I made a video discussing my thoughts on if Jesus is a socialist. Let me know what you think of my arguments down below, and what do you think? Is Jesus a socialist? What evidence do you have that He is or is not?
Is Jesus Christ a Socialist?
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By definition Socialism and Communism are anti-Christ and anti-Christian. Socialism has always been godless Communism. Communists insist on calling themselves Socialists, but it is the same garbage.
And Satan is behind everything that opposes and rejects God and Christ, Christianity and the Gospel. So that is sufficient evidence.
How do you know if what you perceive as socialism in the Bible is anything like modern day socialism? From what I see today, I would have to say no.
I don't think socialism as a fully articulated economic philosophy was around during Jesus' times. There are, however, certain aspects of modern-day socialism that were commented on by Jesus.
I definitely agree that socialism and communism are anti-christian, but that do you mean when you say "by definition." I don't know of a popular definition of communism or socialism that mentions Christianity.
"Marxist–Leninist atheism, also known as Marxist–Leninist scientific atheism, is the irreligious and anti-clerical element of Marxism–Leninism, the official state ideology of the Soviet Union. Based upon a dialectical-materialist understanding of humanity's place in nature, Marxist–Leninist atheism proposes that religion is the opium of the people, meant to promote a person's passive acceptance of his and her poverty and exploitation as the normal way of human life on Earth in the hope of a spiritual reward after death; thus, Marxism–Leninism advocates atheism, rather than religious belief".
Then more than likely, today's socialism is not what Jesus talked about when only borrowing a couple comments from Him, so it would be safe to say Jesus was not a socialist as you understand it today, right?
If one looks back in history from say 1900 on one could see that the far right wealthy were happy to screw the majority of people down, so my G Dad and my Dad were for the values of working man, but what happened to that was that the Satanist got to work in brainwashing workers in big company's mainly and peddled nonsense 24/7 because they are communist who go to work on the ignorant. they have done this in the Churches as well over many years the game has gone to plan.
The Devil in the detail can be seen in the far right wealthy who take advantage in others, as that's their nature and they are proud of this trait, and then one can look to the left and we see the same carnal animal who is in the main jealous simple minded blighted grub who's intent is malice and blind hatred and they can not stand anyone being seen as better than they, this a sin in their eyes as the ego can not handle such and the Communist feeds such a madness, it's all malice driven. but the only cure for all this degenerates is Jesus Christ comes into their lives.
Communist have said to me why do you run us Communist and Socialism down, we are just like Christianity, as it's intent is the same, well that is what the Devil will have you believe ! for one the Communist hate Jesus Christ and their god is Satan for a start. but Jesus came to set people free from the works of carnal man and bring about the Kingdom of God. not Egyptian madness under Slavery like all Communist are in fact.
A Communist is a no body as such they have given up any rights worthy of being a human, you are a Slave to the system and there is nothing you can do about it or you will be killed. but the morons that I have come across claim that's not true, they claim that the people rule, that's how brainwashed that they are. fact is that they have no freedom of speech and no rights to think for themselves, you are all regarded as niggers by top command because they are all slaves to Satan. and whatever the grand leader wills it's done because he is your god regardless ! he could wipe out a million people at his will and no one with question him at all, not one peep ! so what they want is a Devil to lead them all.
The Devil in the detail can be seen in the far right wealthy who take advantage in others, as that's their nature and they are proud of this trait, and then one can look to the left and we see the same carnal animal who is in the main jealous simple minded blighted grub who's intent is malice and blind hatred and they can not stand anyone being seen as better than they, this a sin in their eyes as the ego can not handle such and the Communist feeds such a madness, it's all malice driven. but the only cure for all this degenerates is Jesus Christ comes into their lives.
Communist have said to me why do you run us Communist and Socialism down, we are just like Christianity, as it's intent is the same, well that is what the Devil will have you believe ! for one the Communist hate Jesus Christ and their god is Satan for a start. but Jesus came to set people free from the works of carnal man and bring about the Kingdom of God. not Egyptian madness under Slavery like all Communist are in fact.
A Communist is a no body as such they have given up any rights worthy of being a human, you are a Slave to the system and there is nothing you can do about it or you will be killed. but the morons that I have come across claim that's not true, they claim that the people rule, that's how brainwashed that they are. fact is that they have no freedom of speech and no rights to think for themselves, you are all regarded as niggers by top command because they are all slaves to Satan. and whatever the grand leader wills it's done because he is your god regardless ! he could wipe out a million people at his will and no one with question him at all, not one peep ! so what they want is a Devil to lead them all.
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Is Jesus a socialist? Was ancient Israel a communist/socialist kingdom? I think we should start there, because God is the same yesterday, today and forever. Does this scripture imply communism to you or more like some form of free market capitalism?
I take this to mean that my work, my labor actually pays off, where I can enjoy the fruits of it unmolested. This may not imply a free market system, but it certainly doesn't sound like socialism, or crony capitalism like we have today.
I take this to mean that my work, my labor actually pays off, where I can enjoy the fruits of it unmolested. This may not imply a free market system, but it certainly doesn't sound like socialism, or crony capitalism like we have today.
Brakelite
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The "way of the Gentiles" as described here, must of necessity be an integral factor in all forms of government be it socialist, fascist, communist, or capitalist, as well as democracy, despotism, and all other earthly kingdoms.
KJV Luke 22
25 And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors.
26 But ye shall not be so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve.
Socialism demands that there be a ruling authority restricting free enterprise... Stealing the earnings of those more "favored". When Jesus said, "you shall not be so", He wasn't meaning them, and not Himself.
