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Featured IS JESUS' SACRIFICE ETERNAL?

Discussion in 'Christian Theology Forum' started by GodsGrace, Nov 6, 2018.

  1. GodsGrace

    GodsGrace Well-Known Member

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    A poster just said this:

    Yes, it [Christ's sacrifice] is eternal...in its result, NOT ITS PROCESS.

    Is Jesus' sacrifice eternal just in its result, or ALSO in its process?
    What exactly does eternal mean?


    This is a definition of the word:

    eternal
    [ih-tur-nl]
    See more synonyms for eternal on Thesaurus.com
    adjective

    1. without beginning or end; lasting forever; alwaysexisting (opposed to temporal):eternal life.
    2. perpetual; ceaseless; endless:eternal quarreling; eternal chatter.
    3. enduring; immutable:eternal principles.

    We many times say that from the beginning, God had planned a Savior since He knew we would need one.

    Right now I'm thinking Jesus' sacrifice IS eternal.

    Was it??
    Or was only its result eternal??
     
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    imo it is not a Scriptural definition, wadr

    Strong's Greek: 165. αἰών (aión) -- a space of time, an age
    Definition: a space of time, an age
    Usage: an age, a cycle (of time), especially of the present age as contrasted with the future age, and of one of a series of ages stretching to infinity.
     
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    imo this is not the intent of "the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world"
    even if that is what our pov extracts from it
     
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    "My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?"

    imo when this is understood that becomes moot
     
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    i know "Jesus did not die for your sins" is not a...comfortable study for most believers, but imo it can be seen that many or most of the links in that search are not trying to discount Christ at all. use the quotes in the search for best results imo
     
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    GodsGrace Well-Known Member

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    How could eternal be a space of time?
    Eternal means without beginning and without end....
     
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    GodsGrace Well-Known Member

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    But with God there is no "time".
    If HE created time, then He can't be a part of it.

    If I make a watch,,,,I'm not a part of that watch.
     
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    GodsGrace Well-Known Member

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    How could it be understood?
    How do we get into Jesus' mind??
     
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    sorry, but it does not imo, as you can plainly see
    i mean you already know what "eon" means right
    another perspective is maybe that "forever" in my perspective really means "until i die."
    as in "i have quit smoking forever" =
    "i have quit smoking eternally"
     
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    who brought up God?

    "the world" was made by men, hence why it is "passing away"
    imo
    the Lamb was slain "from the foundation of the world" is a way to say that God is not in our competitive nature, and the apparent "winner" is really just the current loser. Iow when you found/as in establish a world, or even accept and participate in the world rather than leaving the world, the Lamb is then slain, otherwise there is no strife/competition

    to put that another way, if the sky is falling in your world, don't be surprised! :D
     
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    how do we change our minds? boy, i guess most ppl won't like this, but the directions are pretty clear imo, do all the things that Jesus said or commanded others serving as our proxies to do. Give everything you own away at least once, go out in the way of the 70, go out in the way of the 12, etc. The Son of Man has no place to lay His head

    which of course sounds quite scary to someone raised in a camp right
    and even looks scary to someone dipping their toe in
    but this is how the world becomes one's oyster i guess

    what we grab onto and hold the tightest is what keeps us from living the good life, which is not lived in castles or mansions
    but nests imo
     
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    i guess the instruction was sell all you have and give the money to the poor,
    "If you want to be perfect, go and sell all your possessions and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come

    so, who here doesn't wanna be perfect (as He is perfect) raise 'em up real quick for us
    :)

    i'm still waiting for the very first testimony that starts "i got ordained after i sold everything i owned and gave the money away."
    not holding my breath anymore tho lol
     
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    See Jude7. Is Sodom still burning?
     
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    can you Quote "God created time?" i know it seems like a no-brainer, but imo ppl created time, and for God it is always right now

    but for arg's sake i dunno why even if God created time He could not be in it? i can create a vehicle and get in it, right
     
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    bb, YOU don't get to make up the meanings of words!
    Forever is different from eternal.
    I agree that in the world forever could mean till you die and then YOUR forever ends.

    But we're talking about God here and spiritual matters....

    Get on board!
     
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    If Jesus was slain from the foundation of the world...
    And God is not part of time...
    Doesn't this mean that Jesus "was slain" from the BEGINNING?

    And what do you mean, who brought up God?
    I did !
     
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    GodsGrace Well-Known Member

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    I don't know if you understood me or if I'm not understanding you.

    When Jesus said those words...WHAT did He mean?
    It's all conjecture IMHO.
    He could have been reciting Psalm 22, or He could have felt abandoned by God Father, or He could have felt His own people were against Him and hated Him instead of learning from His teachings, He could have felt that He was not received as He should have been, etc.

    We don't really know what those words meant...
     
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    You and bb agree.
    What am I not getting across??

    Sodom is not God. It's a place on earth.
    Earth has time....Of course it's not still burning.
     
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    Yeah. You can GET IN IT,
    but you're not a PART OF IT.

    That God created time is an accepted theological concept.
    I can't argue something that all of Christianity accepts.
    When God created US, He necessarily had to create time.
    Or maybe He created time when He created the universe...this I don't know.
    But I DO know that He created time.

    God can also get INTO our time too, BTW -- He can do anything.
     
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    i plainly labelled that a perspective, GG
    eternal does not mean forever, except from a perspective
    eons have endings, as do "eternities"

    "eternal" is an English term iow, not a Scriptural term, the way we define it now
    strictly an illusion based upon perception, as Einstein has proven.
    Time is a completely subjective thing, limited to humans, who are after all deceived
     
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