensationalism a valid way to interpret scripture? Or is it "too new to be true"? What do you think? This seems to be the province of evangelicals at Dallas Theological Seminary & the A.G. church. This thinking has spread into a hundred books about the Rapture and Armageddon. So how about it? I am trying to gather opinions. For my opinion, see the you tube videos at: J.D. Kethley Ministries
    Take a look. They are all short & informative, and more are coming.
     
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    Willie T Well-Known Member

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    You can convince yourself that almost anything is valid. The trick is NOT to just read proponents of any particular doctrine. Read the people teaching the opposite, and at least know you are considering several things.
     
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    Enoch111 Well-Known Member

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    Absolutely. However, there are huge numbers of Anti-Dispensationalists around ranting about Dispensationalism because it exposes their false views of Bible interpretation, e.g. replacing Israel with the Church as a good example. There are many false views of interpreting Bible prophecies which also feel threatened by a straightforward interpretation of what is past and what is to come.

    There is also a huge difference between Dispensationalism and Hyper- or Ultra-Dispensationalism, which genders false doctrines.
     
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    Anthony D'Arienzo Well-Known Member

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    Dispensationalism seeks to give an explanation of scripture from Genesis to Revelation.

    All views must give such an explanation.

    However, dispensationalism fragments the scripture.

    It divides people that God has put together....Israel and the Church.
     
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    Enoch111 Well-Known Member

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    It is God Himself who has a distinct plan and purpose for the Church and another distinct plan and purpose for redeemed and restored Israel on earth. Take some time to study the matter in depth.

    What Dispensationalism did was expose the lie of Replacement Theology, which originated in the Catholic Church, but was not abandoned by the Reformers (which was their mistake). Romans 11 is sufficient to establish the future of redeemed and restored Israel/Jacob as a separate entity, and Revelation 7 gives us a clear separation between the 12 tribes of Israel and the Church.
     
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    Anthony D'Arienzo Well-Known Member

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    God has made known His purpose to the Church;

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    10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

    11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

    12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

    13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

    14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

    15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

    16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

    17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.

    18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

    19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

    20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

    21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
     
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  7. Enoch111

    Enoch111 Well-Known Member

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    So now that you have got that out of the way, why don't you search the Scriptures for God's plan and purpose for redeemed and restored Israel? It is your responsibility to do so, before you claim that there is no such plan and purpose. God holds us accountable for presenting His truth, not man-made doctrines.
     
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    Anthony D'Arienzo Well-Known Member

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    You do not understand.
    43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.


    Jesus is the True Israel, The New Exodus...and us In Him

    9 Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The Lord hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name.

    2 And he hath made my mouth like a sharp sword; in the shadow of his hand hath he hid me, and made me a polished shaft; in his quiver hath he hid me;

    3 And said unto me, Thou art my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified.

    4 Then I said, I have laboured in vain, I have spent my strength for nought, and in vain: yet surely my judgment is with the Lord, and my work with my God.

    5 And now, saith the Lord that formed me from the womb to be his servant, to bring Jacob again to him, Though Israel be not gathered, yet shall I be glorious in the eyes of the Lord, and my God shall be my strength.

    6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.

    7 Thus saith the Lord, the Redeemer of Israel, and his Holy One, to him whom man despiseth, to him whom the nation abhorreth, to a servant of rulers, Kings shall see and arise, princes also shall worship, because of the Lord that is faithful, and the Holy One of Israel, and he shall choose thee.

    8 Thus saith the Lord, In an acceptable time have I heard thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee: and I will preserve thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages;
     
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    I believe I understand this subject far more than you do. But unless you are to take ALL Scriptures seriously and into account, you will not arrive at the truth. Your choice.
     
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    jknbt, I clicked on one of those videos, but computer-generated voice overs are tough for me to take. Not something I can sit through. If you are connected with the creation of these videos, maybe consider spending some time and creating a few full-fledged teaching videos where you cover the primary points of what you are trying to say in person.

    Blessings in Christ.
     