The checks and balances of republicanism is intended to defray as much as possible the impact on society and legislation the human shortcomings inherent within government. Short of a direct theocracy, I believe the ideal of American republicanism was indeed inspired by God, and the founding fathers such as Jefferson and Madison and company inspired and let by God to institute the most advanced and just political system the Earth has seen, and the closest that God could accomplish through fallen man to the heavenly ideal. And it wasn't socialism.
KJV Luke 22
25 And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors.
26 But ye shall not be so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve.
Socialism demands that there be a ruling authority restricting free enterprise... Stealing the earnings of those more "favored". When Jesus said, "you shall not be so", He wasn't meaning them, and not Himself.
The checks and balances of republicanism is intended to defray as much as possible the impact on society and legislation the human shortcomings inherent within government. Short of a direct theocracy, I believe the ideal of American republicanism was indeed inspired by God, and the founding fathers such as Jefferson and Madison and company inspired and let by God to institute the most advanced and just political system the Earth has seen, and the closest that God could accomplish through fallen man to the heavenly ideal. And it wasn't socialism.
God doesn't endorse any particular economic theory. It's not what He's concerned with. Taking care of the unfortunate is a major concern of God, but...
...even a completely socialistic economy would not be Godly, in the absence of love.
1 Corinthians 13:1 f I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. 2And if I should have prophecy and should know all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I should have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing. 3And if I should distribute all my goods to feed the poor, and if I should deliver my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
...even a completely socialistic economy would not be Godly, in the absence of love.
1 Corinthians 13:1 f I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. 2And if I should have prophecy and should know all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I should have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing. 3And if I should distribute all my goods to feed the poor, and if I should deliver my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
Yes Judaism is a dictatorship because it's void of Jesus Christ, the Jews were enslaved under such and still are a blight.@KingdomInCulture
Is Jesus a socialist? Was ancient Israel a communist/socialist kingdom? I think we should start there, because God is the same yesterday, today and forever. Does this scripture imply communism to you or more like some form of free market capitalism?
I take this to mean that my work, my labor actually pays off, where I can enjoy the fruits of it unmolested. This may not imply a free market system, but it certainly doesn't sound like socialism, or crony capitalism like we have today.
When Jesus Christ came then we had Grace that abound and became his people.
Socialism is not Grace ! Socialism is a mans works system void of God.
The fact that we see in all this is as Jesus Christ said, You can do nothing but for me. all other is in vain.
No. This is not so: " Judaism is a dictatorship because it's void of Jesus Christ "
Jesus IS King of the Jews.
All the Apostles Jewish, and most of the first born again disciples (likely all on Pentecost)....
We are grafted in , in place of those original branches who were cut out.
We , grafted in , can be cut out,
and those who were original branches can be grafted back in.
When Jesus comes and rules, it is with an iron hand.
Jesus IS King of the Jews.
All the Apostles Jewish, and most of the first born again disciples (likely all on Pentecost)....
We are grafted in , in place of those original branches who were cut out.
We , grafted in , can be cut out,
and those who were original branches can be grafted back in.
When Jesus comes and rules, it is with an iron hand.
Here is what He says:
Matthew 25:31 And when the Son of man shall come in his majesty, and all the angels with him, then shall he sit upon the seat of his majesty. [32] And all nations shall be gathered together before him, and he shall separate them one from another, as the shepherd separateth the sheep from the goats: [33] And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on his left. [34] Then shall the king say to them that shall be on his right hand: Come, ye blessed of my Father, possess you the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. [35] For I was hungry, and you gave me to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave me to drink; I was a stranger, and you took me in:
[36] Naked, and you covered me: sick, and you visited me: I was in prison, and you came to me. [37] Then shall the just answer him, saying: Lord, when did we see thee hungry, and fed thee; thirsty, and gave thee drink? [38] And when did we see thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and covered thee? [39] Or when did we see thee sick or in prison, and came to thee? [40] And the king answering, shall say to them: Amen I say to you, as long as you did it to one of these my least brethren, you did it to me.
That isn't what most people would call an "iron hand."
Love God, and love your neighbor. If you wonder who your neighbor is:
Luke 10:29-37. Go and do likewise.
Look up "iron hand" (maybe "iron fist")
Try to get it right next time.
Edit in: found it: .... iron scepter , iron rod ...... see later post...
Iron rod may also be applicable, it is found in other Scripture, but I haven't had time to see if it is related to something past, or future, yet.
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Just read what He says in Matthew 25, and learn.
And Luke 10, if you're not clear on who is your neighbor.
1 Corinthians 13:1 If I speak with the tongues of men, and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. [2] And if I should have prophecy and should know all mysteries, and all knowledge, and if I should have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing. [3] And if I should distribute all my goods to feed the poor, and if I should deliver my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
It's not about iron fists or getting even with those you dislike. It's about love. Love God, love your neighbor. Let it be His way.
I hope you do find salvation; it would be interesting to see your joy in heaven, mixed with surprise at who is there with you.
And Luke 10, if you're not clear on who is your neighbor.
1 Corinthians 13:1 If I speak with the tongues of men, and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. [2] And if I should have prophecy and should know all mysteries, and all knowledge, and if I should have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing. [3] And if I should distribute all my goods to feed the poor, and if I should deliver my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
It's not about iron fists or getting even with those you dislike. It's about love. Love God, love your neighbor. Let it be His way.
I hope you do find salvation; it would be interesting to see your joy in heaven, mixed with surprise at who is there with you.
oops.... try iron rod.... >>>
Revelation 2:27 He will rule them with an iron scepter and ...
They will rule the nations with an iron rod and smash them like clay pots. English Standard Version and he will rule them with a rod of iron, as when earthen pots are broken in pieces, even as I myself have received authority from my Father. ..
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