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    There is no "Light" on, in your corner concerning Rom. 11.
    The "Deliverer came already, and Israel as a whole rejected Him. If you would listen to the Holy Spirit's words in context, you will (should) understand that only a REMNANT of Israel will come to BELIEVE in Jesus NOW, and for that, through faith in Him, they WILL be grafted back in. Otherwise, they shall remain LOST as any Gentile, who refuses to believe in Jesus. Stop listening to ALL the "scholarly learned" religious, from whatever generation or time, and start listening to the Holy Spirit, if He is within you! *Isa. 55:8-9; John 16:13.
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    BTW, there IS NO future "a thousand years" on earth after the Lord returns in flaming fire, for His Saints. For in the SAME DAY, the wicked and the earth will be burned up by Eternal fire,...HIS!
    Read all of KJV- 2 Thes. 1 and STUDY on the word "WHEN". Hopefully, then you will discern that "a thousand years" is symbolic of God's Age of Grace NOW, and not in some distant, fictitious future.
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    Please re-learn your Bible, *through His Holy Spirit only, and He will help you to un-learn the errors of all their "Religious teachings".
     
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    BTW, your title exudes the wrong approach!
    By using "Religious terms", you are already suggesting, through that term, that the "scholarly learned" have the answers, but the Holy Spirit alone does not! See Isa. 55:8-9; John 16:13.
     
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    Earburner Well-Known Member

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    Wrong interpretation already!
    John 5[39] *Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. [Not israel]
     
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    Hello @jknbt,

    Yes, it is a valid way to approach Scripture, I do not see how you can say that this means of approach can be said to 'interpret Scripture' though. Scripture IS: it interprets itself.

    * I have used this approach for the last approx. 35 years, (out of 71) and have every reason to be grateful for it. It is the means to an end only, the end being to know Christ, and to understand God's plan and purpose centred in Him, in this dispensation; and recognise the changes in administration that have taken place previously, and how they differ.

    * It has been the means whereby I have been able to identify my calling, and the hope that it holds for me in Christ Jesus, and know what the will of God is in regard to my manner of life and worship of Him, specific to this calling; the time of it's inception and what will mark it's end.

    * It has also freed me from man and his devices, and the blinding influence of tradition.

    Praise God!

    Thank you
    In Christ Jesus
    Chris
     
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    Enoch111 Well-Known Member

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    That's a good way to dodge the issue. And since the Bible speaks of Christ and His relationship to BOTH Israel and the Church, we have a duty to know what the Bible says. Not dodge the issue.
     
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    What did our Lord Jesus say to beware of the leaven doctrines of men? (Matthew 16:5-12).

    The loaves of bread used to feed the five thousand, and then the four thousand, afterwards, His disciples gathered up bread fragments that were leftover. This was symbolic for something, as Jesus shows us in that Matt.16 Scripture.

    The leftover bread fragments represent men's doctrines having been added to the original loaf (His Word) that went out to the people whole. It came back in fragments (men's leaven doctrines), and made up much more bread than actually went out. It was symbolic for men's doctrines being ADDED to His Word.

    Real answers regarding Christ's Salvation and our relation to it are found in His Holy Writ, The Bible. Certain men will always seek to make a living off of it if they can. The Apostles did not demand a living for working in Christ. Apostle Paul was a tent maker by trade and when he needed money he went to making tents.

    So beware of the leaven doctrines of men. For those who love the idea of titles on the end of one's name, big long lists of university credits, great swelling introductions, men's organizations, living at the local Christian bookstore and reading all sorts of fiction literature written by Christian authors, but never really getting around to studying their Bible in depth, etc., those aren't going to heed Christ's warning about the leaven doctrines of men, and thus are doomed to be deceived.
     
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    No. We should let Scripture interpret Scripture. And then if we determine dispensations so be it.

    Much love!
     
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    marks Well-Known Member

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    And why "replacement theology"? A lack of faith in those who originated it.

    As if they would say, "Well . . . we don't see Israel anymore, and the Bible has all this to say about Israel, so what could it be? Really? What are all these verses talking about? A nation of Israel still? No way."

    And their conclusion? "So . . . it must be . . . us! It's all about us!"

    Then there were the ones like Larkin, and Anderson, and, well, a number of others who gave us their understandings of the re-establishment of Israel before it happened, because they took the Bible literally.

    Much love!
     
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    So you are denying that God has a definite plan for redeemed and restored Israel? Take some time to study more and see what God has to say. And take the Bible literally (unless you find a metaphor which is a metaphor).
     
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    marks Well-Known Member

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    Um . . . no.

    I'll do an edit, please give me a few minutes, and revisit.

    Much love!
     
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